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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:11 pm

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Loben wrote:You can take my gun rights away when i can take your right to be married away.


Sounds like a win-win to me.

So what have LGBTs done to you?
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:13 pm

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Costa Fierro wrote:
Sounds like a win-win to me.

So what have LGBTs done to you?


Nothing. Getting rid of marriage and having better gun regulations sounds like a great way to make society better.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:22 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:So what have LGBTs done to you?


Nothing. Getting rid of marriage and having better gun regulations sounds like a great way to make society better.

So sour grapes then?
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:25 pm

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Nothing. Getting rid of marriage and having better gun regulations sounds like a great way to make society better.

So sour grapes then?


Not sure what reducing gun violence had to do with sour grapes, but whatever floats your boat there.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:35 pm

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They're all afraid that they end up as mentally ill people *nods*


tbf, that is a concern, that the government could unilaterally define certain conditions or behaviors as mental illess and then strip a person of civil rights as a result is a very valid concern.


Indeed. In my own pollyanna view of the world, a shrink should be able to report a person who is a danger to themselves or others and that person should be disarmed until further notice. The problem is that could mostly would get corrupted really quick.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:46 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Indeed. In my own pollyanna view of the world, a shrink should be able to report a person who is a danger to themselves or others and that person should be disarmed until further notice. The problem is that could mostly would get corrupted really quick.


I don't think it would get corrupted but things would likely break down in the multilevel bureaucracy that's present in the US. Plus, any kind of restrictions in place would not affect those who have not been diagnosed or receiving treatment.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:57 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Sounds like a win-win to me.

So what have LGBTs done to you?


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Postby NS Miami Shores » Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:10 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:The shooter could have been motivated by something else, but if this one turns out to be an InCel as well the forum is going to enjoy reading how the shooter was the real victim and it was all the fault of feminazis that refused to put out on demand.


Crime being caused by people being evil rather than societal factors and public policy is a conservative view right up until the perpetrator is a white male, it would seem.

Yes, if it's an Incel, it's more productive on a politics forum to discuss what circumstances create a person like that.

That the shooter was a male is already going to mean discussion of gender politics is relevant given the disparities in shooter genders and so on.

As a proud conservative Republican while I support gun rights, I support background checks and keeping guns away from mentally ill persons and criminals, but any person can snap and commit a crime with any kind of weapon including myself.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:12 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:So sour grapes then?


Not sure what reducing gun violence had to do with sour grapes, but whatever floats your boat there.

The part about doing away with marriage, since it won't be an option for you.
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Postby NeoOasis » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:48 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:Republicans are going to dismiss Mass Shootings as Somebody Else's Problem until it hits them or their own.


Nah, they'll treat it seriously by talking about defending gun rights and reforming healthcare for mental health... maybe even take a swing at healthcare for vets.

2 weeks later it'll all blow over with something someone said leaving us back at square one till the next shooting...

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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:01 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:Republicans are going to dismiss Mass Shootings as Somebody Else's Problem until it hits them or their own.


Nah, they'll treat it seriously by talking about defending gun rights and reforming healthcare for mental health... maybe even take a swing at healthcare for vets.

2 weeks later it'll all blow over with something someone said leaving us back at square one till the next shooting...


Republicans will say all the right words, the Democrats will play politics and liberal media will focus on "toxic masculinity". Nothing will actually change.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:11 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:Republicans are going to dismiss Mass Shootings as Somebody Else's Problem until it hits them or their own.


Nah, they'll treat it seriously by talking about defending gun rights and reforming healthcare for mental health... maybe even take a swing at healthcare for vets.

2 weeks later it'll all blow over with something someone said leaving us back at square one till the next shooting...

You believe they want to improve mental healthcare at the same time they're dead set on slashing Medicare and Medicaid on top of repealing the AHCA?
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:35 pm

Saiwania wrote:I'm going to place my bet that the shooter is another Incel. The article did make mention that he drove his mother's car and this is the same state the "Supreme Gentleman" is from. This was perhaps, a rage filled low status dependent out for some Chads or Normies.

Former Marine. So I guess he is not an incel.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:41 pm

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Saiwania wrote:I'm going to place my bet that the shooter is another Incel. The article did make mention that he drove his mother's car and this is the same state the "Supreme Gentleman" is from. This was perhaps, a rage filled low status dependent out for some Chads or Normies.

Former Marine. So I guess he is not an incel.

This one probably isn't, but the Tallahassee shooter was ex Army and identified as InCel.
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Postby NeoOasis » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:14 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
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Nah, they'll treat it seriously by talking about defending gun rights and reforming healthcare for mental health... maybe even take a swing at healthcare for vets.

2 weeks later it'll all blow over with something someone said leaving us back at square one till the next shooting...

You believe they want to improve mental healthcare at the same time they're dead set on slashing Medicare and Medicaid on top of repealing the AHCA?


