Antifa Attacks Liberal Over American Flag.

[Hammer Britannia]

Awfully deceptive thread created to pick fights. Why make a post about this 3 months after the incient?You're just tryna bait people into a flamewar.

That's nearly every NSG thread though

Step 1. Take an event, any event, from the birth of the universe to the heat-death of the universe
Step 2. Make it political
Step 3. ???
Step 4. Profit

[Valgora]

If that's it, you should change the name of the topic since it appears that only two people were involved.
So saying "Antifa attacks liberal over American Flag" is wrong.

I would say antifa members, but apparently even that would be problematic to some of the more extreme players posting in this thread.

You should have said "Two People Associated with the Antifa Movement..." or something.

You could probably use members... depends if one can be a member (and specifically can be called such) of a movement.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

No, you're the one deflecting, because you don't want to admit that the group you like isn't always right.

"I desperately want to own anti-fascists online"

Anarcho-Communists would be a more accurate term.

[Fahran]

If that's it, you should change the name of the topic since it appears that only two people were involved.
So saying "Antifa attacks liberal over American Flag" is wrong.

Well then, it looks like it wasn't Nazis that murdered a protester during the United The Right rally. It was one Nazi operating in bad faith who surely didn't represent the other Nazis there who were only shouting extremist slogans. How many Antifa protesters rushed to this guy's defense since their peers clearly didn't represent their overall message?

Maybe let's not defend people who do bad things and have bad messages?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Awfully deceptive thread created to pick fights. Why make a post about this 3 months after the incient?You're just tryna bait people into a flamewar.

I don't like flame wars.

[East Angria]

My opinion of this is that the people who orchestrated this attack

There's not a whole lot to "orchestrate" in an incident of one guy physically assaulting another guy. There were no more than three people involved in this. There is no antifa shadow cabal mind-controlling their minions to attack anyone who isn't a leftist.

are little more than violent thugs with a veneer of political activism, and

Yes, unfortunately activism against fascists sometimes attracts people who are more into the violence thing rather than the antifascism thing. That fact doesn't devaluate the actions of hundreds of millions of people who manage to oppose fascism without collateral damage though.

the acceptance of violence like this if you're on the "correct" side has empowered violent thugs to expand the definition of "fascist" to include anything they don't like, and violently attack, this time striking a liberal.

I don't know. The left and center have good reason to expose fascism and keep the word in the public discourse without overexpanding its meaning.
The right, however, often call antifascists the real fascists. Or claim that fascism is a left-wing ideology. Or they call people who disagree with them nazis who restrict free speech.
The right is much, much more guilty of deliberately misapplying the term "fascism" to suit their goals.

Is an attack like this over an American flag acceptable? What are your thoughts NSG? I say it isn’t.

The attack in question was stupid and unnecessary, there is no doubt to that - also considering the fact that the perpetrator seems to have attacked someone who was on his side during the protest.
The American flag means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. To some, it represents freedom, a melting pot culture, democracy, all that jazz.
But it is also a symbol of racist oppression, violent expansionism, turbo-capitalism, all that bad stuff. I'll go out on a limb here and say that the fascist side of this protest carried many more US flags than the antifascists.
The American flag as a concept should be attacked or at least criticized. But definitely not by bashing the people who carry it while protesting fascism over the head.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Decentralized networks are still a form of organization. They seek to prevent the free assembly of other groups through violence and they attack noncombatants. Terrorists. Sympathisers can be rooted out through monitoring online activity. Get the waterboard.

A form of organization doesn't make something an organization.
Antifa is a movement which has groups in it.
So Antifa itself ain't an organization/a group.

Al-Qaeda operated for some time with a fairly minimal central structure, lots of affiliated groups, and their active terror planners were subdivided cells with little contact from the centre, never stopped them being unproblematically accepted as terrorists.

This is an excuse primarily made by sympathisers. As part of the problem, their opinion is invalid.

[Unithonia]

Do what needs to be done. Throw 'em in Prison and Ban Antifa and Neo-Nazi meetings. Simple.

[Unithonia]

A form of organization doesn't make something an organization.
Antifa is a movement which has groups in it.
So Antifa itself ain't an organization/a group.

Al-Qaeda operated for some time with a fairly minimal central structure, lots of affiliated groups, and their active terror planners were subdivided cells with little contact from the centre, never stopped them being unproblematically accepted as terrorists.

This is an excuse primarily made by sympathisers. As part of the problems their opinion is invalid.

Agreed. I would also point to the IRA

[The Black Party]

Communists in a friendly fire incident? Never heard that before!

In all seriousness, AntiFa needs to get it together. This is one of the fundamental problems of decentralized leadership. If AntiFa wants to ever progress past smashing in Starbucks' windows, they will need to properly organize themselves. An Alt-Left is long overdue.

[Huntpublic]

My opinion of this is that the people who orchestrated this attack

There's not a whole lot to "orchestrate" in an incident of one guy physically assaulting another guy. There were no more than three people involved in this. There is no Antifa shadow cabal mind-controlling their minions to attack anyone who isn't a leftist.

Hey, hey, hey! If school hasn't taught me anything, I would know, there are bystanders. Yeah, and they are involved in bullying too!

