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Is this attack justifiable?

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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:14 pm

The Nose Tribe wrote:Deal with the terrorists properly, open fire the next time.

I see you're new to these parts, stranger. We have what you might call a rule around here about advocating death. Don't do it. This has been your one and only good-natured nudge.
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Postby Valgora » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:16 pm

Wallenburg wrote:I'd like to point out the guy in orange in the left of the video frame, who seems genuinely concerned for the victim unlike pretty much all the other bystanders, and based on his body language appears to leave to find help at the end of the video. Kudos to guy in orange.


As is usual for large groups of people - The Bystander Effect: believing that someone else will help due to the number of people around.
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Postby Huntpublic » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:18 pm

The Nose Tribe wrote:Deal with the terrorists properly, open fire the next time.

Yikes
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:19 pm

That's it, boys. Declare antifa a terrorist organisation, tap the communications of suspected sympathisers, and send all confirmed supporters to reeducation camps.
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:20 pm

Vassenor wrote:
So you want to demonise anyone who calls themselves anti-fascist based on the actions of exactly two people?


I think it brings the popular Antifa philosophy of jumping to violent action first to defeat perceived fascists into question, at the very least.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:21 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:That's it, boys. Declare antifa a terrorist organisation, tap the communications of suspected sympathisers, and send all confirmed supporters to reeducation camps.

It should have been declared a terrorist organization after Berkeley, shm
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:21 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So you want to demonise anyone who calls themselves anti-fascist based on the actions of exactly two people?

I think it brings the popular Antifa philosophy of jumping to violent action first to defeat perceived fascists into question, at the very least.

Or, perhaps, it's just a handful of violent people, just like the evidence would suggest.
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Postby Valgora » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:22 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:That's it, boys. Declare antifa a terrorist organisation, tap the communications of suspected sympathisers, and send all confirmed supporters to reeducation camps.

It should have been declared a terrorist organization after Berkeley, shm

Can't really declare something that ain't an organization a terrorist organization.
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Postby The Burke Islands » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:22 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:That's it, boys. Declare antifa a terrorist organisation, tap the communications of suspected sympathisers, and send all confirmed supporters to reeducation camps.

Name checks out.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:23 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:That's it, boys. Declare antifa a terrorist organisation, tap the communications of suspected sympathisers, and send all confirmed supporters to reeducation camps.

It should have been declared a terrorist organization after Berkeley, shm

That's impossible, antifa isn't an organisation.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:23 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:That's it, boys. Declare antifa a terrorist organisation, tap the communications of suspected sympathisers, and send all confirmed supporters to reeducation camps.

That's not what I support. What I support is people who engage in violence like this to be put in prison.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:24 pm

Valgora wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:It should have been declared a terrorist organization after Berkeley, shm

Can't really declare something that ain't an organization a terrorist organization.

That's fair, they're more of a disorganized group of self-righteous bands
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:25 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Valgora wrote:Can't really declare something that ain't an organization a terrorist organization.

That's fair, they're more of a disorganized group of self-righteous bands

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Postby Valgora » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:25 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:That's it, boys. Declare antifa a terrorist organisation, tap the communications of suspected sympathisers, and send all confirmed supporters to reeducation camps.

That's not what I support. What I support is people who engage in violence like this to be put in prison.


If that's it, you should change the name of the topic since it appears that only two people were involved.
So saying "Antifa attacks liberal over American Flag" is wrong.
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Postby Huntpublic » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:25 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:That's it, boys. Declare antifa a terrorist organisation, tap the communications of suspected sympathisers, and send all confirmed supporters to reeducation camps.

It should have been declared a terrorist organization after Berkeley, shm


what the "shake head my"?

heh lol
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:26 pm

Valgora wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:It should have been declared a terrorist organization after Berkeley, shm

Can't really declare something that ain't an organization a terrorist organization.


Decentralized networks are still a form of organization. They seek to prevent the free assembly of other groups through violence and they attack noncombatants. Terrorists. Sympathisers can be rooted out through monitoring online activity. Get the waterboard.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:26 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:That's it, boys. Declare antifa a terrorist organisation, tap the communications of suspected sympathisers, and send all confirmed supporters to reeducation camps.

It should have been declared a terrorist organization after Berkeley, shm


...Wait why do you want someone to punch you? :eyebrow:
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:27 pm

Huntpublic wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:It should have been declared a terrorist organization after Berkeley, shm


what the "shake head my"?

heh lol

It's an old Greek technique when your so disappointed your head shakes your my.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:27 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:It should have been declared a terrorist organization after Berkeley, shm


...Wait why do you want someone to punch you? :eyebrow:

...

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:27 pm

Valgora wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:That's not what I support. What I support is people who engage in violence like this to be put in prison.


If that's it, you should change the name of the topic since it appears that only two people were involved.
So saying "Antifa attacks liberal over American Flag" is wrong.

I would say antifa members, but apparently even that would be problematic to some of the more extreme players posting in this thread.

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Postby Fahran » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:28 pm

Violent anarchist/communist extremists have no respect for American national symbols or civil democracy. News at 11.

And, before the "not all Antifa" people chime in, I'm going to point out that Antifa is an umbrella association employed to tie together a multitude of disparate groups and that my comment is by no means intended to discredit all of them without qualification. It does, however, raise the question of whether or not unequivocally supporting all groups identified as Antifa because "they only beat up fascists and racists" is a prudent approach to activism. We should all be aware by now that some of these groups are explicitly motivated by revolutionary socialist ideologies and that they dislike America as a nation. Perhaps discouraging violence and political extremism in general and allowing the police to crackdown on violent felons and rioters is a better approach to this than giving tacit support to a bunch of left-wing street brawlers because the right-wing street brawlers scare you more?
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Postby Valgora » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:29 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Valgora wrote:Can't really declare something that ain't an organization a terrorist organization.


Decentralized networks are still a form of organization. They seek to prevent the free assembly of other groups through violence and they attack noncombatants. Terrorists. Sympathisers can be rooted out through monitoring online activity. Get the waterboard.

A form of organization doesn't make something an organization.
Antifa is a movement which has groups in it.
So Antifa itself ain't an organization/a group.
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Postby Huntpublic » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:30 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Huntpublic wrote:
what the "shake head my"?

heh lol

It's an old Greek technique when your so disappointed your head shakes your my.


I need to learn that technique, it seems more effective than constantly facepalming. Man, after a while your hand leaves an impression on your face. xD
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:30 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Valgora wrote:
If that's it, you should change the name of the topic since it appears that only two people were involved.
So saying "Antifa attacks liberal over American Flag" is wrong.

I would say antifa members, but apparently even that would be problematic to some of the more extreme players posting in this thread.


I mean your source doesn't even draw any link between them and the wider Antifa concept. Just says they called the US flag a fascist symbol.
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Postby Estonland » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:30 pm

Awfully deceptive thread created to pick fights. Why make a post about this 3 months after the incient?You're just tryna bait people into a flamewar.
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