No, I believe they'll pay lip service to the alter of caring while very obviously not caring. After a couple of weeks they can go back to appearing apathetic after something else happens in the news.

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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:34 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:Former Marine. So I guess he is not an incel.

This one probably isn't, but the Tallahassee shooter was ex Army and identified as InCel.

a rare exception we almost certainly bro culture people the first year they are in.
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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:51 am

This was preventable, and the immense tragedy of this event is made even more tragic when it's obvious it was preventable. Not even because of gun control, nothing political of the sort. It was preventable because of the perpetrator's mental health, likely PTSD, that drove him to commit such a heinous act.

As a country - I'm ashamed that we haven't invested the resources we have into taking care of veterans with PTSD, with mental illness, or even with non-veterans with debilitating mental illness as well. America is great, make no mistake. But the culture of violence in our country, the wars we have gone in recently, the very way we treat those with mental illnesses, especially veterans....well, it's disgraceful.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:06 am

Major-Tom wrote:This was preventable, and the immense tragedy of this event is made even more tragic when it's obvious it was preventable. Not even because of gun control, nothing political of the sort. It was preventable because of the perpetrator's mental health, likely PTSD, that drove him to commit such a heinous act.

As a country - I'm ashamed that we haven't invested the resources we have into taking care of veterans with PTSD, with mental illness, or even with non-veterans with debilitating mental illness as well. America is great, make no mistake. But the culture of violence in our country, the wars we have gone in recently, the very way we treat those with mental illnesses, especially veterans....well, it's disgraceful.


You have to remember that the GOP establishment only cares about Veterans as far as they can use them as a stick to attack their opponents with.
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Bombadil wrote:Of the top 10 most killed mass shootings, 5 have happened in the last 3 years, including top 2.

Norway shooting not included nor any terror attacks in the middle East.
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Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Of the top 10 most killed mass shootings, 5 have happened in the last 3 years, including top 2.

Norway shooting not included nor any terror attacks in the middle East.


Which aren't really relevant when talking about gun violence in the USA.
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Thousand Oaks: Las Vegas shooting survivor among dead

A man who survived a mass shooting in Las Vegas last year was among those killed in Wednesday's attack in California, his family says.

Telemachus Orfanos, 27, died alongside 11 others when a man opened fire at the Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousand Oaks, north-west of Los Angeles.

He escaped death last year when a gunman killed 58 people in Las Vegas.
A number of survivors of that shooting, the worst in modern US history, have said they were at the bar on Wednesday.

"My son was in Las Vegas with a lot of his friends and he came home. He didn't come home last night," his mother told ABC News.

"It's particularly ironic that after surviving the worst mass shooting in modern history, he went on to be killed in his hometown," his father told the Ventura County Star.


A 27-year old who survived the Las Vegas shooting has been shot dead at the Thousand Oaks bar in California.

It’s gotten so much out of hand that a man who escaped one shooting has been shot dead in a shooting in his own hometown. There needs to be a lot done to reduce the amount of shootings.
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Scottish Socialists wrote:Thousand Oaks: Las Vegas shooting survivor among dead

A man who survived a mass shooting in Las Vegas last year was among those killed in Wednesday's attack in California, his family says.

Telemachus Orfanos, 27, died alongside 11 others when a man opened fire at the Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousand Oaks, north-west of Los Angeles.

He escaped death last year when a gunman killed 58 people in Las Vegas.
A number of survivors of that shooting, the worst in modern US history, have said they were at the bar on Wednesday.

"My son was in Las Vegas with a lot of his friends and he came home. He didn't come home last night," his mother told ABC News.

"It's particularly ironic that after surviving the worst mass shooting in modern history, he went on to be killed in his hometown," his father told the Ventura County Star.


A 27-year old who survived the Las Vegas shooting has been shot dead at the Thousand Oaks bar in California.

It’s gotten so much out of hand that a man who escaped one shooting has been shot dead in a shooting in his own hometown. There needs to be a lot done to reduce the amount of shootings.
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Postby The Isle of Beithe » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:34 am

I just listened to someone commenting on the Thousand Oaks shooting claim that soldiers during WWII (and by extension, earlier conflicts) didn't suffer PTSD. *face palm*
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:36 am

The Isle of Beithe wrote:I just listened to someone commenting on the Thousand Oaks shooting claim that soldiers during WWII (and by extension, earlier conflicts) didn't suffer PTSD. *face palm*


No no, it was shell shock then. Totally different thing.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:53 am

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The Isle of Beithe wrote:I just listened to someone commenting on the Thousand Oaks shooting claim that soldiers during WWII (and by extension, earlier conflicts) didn't suffer PTSD. *face palm*


No no, it was shell shock then. Totally different thing.


Nope, just pure cowardice.

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