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Is this attack justifiable?

Poll ended at Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:40 pm

Yes
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Total votes : 75

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Postby Tobleste » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:26 pm

Ifreann wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:...members of antifa...

No such thing.


I'm getting a little annoyed with the way every idiot that isn't right wing is called "antifa" despite that organisation not actually existing.
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Postby Sethtekia » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:30 pm

Antifa is a terrorist organization that needs to be destroyed. They are violent criminals and they are never had any semblence of honor. They must be either imprisoned for life or executed. They are not allowed to "protest" utilizing violence. That is not a legal protest in America.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:30 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Ifreann wrote:No such thing.


I'm getting a little annoyed with the way every idiot that isn't right wing is called "antifa" despite that organisation not actually existing.
It's from my source, and not every left-winger who is in the wrong is called antifa. Also, antifa attends a lot of protests and riots for an organization or group that does not exist.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:42 pm

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Postby Tobleste » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:49 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
I'm getting a little annoyed with the way every idiot that isn't right wing is called "antifa" despite that organisation not actually existing.
It's from my source, and not every left-winger who is in the wrong is called antifa. Also, antifa attends a lot of protests and riots for an organization or group that does not exist.


So whose the leader of antifa? Where are they based? How do they communicate?

It seems more likely plenty of people are pissed off rather than they're a sophisticated terrorist organisation.
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Postby Vince Vaughn » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:50 pm

Tobleste wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote: It's from my source, and not every left-winger who is in the wrong is called antifa. Also, antifa attends a lot of protests and riots for an organization or group that does not exist.


So whose the leader of antifa? Where are they based? How do they communicate?

It seems more likely plenty of people are pissed off rather than they're a sophisticated terrorist organisation.


Aren't a lot of terrorist acts committed by people who have loose ideological fealty but aren't actually part of a structured organization?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:54 pm

My opinion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhCheCryopA

All this internationalist, globalist, and progressive nonsense undermines society and alienates broad swathes of the population, Anti-Fa is doing what they do (Violent enforcement of marxist ideals), but it is also them expressing a trend on the progressive left to oppose nationalism and patriotism. Nationalism and Leftism can and should be aligned.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:44 pm

Sethtekia wrote:Antifa is a terrorist organization that needs to be destroyed. They are violent criminals and they are never had any semblence of honor. They must be either imprisoned for life or executed. They are not allowed to "protest" utilizing violence. That is not a legal protest in America.


So when do we start jailing the Unite The Right crew?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:05 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Ah so there was popular armed revolution against Prohibition. I'm learning so much today.

Prohibition isn't as bad as a full on fascist dictatorship, so that is a false equivalency. :roll:

Taking a quote out of context to suggest a false equivalence I wasn't making. Well done. 10/10.


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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Prohibition isn't as bad as a full on fascist dictatorship, so that is a false equivalency. :roll:


Careful, you'll anger them into another argumental fallacy and they'll have no choice to play their little ad hominem games again.

He said to the person who accuses me of supporting terrorism because he thinks I called him a fascist once.


Sethtekia wrote:Antifa is a terrorist organization that needs to be destroyed. They are violent criminals and they are never had any semblence of honor. They must be either imprisoned for life or executed. They are not allowed to "protest" utilizing violence. That is not a legal protest in America.

"honor"
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Postby Tobleste » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:58 pm

Vince Vaughn wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
So whose the leader of antifa? Where are they based? How do they communicate?

It seems more likely plenty of people are pissed off rather than they're a sophisticated terrorist organisation.


Aren't a lot of terrorist acts committed by people who have loose ideological fealty but aren't actually part of a structured organization?


Presumably but there seems to be this drive to conjure up an idea of millions of rampaging leftists that just seems sad. I've heard plenty about "antifa" from conservatives but nothing from antifa themselves which makes me wonder how many there actually are.
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Postby Misthas » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:04 pm

Sethtekia wrote:Antifa is a terrorist organization that needs to be destroyed. They are violent criminals and they are never had any semblence of honor. They must be either imprisoned for life or executed. They are not allowed to "protest" utilizing violence. That is not a legal protest in America.

That's a little too far, don't you think?
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:07 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:My opinion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhCheCryopA

All this internationalist, globalist, and progressive nonsense undermines society and alienates broad swathes of the population, Anti-Fa is doing what they do (Violent enforcement of marxist ideals), but it is also them expressing a trend on the progressive left to oppose nationalism and patriotism. Nationalism and Leftism can and should be aligned.

Who said supressing patriotism was a thing?

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:08 pm

Sethtekia wrote:Antifa is a terrorist organization that needs to be destroyed. They are violent criminals and they are never had any semblence of honor. They must be either imprisoned for life or executed. They are not allowed to "protest" utilizing violence. That is not a legal protest in America.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:18 pm

"Is this attack justifiable?"

No.

It isn't. At all. The guy was standing there with an American flag exercising his rights to freedom of speech and assembly. Then he got attacked by two extremist assholes.

