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Postby Len Hyet » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:47 am

San Lumen wrote:Id like to hope something will change now that the House has changed hands but I doubt it will as the Senate will do nothing because their new members are financed by the gun lobby and NRA.

So you're cool with people saying that the House is only pro-choice because they're funded by Planned Parenthood right?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:48 am

San Lumen wrote:Id like to hope something will change now that the House has changed hands but I doubt it will as the Senate will do nothing because their new members are financed by the gun lobby and NRA.


Also, ya know, their constituents are opposed to gun control.

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Postby Loben » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:52 am

San Lumen wrote:Id like to hope something will change now that the House has changed hands but I doubt it will as the Senate will do nothing because their new members are financed by the gun lobby and NRA.

You can take my gun rights away when i can take your right to be married away.

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Postby Nakena » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:55 am

Loben wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Id like to hope something will change now that the House has changed hands but I doubt it will as the Senate will do nothing because their new members are financed by the gun lobby and NRA.

You can take my gun rights away when i can take your right to be married away.


Thats a bad deal.
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Postby The Isle of Beithe » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:56 am

San Lumen wrote:Id like to hope something will change now that the House has changed hands but I doubt it will as the Senate will do nothing because their new members are financed by the gun lobby and NRA.


Well, that's the easy explanation. You can blame the legislature and the NRA, but who gave them their power? The real issue is cultural.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:59 am

San Lumen wrote:Id like to hope something will change now that the House has changed hands but I doubt it will as the Senate will do nothing because their new members are financed by the gun lobby and NRA.


They can't vote away murder.
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Postby Uxupox » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:00 am

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Florida Man was former Army. Military didn't want people getting psychiatric help.


Absolute pile of horse manure you are driving there buddy. Where are you selling?
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Postby Nakena » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:01 am

Media cycle is fuelling this stuff because it keeps creating copy-cats.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:06 am

Nakena wrote:Media cycle is fuelling this stuff because it keeps creating copy-cats.

So...what solution do you propose? Be careful though, if your solution includes the word "censorship" or related synonyms, then no.
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:12 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Nakena wrote:Media cycle is fuelling this stuff because it keeps creating copy-cats.

So...what solution do you propose? Be careful though, if your solution includes the word "censorship" or related synonyms, then no.


Honestly, just report the facts. No exciting shots of ambulances, no desprate speculation of motive, no dodgy mugshots or interviews with panicked survivors just the basic, unsensationalised facts.

Something like:

At 11pm today a man opened fire in x, killing however many and wounding however many others.
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Postby Straite » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:12 am

I'm afraid this issue isn't so simple as to start finger pointing to single specifics.

Mental health is an issue, and people with mental health problems acquiring guns is an issue.

If only the political climate wasn't so incredibly polarized to the point where it hinders the proper addressal of tackling problems such as this one. Hell, you could even go so far as to say another factor for these violent acts... Is the current state of the American culture & the lack of fellowship between our citizens.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:13 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Id like to hope something will change now that the House has changed hands but I doubt it will as the Senate will do nothing because their new members are financed by the gun lobby and NRA.


Also, ya know, their constituents are opposed to gun control.

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:23 am

Straite wrote:Mental health is an issue, and people with mental health problems acquiring guns is an issue.


If the argument is that arms are a right guaranteed by the Constitution, than it would be discriminatory to prevent people from exercising their rights due to mental illness.

The problem is largely healthcare and stigma. The US does not have easy and affordable access to healthcare in most cases so a lot of mental illness goes undiagnosed or untreated. Even if it were diagnosed, the stigma against it (which, again, these kinds of debates perpetuate instead of alleviate) usually prevents people from accepting treatment because a mental illness is seen as something to be ashamed of and denied.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:26 am

So I've heard this is the biggest shooting in..... 11 days.

Not years, not even months.

Days.

