Antifa Attacks Liberal Over American Flag.

[Scomagia]

It's not minor any more than that jerkass that ran somebody over in Charlottesville was a minor incident. Why are you trying to minimize this?

That jerkwad actually killed someone. It wasn't "potentially" attempted murder. It was a very successful attempt at mass murder. It wasn't a stupid fight between one guy and a handful of shitheads that got out of hand. It was one guy using his car as a weapon against dozens of innocent people.

So an attack on one person for political reasons, specifically an attack with a high potential for lethality based on the body part targetted, doesn't matter as much because...no one died? The amount of victims was lower? I'm really not understanding your reasoning.

[Almorea]

ANTIFA is the lowest of the low, if not for posse comitatus I would have no problem if Trump sent the Army in every time they showed their faces in public. Disgusting and horrible.

Even if you hate America you should still have enough respect to keep your hands off its flag, flag-burning should carry far harsher punishments than it does. Flag-burning is a terrible crime in society because it represents the rejection of the society's morals and values, and that society itself.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Heck, I'm not even a socialist and I hate the US lol.

You live in the USA right? Let me write your deportation letters for you. If you hate America; you don’t deserve to live in it.

>Deportation
>Implying that I come from somewhere else
>Implying you can dictate where I live

[Flarbinia]

Lock them up, this is assault.

I agree.

[Holy Tedalonia]

You live in the USA right? Let me write your deportation letters for you. If you hate America; you don’t deserve to live in it.

>Deportation
>Implying that I come from somewhere else
>Implying you can dictate where I live

We’ll send you to wherever you like. Fancy Turkey? It’s a Muslim nation, plus they have a awesome post-Christian now Muslim mosque in Instanbul. A real site to behold.

[Kubumba Tribe]

ANTIFA is the lowest of the low

No they aren't. There's way worse stuff that exists.

if not for posse comitatus I would have no problem if Trump sent the Army in every time they showed their faces in public. Disgusting and horrible.

What's disgusting and horrible is the US killing its own people. And the fact that you're ok with that.

Even if you hate America you should still have enough respect to keep your hands off its flag, flag-burning should carry far harsher punishments than it does.

1st amendment

Flag-burning is a terrible crime in society because it represents the rejection of the society's morals and values, and that society itself.

That's not what flag burning means.

[Fahran]

Our meddling predates the Cold War about half a century. Cold War only intensified our interventionalism.

True, but we didn't put most of the early dictators in power. People like Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna, Simon Bolivar, Francisco Solano Lopez, Emperor Pedro II, the numerous Argentine dictators and triumvirs, and Francois-Dominique Toussaint Louverture established themselves quite handily without our intercession because the post-colonial system that remained after the dismantling of the Spanish Empire was conducive either to oligarchy or to military dictatorship. Honestly, we couldn't do too much until after the Civil War because the Monroe Doctrine was pretty hollow until then.

[Ifreann]

ANTIFA is the lowest of the low, if not for posse comitatus I would have no problem if Trump sent the Army in every time they showed their faces in public. Disgusting and horrible.

Even if you hate America you should still have enough respect to keep your hands off its flag, flag-burning should carry far harsher punishments than it does. Flag-burning is a terrible crime in society because it represents the rejection of the society's morals and values, and that society itself.

Flag-burning doesn't carry any punishment. It isn't a crime.

[Kubumba Tribe]

>Deportation
>Implying that I come from somewhere else
>Implying you can dictate where I live

We’ll send you to wherever you like. Fancy Turkey? It’s a Muslim nation, plus they have a awesome post-Christian now Muslim mosque in Instanbul. A real site to behold.

Would you like to stop taking to me like this? I live where I want.

But Turkey does sound like a nice place to visit. I've always wanted to visit the Blue Masjid.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Our meddling predates the Cold War about half a century. Cold War only intensified our interventionalism.

