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[Len Hyet]

It's better to give actual possible solutions rather than resorting to just taking away the rights of millions of Americans.

Or the government should be more proactive in finding these lunatics, as well as not handing out assault rifles like candy.

The government is giving out assault rifles?!

Don't take them! It's a trap! The ATF is just going to kill your dog for owning an unregistered machinegun! It's a trap!

[Kernen]

It's better to give actual possible solutions rather than resorting to just taking away the rights of millions of Americans.

Or the government should be more proactive in finding these lunatics, as well as not handing out assault rifles like candy.

I wish I lived somewhere where the government handed them out to civilians at all, let alone like candy.

[Telconi]

It's better to give actual possible solutions rather than resorting to just taking away the rights of millions of Americans.

Or the government should be more proactive in finding these lunatics, as well as not handing out assault rifles like candy.

You mean start handing them out right?

[Len Hyet]

See this is what Gauth does. He drive by posts sarcasm and flame baiting, and then when people call him out or ask him to defend his position he up and leaves to repeat it again in a day or so.

[Paddy O Fernature]

See this is what Gauth does. He drive by posts sarcasm and flame baiting, and then when people call him out or ask him to defend his position he up and leaves to repeat it again in a day or so.

That being said, sounds like a solid blueprint for those who can't actually debate. Makes it much easier for the rest of us to spot, not that any extra help was needed though.

Or the government should be more proactive in finding these lunatics, as well as not handing out assault rifles like candy.

The government is giving out assault rifles?!

Don't take them! It's a trap! The ATF is just going to kill your dog for owning an unregistered machinegun! It's a trap!

It's better to give actual possible solutions rather than resorting to just taking away the rights of millions of Americans.

Or the government should be more proactive in finding these lunatics, as well as not handing out assault rifles like candy.

Define "assault rifle".

Also, do you have a link for this government giveaway? I certainly would LOVE to see it...

[Gun Manufacturers]

It's better to give actual possible solutions rather than resorting to just taking away the rights of millions of Americans.

Or the government should be more proactive in finding these lunatics, as well as not handing out assault rifles like candy.

Where does this occur? Where is the government giving away full auto/select fire weapons?

[Gun Manufacturers]

Or the government should be more proactive in finding these lunatics, as well as not handing out assault rifles like candy.

The government is giving out assault rifles?!

Don't take them! It's a trap! The ATF is just going to kill your dog for owning an unregistered machinegun! It's a trap!

Joke's on them, I don't have a dog.

[Fartsniffage]

The government is giving out assault rifles?!

Don't take them! It's a trap! The ATF is just going to kill your dog for owning an unregistered machinegun! It's a trap!

Joke's on them, I don't have a dog.

Shame...

[Big Jim P]

That would have certainly driven me there if I hadn't already been there for a long time.

Don't forget the "gunshow loophole" fiasco.

That's one of the ones that drove me to the point of no more compromise.

[Puldania]

Sooner or later, people are going to realize that mental health issues are a worthwhile investment to tackle. I just wonder how many people are going to die as a result before people wake up and stop blaming the NRA/Gun Owners.

Sadly, I often question if the problem is less the availability* of mental healthcare resources and more the stigma regarding mental illness that prevents many from actually seeking help -- or if offered, accepting it.


* There are plenty of resources out there, though obviously quality and accessibility are an issue, in some localities more than others.

This. This so much. I'm in a FREE program that provides a life coach, therapist, and also offers job skills classes, resume classes, tutoring, childcare for young parents, and so much more. People have plenty of options, and this is Florida, imagine what proper states have that people just ignore.

[Puldania]

Universal Armament would be fine if everyone was responsible. Of course, that's too much to ask for in America.

[Crysuko]

Universal Armament would be fine if everyone was responsible. Of course, that's too much to ask for in America.

Universal armament in America would be a bloodbath, if you think gun crime and mass shootings are a problem now then that would catalyse is tenfold.

[Big Jim P]

Universal Armament would be fine if everyone was responsible. Of course, that's too much to ask for in America.

Forcing people to arm themselves against their will would be just as bad as restricting our inherent right to bear arms.

[Puldania]

Universal Armament would be fine if everyone was responsible. Of course, that's too much to ask for in America.

Universal armament in America would be a bloodbath, if you think gun crime and mass shootings are a problem now then that would catalyse is tenfold.

Exactly. America is just a fucked up country, plain and simple.

[Puldania]

Universal Armament would be fine if everyone was responsible. Of course, that's too much to ask for in America.

Forcing people to arm themselves against their will would be just as bad as restricting our inherent right to bear arms.

You can't really force someone to use a gun though.

[Big Jim P]

Forcing people to arm themselves against their will would be just as bad as restricting our inherent right to bear arms.

You can't really force someone to use a gun though.

