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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:57 am

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No no, it was shell shock then. Totally different thing.


Nope, just pure cowardice.


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Crime being caused by people being evil rather than societal factors and public policy is a conservative view right up until the perpetrator is a white male, it would seem.

Yes, if it's an Incel, it's more productive on a politics forum to discuss what circumstances create a person like that.

That the shooter was a male is already going to mean discussion of gender politics is relevant given the disparities in shooter genders and so on.

As a proud conservative Republican while I support gun rights, I support background checks and keeping guns away from mentally ill persons and criminals, but any person can snap and commit a crime with any kind of weapon including myself.

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Gun control will only mask the problems, though it might perhaps reduce impact and limit body count we shouldn't count on it, as explosives are always an option. Women don't go on as many killing sprees despite many owning guns, which suggests the cause is social and the situation of men driving them into these kind of actions, rather than access to guns itself.
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Postby The Isle of Beithe » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:09 am

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The Isle of Beithe wrote:I just listened to someone commenting on the Thousand Oaks shooting claim that soldiers during WWII (and by extension, earlier conflicts) didn't suffer PTSD. *face palm*


No no, it was shell shock then. Totally different thing.


And all you needed to cure a little shell shock was a good night's rest and a hardy breakfast of steak and eggs.

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:14 am

The Isle of Beithe wrote:
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No no, it was shell shock then. Totally different thing.


And all you needed to cure a little shell shock was a good night's rest and a hardy breakfast of steak and eggs.

Those were the days.


Or you just shot them for moral weakness.
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Postby Paplem » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:58 am

Scottish Socialists wrote:Thousand Oaks: Las Vegas shooting survivor among dead

A man who survived a mass shooting in Las Vegas last year was among those killed in Wednesday's attack in California, his family says.

Telemachus Orfanos, 27, died alongside 11 others when a man opened fire at the Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousand Oaks, north-west of Los Angeles.

He escaped death last year when a gunman killed 58 people in Las Vegas.
A number of survivors of that shooting, the worst in modern US history, have said they were at the bar on Wednesday.

"My son was in Las Vegas with a lot of his friends and he came home. He didn't come home last night," his mother told ABC News.

"It's particularly ironic that after surviving the worst mass shooting in modern history, he went on to be killed in his hometown," his father told the Ventura County Star.


A 27-year old who survived the Las Vegas shooting has been shot dead at the Thousand Oaks bar in California.

It’s gotten so much out of hand that a man who escaped one shooting has been shot dead in a shooting in his own hometown. There needs to be a lot done to reduce the amount of shootings.
What do you think about this incident, and what do you think should be done?


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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:27 am

Surprised nobody said he should have carried a gun after the first time.
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Potato wrote:
Scottish Socialists wrote:Thousand Oaks: Las Vegas shooting survivor among dead

A man who survived a mass shooting in Las Vegas last year was among those killed in Wednesday's attack in California, his family says.

Telemachus Orfanos, 27, died alongside 11 others when a man opened fire at the Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousand Oaks, north-west of Los Angeles.

He escaped death last year when a gunman killed 58 people in Las Vegas.
A number of survivors of that shooting, the worst in modern US history, have said they were at the bar on Wednesday.

"My son was in Las Vegas with a lot of his friends and he came home. He didn't come home last night," his mother told ABC News.

"It's particularly ironic that after surviving the worst mass shooting in modern history, he went on to be killed in his hometown," his father told the Ventura County Star.


A 27-year old who survived the Las Vegas shooting has been shot dead at the Thousand Oaks bar in California.

It’s gotten so much out of hand that a man who escaped one shooting has been shot dead in a shooting in his own hometown. There needs to be a lot done to reduce the amount of shootings.
What do you think about this incident, and what do you think should be done?

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Postby Saiwania » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:54 am

If they were truly paranoid, they could've invested in some body armor and wore it in public underneath any clothing. If someone is intent to shoot at me, I'd want to get killed only if they're skilled enough for a head shot. People who whine about how hot or uncomfortable body armor is, don't make the sacrifices to be safer or increase their survival chances.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:57 am

Saiwania wrote:If they were truly paranoid, they could've invested in some body armor and wore it in public underneath any clothing. If someone is intent to shoot at me, I'd want to get killed only if they're skilled enough for a head shot. People who whine about how hot or uncomfortable body armor is, don't make the sacrifices to be safer or increase their survival chances.

Body armor does nothing for head shots.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:01 am

Petrasylvania wrote:Body armor does nothing for head shots.


A center mass shot is more likely if the shooter doesn't have good aim. Anyways, level IV armor is allegedly under $300 these days. This is surprisingly cheap. A really nice deluxe laptop goes for way more.

