The Reconciliation Thread

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I like some of the economic policies and big gov of the Left-Wing of the Democrats and the social, military and protectionist policies of the hard Right of the Republicans
Both parties are gay though

I mean, one party attempts to find the most convulated reasons to accuse the gays of somehow being the source of all ill in the world, and the other party uses them as tokens and feel-good cards and spits them out the second they begin to go against their narrative.

So yeah, not exactly great.

[Auzkhia]

I like some of the economic policies and big gov of the Left-Wing of the Democrats and the social, military and protectionist policies of the hard Right of the Republicans
Both parties are gay though

I mean, one party attempts to find the most convulated reasons to accuse the gays of somehow being the source of all ill in the world, and the other party uses them as tokens and feel-good cards and spits them out the second they begin to go against their narrative.

So yeah, not exactly great.

You are right, but It's because LGBTQ+ liberation can't really happen under capitalism, because the discrimination of minorities came with economic effects. All other things being equal, a queer person had a harder time than a cisgender and straight person, due to homophobia in the workplace which meant that they can't be open in work lest their homophobic boss fires them, and during the AIDS crisis, doctors could refuse to treat gay patients, and they did. Poor health and poverty.

Democrats may make promises of equality and freedom to minorities, but they do it through reform of the system which has allowed and perpetuated inequality and discrimination. Republicans don't care, obviously, in fact the official position in the party is but the social conservative Evangelical Christian position that excludes gender and sexuality minorities from free society, which then casts them as sinners, and in a political sense, someone not worthy of legal protection and recognition.

This is a common left-wing critique of liberals, and by extension the US democratic party.

[Diopolis]

I vote to keep Texas red but do support libertarian/constitutionalist candidates for some local(nothing higher than state level) background races if I don't happen to have an ideal republican, especially when a reasonable person can't say that a democrat might win.
What do I think is good about democrats? I like that some of them can be genuine economic populists and I tend to be generally pro-union. I might vote for a pro-life democrat(and I think democrats in general don't realize how that issue in particular hurts them in red states, but that's another discussion) if they were at least neutral on SSM and sufficiently protectionist. I'm pro-official bilingualist on the state level.
Of course given that I'm an anti-capitalist corporatist with hypertraditionalist social leanings and a mild allergy to democracy, neither party is ever going to represent me and I know that. The constitutionalists are the least bad of the five relevant(can win an election or draw enough votes to swing one) American parties.

[Diopolis]

I voted almost straight Dem and I'm a registered Dem, but I can usually see where any normal Joe or Mike is coming from when they say they vote GOP. They have different values politically, that's fine.

I tend to disagree with my party when it comes to "identity politics." I think, too often, we play into the narrative that attaching a label to someone makes them intrinsically more special. I support some gun control, but not an assault weapons ban like many in my party do, nor do I support NY state styles of regulations when it comes to ammo, etc (I'm a Dem who owns and likes my guns, so I fall between both parties when it comes to my views on gun control.)

I'm sympathetic to the pro-life movement, and am strongly, strongly saddened by abortions but I also don't think the government has the capabilities or capacities to intervene, abortion rights are here and should not try to be repealed.

When it comes to political figures I dislike, Trump comes to mind. I really hate his Presidency so far, but I will agree with him on trade in full, as a protectionist myself.

Those are the concessions I'm willing to offer, I'd say. I'm a pretty strong Democrat and very involved in the party, but I think I can make those concessions pretty honestly.

Edit: Caveat, I voted almost straight Dem, the non Dem votes were for a Green candidate, a write-in, and a lone Republican for City Council.

Wait, did I find an actual moderate democrat? I thought they were a myth.

[Major-Tom]

I voted almost straight Dem and I'm a registered Dem, but I can usually see where any normal Joe or Mike is coming from when they say they vote GOP. They have different values politically, that's fine.

I tend to disagree with my party when it comes to "identity politics." I think, too often, we play into the narrative that attaching a label to someone makes them intrinsically more special. I support some gun control, but not an assault weapons ban like many in my party do, nor do I support NY state styles of regulations when it comes to ammo, etc (I'm a Dem who owns and likes my guns, so I fall between both parties when it comes to my views on gun control.)

I'm sympathetic to the pro-life movement, and am strongly, strongly saddened by abortions but I also don't think the government has the capabilities or capacities to intervene, abortion rights are here and should not try to be repealed.

When it comes to political figures I dislike, Trump comes to mind. I really hate his Presidency so far, but I will agree with him on trade in full, as a protectionist myself.

Those are the concessions I'm willing to offer, I'd say. I'm a pretty strong Democrat and very involved in the party, but I think I can make those concessions pretty honestly.