The attacks where unprovoked. The man was not violent, yet Antifa attacked a man that not only wasn't threatening them but had nothing to do with Fascism.


There is no logical way you could possibly see this and say that this attack was justified.

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Postby Harelia » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:57 pm

I feel like the poll is a tad loaded. Saying it's acceptable to attack people for waving the American flag is about as logical as saying it's okay to light up a hundred cigarettes and then eat them.

The only reason anyone would vote yes would be to stand out and be that "one in a hundred" knowing full well most would just choose no anyways.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:18 am

Harelia wrote:I feel like the poll is a tad loaded. Saying it's acceptable to attack people for waving the American flag is about as logical as saying it's okay to light up a hundred cigarettes and then eat them.

The only reason anyone would vote yes would be to stand out and be that "one in a hundred" knowing full well most would just choose no anyways.


It's NSG. Loaded polls are kind of the default.
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Postby Kubra » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:30 am

Harelia wrote:I feel like the poll is a tad loaded. Saying it's acceptable to attack people for waving the American flag is about as logical as saying it's okay to light up a hundred cigarettes and then eat them.

The only reason anyone would vote yes would be to stand out and be that "one in a hundred" knowing full well most would just choose no anyways.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:42 am

Harelia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:People are already failed as a preventative method. People who threaten to bomb places are jailed.


I mean, if Antifa is so good at stopping Fascism then why didn't they stop the Las Vegas shooter with their magical preventatives?

Probably the same answer to the question of "Why doesn't God stop children from being born with bone disease?"

I don’t believe I’ve made any comments specifically as it pertains to Antifa’s effectiveness. If I have please point it out.
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Postby Aellex » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:48 am

Tobleste wrote:
Ifreann wrote:No such thing.


I'm getting a little annoyed with the way every idiot that isn't right wing is called "antifa" despite that organisation not actually existing.

"It's an organization without a proper structure so it tots doesn't exist at all despite people revendicating themselves as being part from it!"
Stop with that fucking meme fam, no one's buying it.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:03 am

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Rather than type this out for the hundreth time on NSG, I'm going to give you the cliff notes: Far right violence has a body count in the thousands and excluding 9/11 is deadlier than even radical Islamist terrorism, far left violence is some overturned trash cans and sometimes someone getting punched in the face. False equivalence.


Far left violence is jailing domestic abuse victims because their abuser is a woman and shit like that. The far-right hasn't institutionalized its violence, but that doesn't mean far-left violence doesn't ruin peoples lives. You're using a canard that lets capitalists get away with their shit too, and mainline normal racists.

The far-left denies reality in order to justify and perpetrate their violence and make it not matter, and so does the far-right. The nature of those justifications differing is just a matter of different colored uniforms when you get down to it. It's the difference between Oceania and Eastasia.

The mainstream right wing also doesn't up and declare fascism and naziism as good movements that just get carried away sometimes. The left does do that with its bullshit.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:14 am

Aellex wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
I'm getting a little annoyed with the way every idiot that isn't right wing is called "antifa" despite that organisation not actually existing.

"It's an organization without a proper structure so it tots doesn't exist at all despite people revendicating themselves as being part from it!"
Stop with that fucking meme fam, no one's buying it.

Agreed, just because a group has no formal leader doesn't mean that they are not at fault for their actions.

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Postby Caldreania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:16 am

Page wrote:
Rather than type this out for the hundreth time on NSG, I'm going to give you the cliff notes: Far right violence has a body count in the thousands and excluding 9/11 is deadlier than even radical Islamist terrorism, far left violence is some overturned trash cans and sometimes someone getting punched in the face. False equivalence.


Are you, for some reason, disregarding all interwar and cold war era leftist terrorists on purpose or?

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Postby Comradeistan » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:16 am

I wonder who was the only person to vote 'yes' in the poll, and I would gladly hear their reasoning and maybe participate in a miniature debate about it.
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Postby Aellex » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:18 am

Caldreania wrote:
Page wrote:
Rather than type this out for the hundreth time on NSG, I'm going to give you the cliff notes: Far right violence has a body count in the thousands and excluding 9/11 is deadlier than even radical Islamist terrorism, far left violence is some overturned trash cans and sometimes someone getting punched in the face. False equivalence.


Are you, for some reason, disregarding all interwar and cold war era leftist terrorists on purpose or?

I'd like to hear where they got their "body count in the thousands" too because that's just so blatantly pulled from their ass I'd kinda want him to try and bullshit his way outta that ludicrous claim.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:19 am

Caldreania wrote:
Page wrote:
Rather than type this out for the hundreth time on NSG, I'm going to give you the cliff notes: Far right violence has a body count in the thousands and excluding 9/11 is deadlier than even radical Islamist terrorism, far left violence is some overturned trash cans and sometimes someone getting punched in the face. False equivalence.


Are you, for some reason, disregarding all interwar and cold war era leftist terrorists on purpose or?

Of course he is.

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