Like, you have less chance to be murdered by a Muslim extremist. One of "your own" will shoot ya first.
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Postby Nakena » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:26 am

Caracasus wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:So...what solution do you propose? Be careful though, if your solution includes the word "censorship" or related synonyms, then no.


Honestly, just report the facts. No exciting shots of ambulances, no desprate speculation of motive, no dodgy mugshots or interviews with panicked survivors just the basic, unsensationalised facts.

Something like:

At 11pm today a man opened fire in x, killing however many and wounding however many others.


This.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:28 am

Caracasus wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:So...what solution do you propose? Be careful though, if your solution includes the word "censorship" or related synonyms, then no.


Honestly, just report the facts. No exciting shots of ambulances, no desprate speculation of motive, no dodgy mugshots or interviews with panicked survivors just the basic, unsensationalised facts.

Something like:

At 11pm today a man opened fire in x, killing however many and wounding however many others.
make it a part of the weather, it is just as regular as that.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:36 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Id like to hope something will change now that the House has changed hands but I doubt it will as the Senate will do nothing because their new members are financed by the gun lobby and NRA.


Also, ya know, their constituents are opposed to gun control.

not any form of it.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:36 am

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Also, ya know, their constituents are opposed to gun control.

not any form of it.


But most certainly the kinds your party pushes.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:37 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Id like to hope something will change now that the House has changed hands but I doubt it will as the Senate will do nothing because their new members are financed by the gun lobby and NRA.


They can't vote away murder.

Tell me then why doesn't this happen in any other country in the world on a regular basis? On that's right they had mass shootings and then they banned most firearms like sensible people would do.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:38 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Honestly, just report the facts. No exciting shots of ambulances, no desprate speculation of motive, no dodgy mugshots or interviews with panicked survivors just the basic, unsensationalised facts.

Something like:

At 11pm today a man opened fire in x, killing however many and wounding however many others.
make it a part of the weather, it is just as regular as that.

America, the land that has so many school shootings we tried to make bulletproof backpacks a thing
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:39 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:make it a part of the weather, it is just as regular as that.

America, the land that has so many school shootings we tried to make bulletproof backpacks a thing

And the only country in the world were mass shootings happen on a regular basis. Ive accepted at this point its never going to change. Maybe when my generation finally takes power it will.

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Postby Nakena » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:41 am

San Lumen wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:America, the land that has so many school shootings we tried to make bulletproof backpacks a thing

And the only country in the world were mass shootings happen on a regular basis. Ive accepted at this point its never going to change. Maybe when my generation finally takes power it will.


The boomers thought the same, and see what they have done!
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:42 am

San Lumen wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:America, the land that has so many school shootings we tried to make bulletproof backpacks a thing

And the only country in the world were mass shootings happen on a regular basis. Ive accepted at this point its never going to change. Maybe when my generation finally takes power it will.

Nah it’s just the way it works here
We can’t enact gun control because second amendment
We can’t give wide mental health care because socialism
The American way is for us all to just accept we could all be murdered by a psychopath any time we step into the public
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Postby Nakena » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:43 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And the only country in the world were mass shootings happen on a regular basis. Ive accepted at this point its never going to change. Maybe when my generation finally takes power it will.

Nah it’s just the way it works here
We can’t enact gun control because second amendment
We can’t give wide mental health care because socialism
The American way is for us all to just accept we could all be murdered by a psychopath any time we step into the public


Best post. Maybe theres a few things to add to that list?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:44 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And the only country in the world were mass shootings happen on a regular basis. Ive accepted at this point its never going to change. Maybe when my generation finally takes power it will.

Nah it’s just the way it works here
We can’t enact gun control because second amendment
We can’t give wide mental health care because socialism
The American way is for us all to just accept we could all be murdered by a psychopath any time we step into the public


Maybe when a elected official suffers a personal tragedy in a mass shooting then something will change. To be clear I do not want that to occur but even if it did I doubt anything would change then either.

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