Antifa Attacks Liberal Over American Flag.

[Fahran]

Of course it doesn't make America fascist. Just wanted to bring up a point in history where the US did indeed support a far right military dictatorship.

Galtieri is a debatable fascist given that he loosened controls on dissent, tolerated anti-junta protests, and did not maintain a totalitarian state. Keep in mind that the principal opposition to him at the time that would have actually gotten the ax were the Peronists and Soviet-backed groups. The former were directly inspired by Fascism. The latter were bad enough on their own. We supported a few awful dictators. Few of them can really be called fascist.

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I'm really over this mentality of "One cannot be a fascist unless they are literally rounding up people for death camps and only if it's the 1940's." Meanwhile the likes of Hillary Clinton who won't even support a living wage or universal health care are called "far left."

[Nakena]

I'm really over this mentality of "One cannot be a fascist unless they are literally rounding up people for death camps and only if it's the 1940's." Meanwhile the likes of Hillary Clinton who won't even support a living wage or universal health care are called "far left."

Fascism is a pretty well defined ideology and doesnt needs 1940 style death camps. And Clinton isn't far left either.

[Petrolheadia]

I'm really over this mentality of "One cannot be a fascist unless they are literally rounding up people for death camps and only if it's the 1940's." Meanwhile the likes of Hillary Clinton who won't even support a living wage or universal health care are called "far left."

Who ever called Hillary "far left"?

[Petrolheadia]

I'm really over this mentality of "One cannot be a fascist unless they are literally rounding up people for death camps and only if it's the 1940's." Meanwhile the likes of Hillary Clinton who won't even support a living wage or universal health care are called "far left."

Fascism is a pretty well defined ideology and actually hasnt anything to do with 1940 style death camps. And Clinton isn't far left either.

As Wikipedia says "Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy"

Unlike what many internet commentators say, national pride, racism or strengthening the power of one governmental sector does not equal fascism. And fascism isn't necessarily nazism.

[Petrolheadia]

how is this thread 20 pages long when literally all that needed to be said was "the american flag is a fascist symbol."

citation needed

[Sokolist Republics]

So far 5 people were insane enough to say attacking the dude for having an American flag was justified.

[Fahran]

I'm really over this mentality of "One cannot be a fascist unless they are literally rounding up people for death camps and only if it's the 1940's." Meanwhile the likes of Hillary Clinton who won't even support a living wage or universal health care are called "far left."

Not all bad or despotic policies or ideas have to originate with fascism. I call them white nationalists or white supremacists generally because that's the most accurate description for racist people that want a white democracy with a protectionist economy and the deportation of racial and ethnic minorities. They're still unsavory, but they're not fascists.

So far 5 people were insane enough to say attacking the dude for having an American flag was justified.

It sort of logically follows from "punching Nazis is okay", "some speech is violence", and "America has had a negative impact on the world" though.

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Fascism is a pretty well defined ideology and actually hasnt anything to do with 1940 style death camps. And Clinton isn't far left either.

As Wikipedia says "Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy"

Unlike what many internet commentators say, national pride, racism or strengthening the power of one governmental sector does not equal fascism.

All of those things in growing amounts will eventually result in a fascist state.

[Petrolheadia]

As Wikipedia says "Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy"

Unlike what many internet commentators say, national pride, racism or strengthening the power of one governmental sector does not equal fascism.

All of those things in growing amounts will eventually result in a fascist state.

It will result in a nationalist state with imbalanced government power, but not a fascist one.

[Petrolheadia]

So far 5 people were insane enough to say attacking the dude for having an American flag was justified.

It sort of logically follows from "punching Nazis is okay", "some speech is violence", and "America has had a negative impact on the world" though.

Reminds me of some guys in very dark shirts...

[Fahran]

It will result in a nationalist state with imbalanced government power, but not a fascist one.

I'm tempted to fetch my old definition of fascism from Parkus's thread.

Here.

Features of Fascism:

• Palingenetic Ultranationalism
• Corporatism, National Syndicalism, or Third-Way economic policies
• Totalitarianism - emphasis of the state at the expense of other institutions
• Hegelian Philosophy and Marxism, though quite obviously not applied in conventional ways
• Anti-Liberalism, Anti-Communism, and Anti-Conservatism
• Rejection of the Enlightenment
• Militarism
• Reactionary
• Revolutionary

Calling fascism conservative in any respect is a bit peculiar given the dramatic changes one would have to effect in order to implement a genuinely fascist society. It requires the dismantling, undermining, or commandeering of traditional institutions such as the family, the community, the church, and the university to accomplish the "rejuvenation" of society and the promotion of absolute state power. That's not conservative at all.

[Saranidia]

I have been involved with Antifa activism at various times but would never do this.
Attacking someone for waving a national flag with no direct political meaning is wrong.

The same goes for western and non-western patriots being attacked.

[Nakena]

All of those things in growing amounts will eventually result in a fascist state.

Fascism isn't a state of being, but a set of ideological beliefs. One that neither Trump nor most White Nationalists or Alt-Righters follow, despite they have some fascists among their ranks. But they're not mainstream even within the movement. Even less so than NatSocs.

[Valrifell]

I'm really over this mentality of "One cannot be a fascist unless they are literally rounding up people for death camps and only if it's the 1940's." Meanwhile the likes of Hillary Clinton who won't even support a living wage or universal health care are called "far left."

Fascism is a pretty well defined ideology and doesnt needs 1940 style death camps. And Clinton isn't far left either.