Edit: Caveat, I voted almost straight Dem, the non Dem votes were for a Green candidate, a write-in, and a lone Republican for City Council.

Wait, did I find an actual moderate democrat? I thought they were a myth.

I consider myself fairly left-Wing, mostly because of my stances on single-payer, the minimum wage & unions. Interesting to hear I sound moderate, probably because I was just offering up the positions I’m more “moderate on” so to speak.

[Diopolis]

Wait, did I find an actual moderate democrat? I thought they were a myth.

I consider myself fairly left-Wing, mostly because of my stances on single-payer, the minimum wage & unions. Interesting to hear I sound moderate, probably because I was just offering up the positions I’m more “moderate on” so to speak.

Single payer is usually an oddball/populist stance rather than a left wing one, it seems- most establishment dems, including left wing ones, oppose it.
Minimum wage almost everyone wants to raise except actual republicans, and even some of those.
Unions it varies based on part of the country.
Honestly you sound more or less like a democrat that could win in a red state- sympathies to the pro-life movement(where establishment democrats tend to describe as being the literal devil) and a moderate stance on guns could go over well in certain suburban areas.

[Major-Tom]

I consider myself fairly left-Wing, mostly because of my stances on single-payer, the minimum wage & unions. Interesting to hear I sound moderate, probably because I was just offering up the positions I’m more “moderate on” so to speak.

Single payer is usually an oddball/populist stance rather than a left wing one, it seems- most establishment dems, including left wing ones, oppose it.
Minimum wage almost everyone wants to raise except actual republicans, and even some of those.
Unions it varies based on part of the country.
Honestly you sound more or less like a democrat that could win in a red state- sympathies to the pro-life movement(where establishment democrats tend to describe as being the literal devil) and a moderate stance on guns could go over well in certain suburban areas.

I suppose I’ll have to start a PAC and get some donors, then.

[Diopolis]

Single payer is usually an oddball/populist stance rather than a left wing one, it seems- most establishment dems, including left wing ones, oppose it.
Minimum wage almost everyone wants to raise except actual republicans, and even some of those.
Unions it varies based on part of the country.
Honestly you sound more or less like a democrat that could win in a red state- sympathies to the pro-life movement(where establishment democrats tend to describe as being the literal devil) and a moderate stance on guns could go over well in certain suburban areas.

I suppose I’ll have to start a PAC and get some donors, then.

If your local democrat party has common sense, that is. In Texas they run local left wingers instead of the kind of moderate democrats that could potentially win a statewide election. I mean, seriously, you want Wendy Davis to try to beat the sitting republican governor of a red state, who won by having strong evangelical support?

[Valrifell]

How do you not understand what a majority in Congress means.

I don't follow.

Dems can obstruct exactly jack shit without a majority in the House or Senate and they got a majority in the former just recently but with none of them serving 'til January.

Ergo, Dems have done precisely zero obstruction.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Daily reminder you can literally push pretty much any views as the proper policies of your party and people will buy it

[Sovaal]

I think both the Dems and Repubs have their fair share of good and bad ideas.

[Benuty]

Daily reminder you can literally push pretty much any views as the proper policies of your party and people will buy it

That has to do more with the fact the more fringe political ideologies kind of have to push their way into the mainstream parties or else they won't survive on the national landscape.

[Valrifell]

I think both the Dems and Repubs have their fair share of good and bad ideas.

Name 'em

[Hammer Britannia]

What I like about the other two parties is that it reminds me how easily swayed the American people are...

It reminds me that my world domination plan is still possible

[Washington Resistance Army]

I think both the Dems and Repubs have their fair share of good and bad ideas.

Name 'em

Dems:
Environmental stuff
Healthcare ideas (even if most of the current proposals suck it's still a step in the right direction)
Not letting religious people dictate policy

Reps:
Guns
Judicial nominees
Sticking it to the red menace
Not letting out of touch dumbasses dictate policy

Then you have things that parts of both sides are starting to embrace that are nice ie protectionism.

[Genivaria]

Looking at the party platform of the GOP the only thing I think isn't cringe-worthy would be their stance on guns honestly.
Their foreign policy section on Wikipedia says

The 2012 Republican Party platform opposes the Obama administration from attempting to impose what it considers a "cultural agenda", including a "homosexual rights agenda" in other countries by restricting foreign aid.[86] However, Republicans themselves have also frequently advocated for restricting foreign aid as a means of asserting the national security and immigration interests of the United States.[91][92][93]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... oreign_aid
Cringy.

[Genivaria]

I voted almost straight Dem and I'm a registered Dem, but I can usually see where any normal Joe or Mike is coming from when they say they vote GOP. They have different values politically, that's fine.

