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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:24 am

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Idk know its just really crazy i thought it was just people injured. Nope 12 dead during a students night. Some survivors say they were in Vegas during the shooting there as well.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:52 am

I'm going to place my bet that the shooter is another Incel. The article did make mention that he drove his mother's car and this is the same state the "Supreme Gentleman" is from. This was perhaps, a rage filled low status dependent out for some Chads or Normies.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:16 am

The shooter could have been motivated by something else, but if this one turns out to be an InCel as well the forum is going to enjoy reading how the shooter was the real victim and it was all the fault of feminazis that refused to put out on demand.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:25 am

Petrasylvania wrote:The shooter could have been motivated by something else, but if this one turns out to be an InCel as well the forum is going to enjoy reading how the shooter was the real victim and it was all the fault of feminazis that refused to put out on demand.


Crime being caused by people being evil rather than societal factors and public policy is a conservative view right up until the perpetrator is a white male, it would seem.

Yes, if it's an Incel, it's more productive on a politics forum to discuss what circumstances create a person like that.

That the shooter was a male is already going to mean discussion of gender politics is relevant given the disparities in shooter genders and so on.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:28 am

Petrasylvania wrote:The shooter could have been motivated by something else, but if this one turns out to be an InCel as well the forum is going to enjoy reading how the shooter was the real victim and it was all the fault of feminazis that refused to put out on demand.


:roll:

That being said, sad to hear about this. The comment's/rumors that some were in Vegas as well is even sadder. Hopefully the death toll wont go any higher then it already is.

Will wait for more information to become available about motivation behind this senseless act before diving into the deep end and looking like an emotionless zombie utterly lacking in any form of empathy or other basic human emotions.

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Postby Nakena » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:30 am

Is it just me or has the frequency of shootings increased over the past three years?

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:34 am

Nakena wrote:Is it just me or has the frequency of shootings increased over the past three years?


Actually, If I remembers WRA's (or was it BJP?) source posted in another thread correctly, the frequency is actually equal or less then in the past and has been going down with the overall violent crime rate in the US for the last decade or so. However, the 24/7 news coverage of everything bloody is at an all time high to make up for it to at least make it seem that way.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:50 am

Nakena wrote:Is it just me or has the frequency of shootings increased over the past three years?


It certainly seems like it. Just in 2018 there's been over 12,000 killed in homicide shootings (before anyone jumps on me, that number doesn't include the 22,000 suicides).
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:51 am

Violent crime has ticked up since 2016 after about a 20 year decline, most people I know attribute it to the renewed drug trade ie opium but ymmv on the exact cause.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:53 am

Nakena wrote:Is it just me or has the frequency of shootings increased over the past three years?


Iirc spree shootings/acts of lone wolf terror are actually down dramatically since the 70s/80s, but news coverage.

Though I recall some research on them ticking back up very recently, like last year or so.
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Postby The Commonwealth of Tennessee » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:55 am

Just started reading about this, got a notification at 3am this morning but was too tired to read it.

Such an awful tragedy to happen this time of year. Do we know anything about the shooter yet?
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:56 am

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:57 am

The Commonwealth of Tennessee wrote:Just started reading about this, got a notification at 3am this morning but was too tired to read it.

Such an awful tragedy to happen this time of year. Do we know anything about the shooter yet?


An unnamed law enforcement official who did not wish to be named told the LA Times that the shooter is a 29-year-old man who drove his mother's car to the crime scene, and said nothing before opening fire.

Police say they recovered a handgun inside the bar and found the suspect dead inside.

They believe he may have taken his own life but have not confirmed this.


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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:58 am

Bombadil wrote:Thoughts and prayers..

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Postby Page » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:58 am

I saw this early in the morning when there were only reports of injuries, but I had a feeling this would be another bad one.
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Postby Page » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:03 am

Nakena wrote:Is it just me or has the frequency of shootings increased over the past three years?


I think it actually has, or if not the frequency of shootings, at least the amount of casualties per mass shootings. It's gotten to the point where when a month or so passes, I'll actually think "we're due for another shooting soon" and I'll wonder when and where it will be.