True, but we didn't put most of the early dictators in power. People like Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna, Simon Bolivar, Francisco Solano Lopez, Emperor Pedro II, the numerous Argentine dictators and triumvirs, and Francois-Dominique Toussaint Louverture established themselves quite handily without our intercession because the post-colonial system that remained after the dismantling of the Spanish Empire was conducive either to oligarchy or to military dictatorship.

Fair point, doing nothing wasn’t going to fix it, the time when “democracies mattered” we we’re to scared of communists to install real democracies, and completely ignoring them might’ve gotten them recolonized.

[The Lone Alliance]

Heck, I'm not even a socialist and I hate the US lol.

Aren't you an Islamist? Or at least an Islamist Supremacist?

[Teachian]

Y’know, how easy would it be to say “people who attack a peaceful protester who’s threatening no one is an asshole”?

I’m personally not really sold on Antifa being the danger some see them as, but it’s really not that hard to call out pricks as pricks. The gymnastics people have to do to make one person related to the other side the embodiment of their morality while refusing to denounce someone who’s probably only vaguely near them on the political scale is absurd.

People who run over people are dicks. People who attack people for carrying a flag are dicks. Either side of the political spectrum can survive denouncing the jerks in their presence.

[South Ccanda]

During a protest that occurred on August Fourth, a progressive named Paul Welch decided to counter-protest conservative activists that have decided to protest in the Portland area that day, and he decided to join the counterprotest carrying an American flag. Soon after however he was confronted my members of antifa claiming that the flag was a "fascist symbol", and that he was to hand it over. He refused, and after a brief tug of war with the group, another antifa member came up from behind him, and whacked him in the head several times, resulting in him suffering from a concussion. When he was on the ground, other "anti-fascists" then prodded him with their weapons. Source can be found here.

My opinion of this is that the people who orchestrated this attack are little more than violent thugs with a veneer of political activism, and the acceptance of violence like this if you're on the "correct" side has empowered violent thugs to expand the definition of "fascist" to include anything they don't like, and violently attack, this time striking a liberal. Is an attack like this over an American flag acceptable? What are your thoughts NSG? I say it isn’t.

So you want to demonise anyone who calls themselves anti-fascist based on the actions of exactly two people?

You and I BOTH know its not just two people. there are hundreds of videos of antifa members spaying bear mace, large fireworks, Large fireworks in glass bottles, which are considered IEDs, and clubbing protesters with bike locks and other such items. OP isn't demonizing "anti-fascist", OP is demonizing Antifa.

[Holy Tedalonia]

We’ll send you to wherever you like. Fancy Turkey? It’s a Muslim nation, plus they have a awesome post-Christian now Muslim mosque in Instanbul. A real site to behold.

Would you like to stop taking to me like this? I live where I want.

But Turkey does sound like a nice place to visit. I've always wanted to visit the Blue Masjid.

I know I can’t force you to leave, but if you truly hate the country you live in, shouldn’t you try to move to a different one? I rather not have dissidents in my nation, and if you don’t like the country you might as well find a different one.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Heck, I'm not even a socialist and I hate the US lol.

Aren't you an Islamist? Or at least an Islamist Supremacist?

I wouldn't be a good Islamist if I were a supremacist
Not that you have to be an Islamist to hats America.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Would you like to stop taking to me like this? I live where I want.

But Turkey does sound like a nice place to visit. I've always wanted to visit the Blue Masjid.

I know I can’t force you to leave.

Then stop acting like a butthole and get out of my hair.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Aren't you an Islamist? Or at least an Islamist Supremacist?

I wouldn't be a good Islamist if I were a supremacist
Not that you have to be an Islamist to hats America.

And you don’t have to be American to love America

[Fahran]

Fair point, doing nothing wasn’t going to fix it, the time when “democracies mattered” we we’re to scared of communists to install real democracies, and completely ignoring them might’ve gotten them recolonized.