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Postby Scomagia » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:03 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Saiwania wrote:If they were truly paranoid, they could've invested in some body armor and wore it in public underneath any clothing. If someone is intent to shoot at me, I'd want to get killed only if they're skilled enough for a head shot. People who whine about how hot or uncomfortable body armor is, don't make the sacrifices to be safer or increase their survival chances.

Body armor does nothing for head shots.

And anyone familiar with guns knows that you don't typically go for headshots, you aim for the center of mass because headshots are harder to accurately make. That's why hunters don't usually shoot deer in the face, for instance.
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Postby Valgora » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:07 am

Scomagia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Body armor does nothing for head shots.

And anyone familiar with guns knows that you don't typically go for headshots, you aim for the center of mass because headshots are harder to accurately make. That's why hunters don't usually shoot deer in the face, for instance.

Even if a person has body armor, one shouldn't aim for the head.

Instead, aim for around the groin area. A good hit there won't be instantly fatal, but it'll do the job and the person will likely bleed out if they don't receive medical care. More importantly, you're more likely to actually hit a person with the bullet if you aim there compared to aiming for the head.
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Scomagia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Body armor does nothing for head shots.

And anyone familiar with guns knows that you don't typically go for headshots, you aim for the center of mass because headshots are harder to accurately make. That's why hunters don't usually shoot deer in the face, for instance.


Also, because it would ruin the trophy.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:09 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Scomagia wrote:And anyone familiar with guns knows that you don't typically go for headshots, you aim for the center of mass because headshots are harder to accurately make. That's why hunters don't usually shoot deer in the face, for instance.


Also, because it would ruin the trophy.

Not necessarily.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:11 am

Scomagia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Body armor does nothing for head shots.

And anyone familiar with guns knows that you don't typically go for headshots, you aim for the center of mass because headshots are harder to accurately make. That's why hunters don't usually shoot deer in the face, for instance.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:11 am

Valgora wrote:
Scomagia wrote:And anyone familiar with guns knows that you don't typically go for headshots, you aim for the center of mass because headshots are harder to accurately make. That's why hunters don't usually shoot deer in the face, for instance.

Even if a person has body armor, one shouldn't aim for the head.

Instead, aim for around the groin area. A good hit there won't be instantly fatal, but it'll do the job and the person will likely bleed out if they don't receive medical care. More importantly, you're more likely to actually hit a person with the bullet if you aim there compared to aiming for the head.

First of all, if we have to all start walking around in body armor just so we don't do anything to people's boom sticks that's a fucked off set of priorities.

But to indulge this weird "how do we keep killing people if they wear vests" line of reasoning, seeing as vests don't turn you into superman and you still get the shit knocked out of you I imagine you just knock them down and then...


...you know what? This is fucking stupid. I can't finish it.
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Postby Valgora » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:13 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Valgora wrote:Even if a person has body armor, one shouldn't aim for the head.

Instead, aim for around the groin area. A good hit there won't be instantly fatal, but it'll do the job and the person will likely bleed out if they don't receive medical care. More importantly, you're more likely to actually hit a person with the bullet if you aim there compared to aiming for the head.

First of all, if we have to all start walking around in body armor just so we don't do anything to people's boom sticks that's a fucked off set of priorities.

But to indulge this weird "how do we keep killing people if they wear vests" line of reasoning, seeing as vests don't turn you into superman and you still get the shit knocked out of you I imagine you just knock them down and then...


...you know what? This is fucking stupid. I can't finish it.

I wasn't talking about how we should all start walking around in body armor.

And if someone is attacking you or whatever, knowing how to deal with them if they're wearing body armor is important.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:
Valgora wrote:Even if a person has body armor, one shouldn't aim for the head.

Instead, aim for around the groin area. A good hit there won't be instantly fatal, but it'll do the job and the person will likely bleed out if they don't receive medical care. More importantly, you're more likely to actually hit a person with the bullet if you aim there compared to aiming for the head.

First of all, if we have to all start walking around in body armor just so we don't do anything to people's boom sticks that's a fucked off set of priorities.

But to indulge this weird "how do we keep killing people if they wear vests" line of reasoning, seeing as vests don't turn you into superman and you still get the shit knocked out of you I imagine you just knock them down and then...


...you know what? This is fucking stupid. I can't finish it.

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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:42 am

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:57 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:Surprised nobody said he should have carried a gun after the first time.


Weird, maybe it's because it's onky YOU who keep trying to make that argument over and over again here on the forums?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also, this maybe should be merged inside the actual thread on the shooting, as this topic has already been briefly touched upon in it already.
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Postby Scomagia » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:10 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:Surprised nobody said he should have carried a gun after the first time.

Unsurprisingly, you're the one to mention it
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