Antifa Attacks Liberal Over American Flag.

[South Ccanda]

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I absolutely hate to say it, but they DO have the rights granted to them by the US to burn the US flag if they wish, again, as long as its theirs. But at most of these protests, they dont go buy their own flags, they steal them from other protesters and THEN burn them.[/quote]
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Just look it up on youtube. its not hidden, its pretty much out in the clear.

[South Ccanda]

Have a better source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwE620VkaD0

The day when Youtube is considered a better source...

Thanks anyway.

Youtube is a great souce because i highly doubt people are maknig cgi antifa attack people

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I love it when someone unironically thinks that hurting an inanimate piece of fabric should be treated as a serious crime

Provided it belongs to you it really shouldn't be. Theft and destruction of someone else's flag should be a very serious crime.

Especially if said object was stolen by violent means.

[South Ccanda]

cedoria wrote that antifa is not an organization. and i would actually have to agree. each antifa chapter is different. there are the rare few, like the one where i live, that are actually peaceful and you can have a conversation and even film them. then there are some that are gangs that vandalize public property and get a bit violent. and THEN, there are the terror cells, which mace people and throw IEDs into crowds of protesters.

[US-SSR]

Hands up everyone who is in favor of fascism...

[Liriena]

Yes, it's a minor story. It is for the purposes of making a broad discussion about political violence.

A single case of battery and potentially attempted murder, specially when it's not premeditated or really organized, is a very sorry sample if you want to talk about political violence in a broad context. And it becomes even worse when the case is not even recent enough that its immediacy would justify intense attention. OP might as well have made the thread about Richard Spencer getting punched last year.

It's kinda scary to me.

I don't want Antifa attacking me now that they show that they don't care about moderate liberals.

Eh, not gonna lie. It's definitely true that some people on the far left unironically support the idea of "liberals get the bullet too". But I wouldn't worry too much. I wouldn't say it's a very widespread and systemic effort.

[Liriena]

I was just too lazy to quote the one poster who argued for treating flag desecration as a crime. The guy getting attacked I do think is a crime and just plain wrong.

Interestingly flag desecration isn't a crime in the US, and chances are that this is not going to change.

The problem is the self-righteous attitude of Antifa when it comes to violence. Aside from the fact that it doesn't helps their cause. But they don't want or care to know.

Whether it helps their cause or not depends on what you think their cause is. Antifa isn't trying to win elections, so even if the optics of beating fascists up are bad for a wider audience, it doesn't matter much.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That's it, boys. Declare antifa a terrorist organisation, tap the communications of suspected sympathisers, and send all confirmed supporters to reeducation camps.

This^

[Nakena]

Interestingly flag desecration isn't a crime in the US, and chances are that this is not going to change.

The problem is the self-righteous attitude of Antifa when it comes to violence. Aside from the fact that it doesn't helps their cause. But they don't want or care to know.

Whether it helps their cause or not depends on what you think their cause is. Antifa isn't trying to win elections, so even if the optics of beating fascists up are bad for a wider audience, it doesn't matter much.

I believe we both can agree that the guy there wasn't a fascist by all likehood.

And I stay to what I say about the self-righteous attitude displayed by many self-declared Antifas, because i've seen it many times and almost lost a friend over it, who had fully given into that mindset. Precisely because it isnt an organization, anyone can claim to be Antifa and attack perceived "fascists", so thats essentially a vigilante mob who gives itself moral superiority and decides who is an acceptable target.

If they would focus it on scum like the KKK, I don't think this thread would be even a thing.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Hands up everyone who is in favor of fascism...

For someone who shouts constantly about truth, that post seems to demonstrate an inability to find it.

[Vassenor]

Hands up everyone who is in favor of fascism...

For someone who shouts constantly about truth, that post seems to demonstrate an inability to find it.

Remember, asking people what their views are is bad.

[Northeast American Federation]

For someone who shouts constantly about truth, that post seems to demonstrate an inability to find it.

Remember, asking people what their views are is bad.

Well, yeah. Just hit 'em over the head first, and ask questions later, right?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

For someone who shouts constantly about truth, that post seems to demonstrate an inability to find it.

Remember, asking people what their views are is bad.

I don't think I need to ask people for their views when they post their views on other threads, and I read them, but of course you can't grasp that.