I tend to disagree with my party when it comes to "identity politics." I think, too often, we play into the narrative that attaching a label to someone makes them intrinsically more special. I support some gun control, but not an assault weapons ban like many in my party do, nor do I support NY state styles of regulations when it comes to ammo, etc (I'm a Dem who owns and likes my guns, so I fall between both parties when it comes to my views on gun control.)

I'm sympathetic to the pro-life movement, and am strongly, strongly saddened by abortions but I also don't think the government has the capabilities or capacities to intervene, abortion rights are here and should not try to be repealed.

When it comes to political figures I dislike, Trump comes to mind. I really hate his Presidency so far, but I will agree with him on trade in full, as a protectionist myself.

Those are the concessions I'm willing to offer, I'd say. I'm a pretty strong Democrat and very involved in the party, but I think I can make those concessions pretty honestly.

Edit: Caveat, I voted almost straight Dem, the non Dem votes were for a Green candidate, a write-in, and a lone Republican for City Council.

Wait, did I find an actual moderate democrat? I thought they were a myth.

Don't know why you'd think that.

[Genivaria]

I suppose I’ll have to start a PAC and get some donors, then.

If your local democrat party has common sense, that is. In Texas they run local left wingers instead of the kind of moderate democrats that could potentially win a statewide election. I mean, seriously, you want Wendy Davis to try to beat the sitting republican governor of a red state, who won by having strong evangelical support?

I mean, I love Davis but fair enough.

[Telconi]

I voted almost straight Dem and I'm a registered Dem, but I can usually see where any normal Joe or Mike is coming from when they say they vote GOP. They have different values politically, that's fine.

I tend to disagree with my party when it comes to "identity politics." I think, too often, we play into the narrative that attaching a label to someone makes them intrinsically more special. I support some gun control, but not an assault weapons ban like many in my party do, nor do I support NY state styles of regulations when it comes to ammo, etc (I'm a Dem who owns and likes my guns, so I fall between both parties when it comes to my views on gun control.)

I'm sympathetic to the pro-life movement, and am strongly, strongly saddened by abortions but I also don't think the government has the capabilities or capacities to intervene, abortion rights are here and should not try to be repealed.

When it comes to political figures I dislike, Trump comes to mind. I really hate his Presidency so far, but I will agree with him on trade in full, as a protectionist myself.

Those are the concessions I'm willing to offer, I'd say. I'm a pretty strong Democrat and very involved in the party, but I think I can make those concessions pretty honestly.

Edit: Caveat, I voted almost straight Dem, the non Dem votes were for a Green candidate, a write-in, and a lone Republican for City Council.

Oh, my sweet sweet summer child...

[Sovaal]

Name 'em

Dems:
Environmental stuff
Healthcare ideas (even if most of the current proposals suck it's still a step in the right direction)
Not letting religious people dictate policy

Reps:
Guns
Judicial nominees
Sticking it to the red menace
Not letting out of touch dumbasses dictate policy

Then you have things that parts of both sides are starting to embrace that are nice ie protectionism.

Get rid of the McCarthyism and we got a winner.

[Telconi]

Dems:
Environmental stuff
Healthcare ideas (even if most of the current proposals suck it's still a step in the right direction)
Not letting religious people dictate policy

Reps:
Guns
Judicial nominees
Sticking it to the red menace
Not letting out of touch dumbasses dictate policy

Then you have things that parts of both sides are starting to embrace that are nice ie protectionism.

Get rid of the McCarthyism and we got a winner.

But the reds...

[Thermodolia]

I’ve always split my vote. I voted for a Democrat Governor, a Democrat Representative, a republican Lt Governor, and several other republicans, democrats, and libertarians.

[Thermodolia]

Name 'em

Dems:
Environmental stuff
Healthcare ideas (even if most of the current proposals suck it's still a step in the right direction)
Not letting religious people dictate policy

Reps:
Guns
Judicial nominees
Sticking it to the red menace
Not letting out of touch dumbasses dictate policy

Then you have things that parts of both sides are starting to embrace that are nice ie protectionism.

Ya know if there was one party that did all of that shit I’d be a card carrying member of it

[Telconi]

Dems:
Environmental stuff
Healthcare ideas (even if most of the current proposals suck it's still a step in the right direction)
Not letting religious people dictate policy

Reps:
Guns
Judicial nominees
Sticking it to the red menace
Not letting out of touch dumbasses dictate policy

Then you have things that parts of both sides are starting to embrace that are nice ie protectionism.

Ya know if there was one party that did all of that shit I’d be a card carrying member of it

If only...

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

I generally don't like gop too much of the GOP are too hardline for me to like