I don't think it's that these shootings are reported more than before either, because these things always make headlines. If one or two people are shot in a family dispute or a gang incident then it might get buried, but whenever there's a case of someone targeting civilians at random for the sake of committing a massacre, we find out about it. Nowadays it seems like the headlines don't even stick around for long. Kill 4 people and it won't even be talked about for a day, kill 12 and you get two days tops. The bigger the bodycount, the longer it stays in the news.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:05 am

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Nakena wrote:Is it just me or has the frequency of shootings increased over the past three years?


I think it actually has, or if not the frequency of shootings, at least the amount of casualties per mass shootings. It's gotten to the point where when a month or so passes, I'll actually think "we're due for another shooting soon" and I'll wonder when and where it will be.

I don't think it's that these shootings are reported more than before either, because these things always make headlines. If one or two people are shot in a family dispute or a gang incident then it might get buried, but whenever there's a case of someone targeting civilians at random for the sake of committing a massacre, we find out about it. Nowadays it seems like the headlines don't even stick around for long. Kill 4 people and it won't even be talked about for a day, kill 12 and you get two days tops. The bigger the bodycount, the longer it stays in the news.


Chicago has some absolutely horrible body counts on an average weekend, and you never hear about it.

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Postby The Commonwealth of Tennessee » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:06 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Commonwealth of Tennessee wrote:Just started reading about this, got a notification at 3am this morning but was too tired to read it.

Such an awful tragedy to happen this time of year. Do we know anything about the shooter yet?


An unnamed law enforcement official who did not wish to be named told the LA Times that the shooter is a 29-year-old man who drove his mother's car to the crime scene, and said nothing before opening fire.

Police say they recovered a handgun inside the bar and found the suspect dead inside.

They believe he may have taken his own life but have not confirmed this.


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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:06 am

Suspect was a former marine apparently.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:09 am

I imagine it’s much the same as most other bad news. Whilst we’re actually more safe these days than ever before, the volume of bees reporting on he bad news that is happening makes it appear otherwise.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:09 am

Of the top 10 most killed mass shootings, 5 have happened in the last 3 years, including top 2.
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Postby The Commonwealth of Tennessee » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:09 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Suspect was a former marine apparently.

If that's true, this could potentially be the result of some underlying mental illness?
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Petrasylvania wrote:The shooter could have been motivated by something else, but if this one turns out to be an InCel as well the forum is going to enjoy reading how the shooter was the real victim and it was all the fault of feminazis that refused to put out on demand.


:roll:

That being said, sad to hear about this. The comment's/rumors that some were in Vegas as well is even sadder. Hopefully the death toll wont go any higher then it already is.

Will wait for more information to become available about motivation behind this senseless act before diving into the deep end and looking like an emotionless zombie utterly lacking in any form of empathy or other basic human emotions.


In no way do I want my words to be twisted as sympathizing with mass murderers, because I am not in any way, but I don't think they're typically without emotion. I read this article a few months back, if I find it I'll link to it. The subject was rethinking "the banality of evil." The author made the argument that we typically think of people who commit atrocities as dehumanizing their victims, turning them into objects, but maybe we're wrong about that. It might be that rather than denying in the humanity of their victims, that mass murderers revel in it. That they are acutely aware of the fact that they are taking lives, snuffing out people with their own identities and feelings. The author referred to Kristallnacht in Nazi Germany, how the nazis humiliated the Jews further by forcing them to clean up the damage at gunpoint, and how such an act doesn't really make sense if they're thinking of them as less than human. Such an act only makes sense if one thinks of their victims as humans. Degradation isn't satisfying if you're degrading an animal or an automaton.

Perhaps these killers are not numb to empathy but rather aware of the pain they cause, they enjoy it. And there are big implications there, for how we think of "evil", how we think of human psychology.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:14 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Suspect was a former marine apparently.

Florida Man was former Army. Military didn't want people getting psychiatric help.
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:31 am

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Nakena wrote:Is it just me or has the frequency of shootings increased over the past three years?


Iirc spree shootings/acts of lone wolf terror are actually down dramatically since the 70s/80s, but news coverage.

Though I recall some research on them ticking back up very recently, like last year or so.


They've increased since 2011 apparently, and there's an increase in the number of fatalities.

Gun violence as a whole is down, but mass shootings seem to have bucked the trend. One of the problems with the fact that on average, there are fewer incidents of violence is that it can lead people to ignore specific incidents where that trend isn't the case or has actually increased - as in the case of mass shootings.
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