[Bloody Plains]

During a protest that occurred on August Fourth, a progressive named Paul Welch decided to counter-protest conservative activists that have decided to protest in the Portland area that day, and he decided to join the counterprotest carrying an American flag. Soon after however he was confronted my members of antifa claiming that the flag was a "fascist symbol", and that he was to hand it over. He refused, and after a brief tug of war with the group, another antifa member came up from behind him, and whacked him in the head several times, resulting in him suffering from a concussion. When he was on the ground, other "anti-fascists" then prodded him with their weapons. Source can be found here.

My opinion of this is that the people who orchestrated this attack are little more than violent thugs with a veneer of political activism, and the acceptance of violence like this if you're on the "correct" side has empowered violent thugs to expand the definition of "fascist" to include anything they don't like, and violently attack, this time striking a liberal. Is an attack like this over an American flag acceptable? What are your thoughts NSG? I say it isn’t.

So you want to demonise anyone who calls themselves anti-fascist based on the actions of exactly two people?

Two people?
The thing is, this happens regularly. Antifa CONSTANTLY attacks and injures people during protests. Remember the bike lock guy who bashed a guy on the head? Or when Antifa attacked a Trump supporter in Washington with homemade shields, then proceeded to beat him down?
This junk happens on the regular.

[Vassenor]

Remember, asking people what their views are is bad.

I don't think I need to ask people for their views when they post their views on other threads, and I read them, but of course you can't grasp that.

You just can't stop with the ad hominems can you?

[Harelia]

For a terrorist organization Anti-Fascist group, Antifa likes to dictate and demand what people can and cannot do a lot. Honestly I say good on the man for standing his ground. We need more people in this world willing to stand up and actually not take other peoples shit, like the absolute Chad that straight cold clocked an Antifa snowflake at the Patriot Prayer rally.

If America is fascism, then I'm the fascist supreme.

[Ifreann]

Remember, asking people what their views are is bad.

I don't think I need to ask people for their views when they post their views on other threads, and I read them, but of course you can't grasp that.

Is that how you came to the conclusion that I support terrorism, even though I've never said that in any thread?

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For a terrorist organization Anti-Fascist group, Antifa likes to dictate and demand what people can and cannot do a lot.

Why you gotta be fake news?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I don't think I need to ask people for their views when they post their views on other threads, and I read them, but of course you can't grasp that.

You just can't stop with the ad hominems can you?

Why should I stop? You don't stop with your logical fallacies.

[Harelia]

I don't think I need to ask people for their views when they post their views on other threads, and I read them, but of course you can't grasp that.

Is that how you came to the conclusion that I support terrorism, even though I've never said that in any thread?

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For a terrorist organization Anti-Fascist group, Antifa likes to dictate and demand what people can and cannot do a lot.

Why you gotta be fake news?

I'm sorry. Let me change that.

What I meant to say is that Antifa is a Anti-Fascist terrorist group.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I don't think I need to ask people for their views when they post their views on other threads, and I read them, but of course you can't grasp that.

Is that how you came to the conclusion that I support terrorism, even though I've never said that in any thread?

You implied that I was a fascist when I criticized antifa in another thread. That is reason enough. Also, in that post you defended the antifa riot at Berkeley when I brought it up.

[Ifreann]

Is that how you came to the conclusion that I support terrorism, even though I've never said that in any thread?

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Why you gotta be fake news?

I'm sorry. Let me change that.

What I meant to say is that Antifa is a Anti-Fascist terrorist group.

I think what you meant is that Antifa don't dictate or demand anything.

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Is that how you came to the conclusion that I support terrorism, even though I've never said that in any thread?

You implied that I was a fascist when I criticized antifa in another thread. That is reason enough.

I must support terrorism because you incorrectly inferred that I was calling you a fascist? That is absurd.

Also, in that post you defended the antifa riot at Berkeley when I brought it up.

Is there no end to your scurrilous lies?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Is there no end to your scurrilous lies?

This is what you wrote:

If you think that supporting fascism and opposing fascism are morally equivalent then you are probably a fascist.

You're the one telling lies here, not me. All I said was that I didn't like both groups, and that was your response.

[Harelia]

I'm sorry. Let me change that.

What I meant to say is that Antifa is a Anti-Fascist terrorist group.

I think what you meant is that Antifa don't dictate or demand anything.

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I think what I meant is that they do exactly that, and proceed to beat and harass anyone that doesn't agree with them. But it must be nice for you to live in a make believe world where your little ISIS movement doesn't beat people with bike locks or justify punching "Nazi's" because they didn't like hearing something other than far-left fanaticism.

[West Leas Oros 2]

God dammit. These little shits again?

[Freedoms point]

That settles it then, antifa is a group of screaming lunitics.