Fascism is notoriously hard to define.

Ironically, Nazism, a subset of Fascism, has very clear connotations and definitions. The broader movement, on the other hand, is harder to pin down exactly.

[Nakena]

Fascism is a pretty well defined ideology and doesnt needs 1940 style death camps. And Clinton isn't far left either.

Fascism is notoriously hard to define.

Ironically, Nazism, a subset of Fascism, has very clear connotations and definitions. The broader movement, on the other hand, is harder to pin down exactly.

Look above:

It will result in a nationalist state with imbalanced government power, but not a fascist one.

I'm tempted to fetch my old definition of fascism from Parkus's thread.

Here.

Features of Fascism:

• Palingenetic Ultranationalism
• Corporatism, National Syndicalism, or Third-Way economic policies
• Totalitarianism - emphasis of the state at the expense of other institutions
• Hegelian Philosophy and Marxism, though quite obviously not applied in conventional ways
• Anti-Liberalism, Anti-Communism, and Anti-Conservatism
• Rejection of the Enlightenment
• Militarism
• Reactionary
• Revolutionary

Calling fascism conservative in any respect is a bit peculiar given the dramatic changes one would have to effect in order to implement a genuinely fascist society. It requires the dismantling, undermining, or commandeering of traditional institutions such as the family, the community, the church, and the university to accomplish the "rejuvenation" of society and the promotion of absolute state power. That's not conservative at all.

[Harelia]

Fascism is a pretty well defined ideology and actually hasnt anything to do with 1940 style death camps. And Clinton isn't far left either.

As Wikipedia says "Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy"

Unlike what many internet commentators say, national pride, racism or strengthening the power of one governmental sector does not equal fascism. And fascism isn't necessarily nazism.

That sounds exactly like a certain militant group currently on discussion here...

Interesting...

[Harelia]

Fascism is notoriously hard to define.

Ironically, Nazism, a subset of Fascism, has very clear connotations and definitions. The broader movement, on the other hand, is harder to pin down exactly.

Look above:

I'm tempted to fetch my old definition of fascism from Parkus's thread.

Here.

You the real MVP.

[Prybourne]

So you want to demonise anyone who calls themselves anti-fascist based on the actions of exactly two people?

I hate it when people say it like that. Being anti-fascist is one thing but ANTIFA is anything but a peaceful, concerned, misunderstood group. ANTIFA is a left-wing, self-styled anti-fascist militant group, this is not just some accusation on them. Their tactics are mainly digital activism, property damage, physical violence, and harassment against those whom they identify as fascists, this isn't some "small percent" group incident, It's what they do. I'm sure most of us could call ourselves "anti-fascist", hell even I consider myself one. Fascists have no place in our country and I will oppose them at every corner. However, I do not identify with ANTIFA due to their violent nature and even I dare say misguided nature. I don't think a group who attacks someone for holding a national symbol, which is not one of fascist nature, it starts to bring in the question, what are they actually against?

Because the issue with ANTIFA is that they do not oppose fascism per say, they seem to oppose anyone who is not on board with their idea. I would not identify right-wing politics or even the United States in itself a "fascist" idea or system yet regular citizens, even men who identify with their particular politics, are getting attacked in the name of anti-fascism. What sense is that?

This isn't the first time they've done stuff like this, they want to fight. Remember when there was supposed to be a "huge, Unite The Right rally" they were going to disrupt but they couldn't really find any fascists so they fought journalists, who weren't even involved? Punching people in the face or advocating censorship or the abolition of free speech is a very dangerous road to begin to walk down and it is self-defeating. It's just another group that implores violence to obtain it's goals and nothing more, not a noble resistance. If anything, their tactics put a huge blur on what they stand for and fascism.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

how is this thread 20 pages long when literally all that needed to be said was "the american flag is a fascist symbol."

If the American flag--which is the symbol of a democratic republic by the way--is a fascist symbol, then what is a Nazi symbol? A super super super fascist symbol?

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Attacking someone for waving a national flag with no direct political meaning is wrong.

The same goes for western and non-western patriots being attacked.

Agreed.

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So far 5 people were insane enough to say attacking the dude for having an American flag was justified.

I actually thought no one would say yes, but that would require that everybody have rational thinking.

[Estanglia]

So far 5 people were insane enough to say attacking the dude for having an American flag was justified.

I actually thought no one would say yes, but that would require that everybody have rational thinking.

I wouldn't be surprised if the people who voted yes were joking.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I actually thought no one would say yes, but that would require that everybody have rational thinking.

I wouldn't be surprised if the people who voted yes were joking.

I defiantly know that at least one was not. He or she posted extreme views in this very thread, and I don't think that it was a joke. The others may be joking, but I don't know for sure.

[Vassenor]

I wouldn't be surprised if the people who voted yes were joking.

I defiantly know that at least one was not. He or she posted extreme views in this very thread, and I don't think that it was a joke. The others may be joking, but I don't know for sure.

Pretty sure the poll doesn't tell you who voted for what.

[Movyana]

antifa has its roots with communist ideology, even their colors represent Anarcho-communism.
i may hate communists but i will protect their rights, assault isn't a right its an infringing on others rights.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I defiantly know that at least one was not. He or she posted extreme views in this very thread, and I don't think that it was a joke. The others may be joking, but I don't know for sure.

Pretty sure the poll doesn't tell you who voted for what.

No, but when someone posts his or her reasoning in this thread, it's safe to say what choice that person picked. Also, another poster gave you a link to an article you should read.