We should probably move the conversation to the Latin American Discussion Thread, but it is an interesting argument. I actually don't tend to think of America's impact abroad as being world-altering as a general rule. Many of the countries in which we've intervened retained their institutions and political traditions to a significant extent. Chile had a strong martial tradition wherein the military viewed themselves as the defenders of the republic. Pinochet didn't really contradict that. Songs and propaganda often characterized him as a "savior of the republic." Iran was always significantly influenced by the conservative sectors of society and the clergy. They were instrumental in removing both Mossadegh and the Shah from power when their policies began to threaten Iranian tradition. We haven't really changed much outside of Germany and Japan - at least so far as I can tell. Puerto Rico and the Philippines perhaps. Or Liberia.

[Scomagia]

ANTIFA is the lowest of the low, if not for posse comitatus I would have no problem if Trump sent the Army in every time they showed their faces in public. Disgusting and horrible.

Even if you hate America you should still have enough respect to keep your hands off its flag, flag-burning should carry far harsher punishments than it does. Flag-burning is a terrible crime in society because it represents the rejection of the society's morals and values, and that society itself.

Flag burning is an effective means of political speech. There shouldn't be any penalty provided the flag you burn belongs to you.

Using the army on a loose band of college attention whores, liberal activists, and violent communists is silly. Infiltration by the FBI for the purposes of finding and arresting the violent members is much better. Also, it's constitutional.

[Fahran]

Using the army on a loose band of college attention whores, liberal activists, and violent communists is silly. Infiltration by the FBI for the purposes of finding and arresting the violent members is much better. Also, it's constitutional.

This. Just arrest everyone who engages in violence and call it a day. We do the same to white nationalist groups.

[Marmapus]

And you don’t have to be American to love America

And you don't have to love America to be an American.

It's called freedom.

Then stop acting like a butthole and get out of my hair.

Don't you mean, "stop acting like a hair and get out of my butthole"?
If you've got buttholes in your hair, I'd switch shampoos.


In regards to OP, people in groups are dumb. That dumb kid in the video was smacking the flag guy on the butt about a dozen times before he tapped his dome then realized what he had done and walked off before any good citizens grabbed him to make him face the consequences of assault.

Lucky for him, there weren't any able-bodied good citizens around. Just mindless spectators observing a mindless mob.

[South Ccanda]

ANTIFA is the lowest of the low, if not for posse comitatus I would have no problem if Trump sent the Army in every time they showed their faces in public. Disgusting and horrible.

Even if you hate America you should still have enough respect to keep your hands off its flag, flag-burning should carry far harsher punishments than it does. Flag-burning is a terrible crime in society because it represents the rejection of the society's morals and values, and that society itself.

Flag burning is an effective means of political speech. There shouldn't be any penalty provided the flag you burn belongs to you.

Using the army on a loose band of college attention whores, liberal activists, and violent communists is silly. Infiltration by the FBI for the purposes of finding and arresting the violent members is much better. Also, it's constitutional.

I absolutely hate to say it, but they DO have the rights granted to them by the US to burn the US flag if they wish, again, as long as its theirs. But at most of these protests, they dont go buy their own flags, they steal them from other protesters and THEN burn them.

[The Lone Alliance]

Using the army on a loose band of college attention whores, liberal activists, and violent communists is silly. Infiltration by the FBI for the purposes of finding and arresting the violent members is much better. Also, it's constitutional.

This. Just arrest everyone who engages in violence and call it a day. We do the same to white nationalist groups.

Seriously this. If we want to be especially cruel we can send them all to the same prison and let them be forced to work together.

[South Ccanda]

This. Just arrest everyone who engages in violence and call it a day. We do the same to white nationalist groups.

Seriously this. If we want to be especially cruel we can send them all to the same prison and let them be forced to work together.

But its not that simple. at many of the protests that ive seen turn violent, the police rarely stepped in to help.

[Cedoria]

So how do we know they identify as Antifa? The source doesn't say explicitly.

Regardless, Antifa is not an organisation, so calling them 'members' is a stretch. The attack itself is both stupid and sick, if indeed the source is telling the truth about it. Absolutely should throw the book at em if that's what happened.