Nobody likes bullies, especially ones who fights others because of their views(and/or property)

[The Burke Islands]

Communists in a friendly fire incident? Never heard that before!

In all seriousness, AntiFa needs to get it together. This is one of the fundamental problems of decentralized leadership. If AntiFa wants to ever progress past smashing in Starbucks' windows, they will need to properly organize themselves. An Alt-Left is long overdue.

How bout we don't create an Alt-Left and get rid of the Alt-Right?

[Unithonia]

Communists in a friendly fire incident? Never heard that before!

In all seriousness, AntiFa needs to get it together. This is one of the fundamental problems of decentralized leadership. If AntiFa wants to ever progress past smashing in Starbucks' windows, they will need to properly organize themselves. An Alt-Left is long overdue.

How bout we don't create an Alt-Left and try and ignore the Alt-Right?

How about we just ban Alt-Left and Alt-Right groups because of violence!

[Hammer Britannia]

Communists in a friendly fire incident? Never heard that before!

In all seriousness, AntiFa needs to get it together. This is one of the fundamental problems of decentralized leadership. If AntiFa wants to ever progress past smashing in Starbucks' windows, they will need to properly organize themselves. An Alt-Left is long overdue.

How bout we don't create an Alt-Left and get rid of the Alt-Right?

Alt-Centrism

[The Burke Islands]

How bout we don't create an Alt-Left and try and ignore the Alt-Right?

How about we just ban Alt-Left and Alt-Right groups because of violence!

How about we don't violate the 1st amendment and just arrest the violent individuals?

[The Black Party]

If that's it, you should change the name of the topic since it appears that only two people were involved.
So saying "Antifa attacks liberal over American Flag" is wrong.

Well then, it looks like it wasn't Nazis that murdered a protester during the United The Right rally. It was one Nazi operating in bad faith who surely didn't represent the other Nazis there who were only shouting extremist slogans. How many Antifa protesters rushed to this guy's defense since their peers clearly didn't represent their overall message?

Maybe let's not defend people who do bad things and have bad messages?

^ This is golden. Only further exposes the political bias of the NS forum. I guarantee mods will pressure OP into changing the topic title anyways.

[The Black Party]

How about we just ban Alt-Left and Alt-Right groups because of violence!

How about we don't violate the 1st amendment and just arrest the violent individuals?

That is far too complicated for my low IQ brain to understand, so I rather my alternative.

[Valgora]

If that's it, you should change the name of the topic since it appears that only two people were involved.
So saying "Antifa attacks liberal over American Flag" is wrong.

Well then, it looks like it wasn't Nazis that murdered a protester during the United The Right rally. It was one Nazi operating in bad faith who surely didn't represent the other Nazis there who were only shouting extremist slogans. How many Antifa protesters rushed to this guy's defense since their peers clearly didn't represent their overall message?

Maybe let's not defend people who do bad things and have bad messages?

To be fair, there is the Bystander Effect.
If something happens to someone, the larger the group should mean it's easier for that person to get help; however, it's the opposite. The larger the group, the harder it is for someone to receive help because of people thinking that someone else will help because they see how many people are there.

I'm not defending someone who does bad things and has bad messages. I haven't defended the two men and their actions.

[Huntpublic]

How bout we don't create an Alt-Left and get rid of the Alt-Right?

Alt-Centrism

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Yeah, *sniffs* I'd like that

[Dumb Ideologies]

How about we just ban Alt-Left and Alt-Right groups because of violence!

How about we don't violate the 1st amendment and just arrest the violent individuals?

The alt-left and the alt-right are deliberately sowing division and toxifying the political climate. If your constitution does not permit disrupting their organizations and physically removing them from the space of political debate, then it is broken.

[Annihitor the Incred]

I don't know. The left and center have good reason to expose fascism and keep the word in the public discourse without overexpanding its meaning.
The right, however, often call antifascists the real fascists. Or claim that fascism is a left-wing ideology. Or they call people who disagree with them nazis who restrict free speech.

That tends to happen when the supposed anti-fascists use brown shirt tactics straight out of Hitler's and Mussolini's playbook.

[The Burke Islands]

How about we don't violate the 1st amendment and just arrest the violent individuals?

The alt-left and the alt-right are deliberately sowing division and toxifying the political climate. If your constitution does not permit disrupting their organizations and physically removing them from the space of political debate, then it is broken.

I would rather not give the government the power to break up legal protests because they are "divisive".

[El-Amin Caliphate]

If that's it, you should change the name of the topic since it appears that only two people were involved.
So saying "Antifa attacks liberal over American Flag" is wrong.

I would say antifa members, but apparently even that would be problematic to some of the more extreme players posting in this thread.

Correcting incorrect terms is not extreme.

[The Black Party]

The alt-left and the alt-right are deliberately sowing division and toxifying the political climate. If your constitution does not permit disrupting their organizations and physically removing them from the space of political debate, then it is broken.

Not much of a political debate if there is no division, is there?

[Fahran]

How about we don't violate the 1st amendment and just arrest the violent individuals?

This. That doesn't mean that mainstream political organizations shouldn't condemn groups who actively support violence against political opponents. You just can't arrest people for being a fascist or communist.