Universal Armament implies that people would be forced to buy guns against their will. Of course you are right in that they might not use them, but no one should be forced to buy something they do not want or might have moral objections to owning.

[Mardla]

Universal Armament would be fine if everyone was responsible. Of course, that's too much to ask for in America.

The state with the loosest gun laws in the Union is Vermont.

Vermont has some of the least restrictive gun control laws in the country. A permit or license is not required for purchasing or carrying firearms. concealed carry and open carry of a firearm is legal over the age of 16, with those below 16 requiring parental permission.[293][294][295][296]

The state is actually very safe.

In 2007, Vermont was ranked among the best five states in the country for preventing "premature death" in people under 75 years of age. The rate of survival was twice that of the five lowest performing states.[297]

In 2007, Vermont was ranked the third safest state for highway fatalities.[298] In 2007, a third of fatal crashes involved a drunken driver.[299] In 2008, Vermont was the fifth best state for fewest uninsured motorists – 6%.[300]

[The Empire of Pretantia]

It is at that, too. It also doesn't involve government deprivation of rights.

So people need to assume that angry coworkers are carrying guns and have to be armed as well. Draw Fast Or Die Faster.

Sorry for having more faith in the average American than you do.

[Chan Island]

Universal Armament would be fine if everyone was responsible. Of course, that's too much to ask for in America.

The state with the loosest gun laws in the Union is Vermont.

Vermont has some of the least restrictive gun control laws in the country. A permit or license is not required for purchasing or carrying firearms. concealed carry and open carry of a firearm is legal over the age of 16, with those below 16 requiring parental permission.[293][294][295][296]

The state is actually very safe.

In 2007, Vermont was ranked among the best five states in the country for preventing "premature death" in people under 75 years of age. The rate of survival was twice that of the five lowest performing states.[297]

In 2007, Vermont was ranked the third safest state for highway fatalities.[298] In 2007, a third of fatal crashes involved a drunken driver.[299] In 2008, Vermont was the fifth best state for fewest uninsured motorists – 6%.[300]

Um... your quote is discussing traffic related causes of death...?

It's not that I don't believe you, but what I'm getting from that is that Vermont has very loose gun laws, and is very safe because you're unlikely to be involved in a car crash with a drunk driver.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It's also worth noting Vermont no longer has the loosest gun laws in the nation. Despite having abysmally low gun crime they got the whole package of gun control passed recently, which is another reason added to the list of why we won't fucking compromise.

[Mardla]

The state with the loosest gun laws in the Union is Vermont.



The state is actually very safe.

Um... your quote is discussing traffic related causes of death...?

It's not that I don't believe you, but what I'm getting from that is that Vermont has very loose gun laws, and is very safe because you're unlikely to be involved in a car crash with a drunk driver.

I felt it was fair to throw in the low rank of fatalities on the highway because low gun control really doesn't account for those. However the point is that low gun control didn't cause any violent epidemic.

[Kernen]

Universal Armament would be fine if everyone was responsible. Of course, that's too much to ask for in America.

The state with the loosest gun laws in the Union is Vermont.

Vermont has some of the least restrictive gun control laws in the country. A permit or license is not required for purchasing or carrying firearms. concealed carry and open carry of a firearm is legal over the age of 16, with those below 16 requiring parental permission.[293][294][295][296]

The state is actually very safe.

In 2007, Vermont was ranked among the best five states in the country for preventing "premature death" in people under 75 years of age. The rate of survival was twice that of the five lowest performing states.[297]

In 2007, Vermont was ranked the third safest state for highway fatalities.[298] In 2007, a third of fatal crashes involved a drunken driver.[299] In 2008, Vermont was the fifth best state for fewest uninsured motorists – 6%.[300]

Vermont just raised the age to purchase firearms to 21 and banned high capacity magazines. You've got outdated data. New Hampshire and either New Mexico or Arizona now hold the vaunted "loosest gun laws" title.

[Scomagia]

Don't forget the "gunshow loophole" fiasco.

That's one of the ones that drove me to the point of no more compromise.

One for me was when I learned I couldn't buy my wife a gun for Christmas because of clunky straw purchase laws. Also the bullshit ATF questions about drug use you have to answer to buy a gun. Total nonsense that requires drug users to either lie on a federal form or be honest and not get a gun.

[The Black Forrest]

Yes because I should care what Rapey McLikesbeer thinks.....

You should, since his vote tilts the legal landscape in our favor. Regardless of your opinion of his character, his office and beliefs places the pro-gun crowd in a pretty good place.

There is the problem. A judge should "tilt the legal landscape"

As I mentioned I didn't like Scalia and thought he was wrong at times. I think he would give a fair evaluation on things.

Kav? I think he has already decided before the arguments have started.

[The Black Forrest]

That would have certainly driven me there if I hadn't already been there for a long time.

Don't forget the "gunshow loophole" fiasco.

Since I don't follow the gun world; what are these two?