Antifa Attacks Liberal Over American Flag.

[Liriena]

"Your group" lmao

LiberNovusAmericae, your bias is showing.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Stop deflecting.

I'm not deflecting. I'm questioning OP's motives. The story itself doesn't seem disputable in the least, and the attackers sound like absolute shitheads who did something stupid and awful in the name of left-wing ideas, and as someone on the left I gladly disown them.

But it's a three-months-old story about a single, relatively minor incident that wasn't even a premeditated act of political violence.

Honestly it could’ve been compiled into a big giant OP discussing political violence and its increasing trends

[Liriena]

I'm not deflecting. I'm questioning OP's motives. The story itself doesn't seem disputable in the least, and the attackers sound like absolute shitheads who did something stupid and awful in the name of left-wing ideas, and as someone on the left I gladly disown them.

But it's a three-months-old story about a single, relatively minor incident that wasn't even a premeditated act of political violence.

Honestly it could’ve been compiled into a big giant OP discussing political violence and its increasing trends

It definitely would have been a lot less suspicious if it'd been included in that way. But alas, OP either didn't think of that... or just didn't want to do that because their goal was to get some easy left-bashing going.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Sure. Terrorists.

That is not the type of anti-fascist that we are discussing here, and you know that. Antifa is a violent communist group, and just because its name is a shortened version of antifascist, doesn't mean that everyone critical of fascism falls under it.

[Fahran]

I'm not deflecting. I'm questioning OP's motives.

So we're talking about the OP instead of the implicit argument? That's a deflection from the argument.

The story itself doesn't seem disputable in the least, and the attackers sound like absolute shitheads who did something stupid and awful in the name of left-wing ideas, and as someone on the left I gladly disown them.

Excellent. Do you think that political violence should be deplored whenever it pops up?

But it's a three-months-old story about a single, relatively minor incident that wasn't even a premeditated act of political violence.

By members of a loose affiliation of people who routinely bring bats wrapped in barbed wire to protests.

[Liriena]

Sure. Terrorists.

That is not the type of anti-fascist that we are discussing here, and you know that. Antifa is a violent communist group, and just because its name is a shortened version of antifascist, doesn't mean that everyone critical of fascism falls under it.

Antifa isn't "a violent communist group". It's a type of organization, and one that doesn't exclusively revolve around fash-bashing (although it definitely is the most eye-catching part of it, for better or worse).

[LiberNovusAmericae]

That is not the type of anti-fascist that we are discussing here, and you know that. Antifa is a violent communist group, and just because its name is a shortened version of antifascist, doesn't mean that everyone critical of fascism falls under it.

Antifa isn't "a violent communist group". It's a type of organization, and one that doesn't exclusively revolve around fash-bashing (although it definitely is the most eye-catching part of it, for better or worse).

Well, the violent "fashbashers" are who I'm criticizing. Not everyone critical of fascism, because I hate fascism myself.

[Scomagia]

Stop deflecting.

I'm not deflecting. I'm questioning OP's motives. The story itself doesn't seem disputable in the least, and the attackers sound like absolute shitheads who did something stupid and awful in the name of left-wing ideas, and as someone on the left I gladly disown them.

But it's a three-months-old story about a single, relatively minor incident that wasn't even a premeditated act of political violence.

You are deflecting by questioning the age of the story instead of discussing the story itself.

And it may not have been premeditated but it sure as fuck was an act of political violence.

[Hamstan]

Sure. Terrorists.

I was IN a militia cell with close ties to Antifa that has used the Antifa label several times. I can tell you without a doubt they are domestic terrorists. Hell, most of them call themselves revolutionaries. I'm glad I got out of that line of thinking, because if I did not, I would probably be at a protest or planning one, ready to throw a punch at the next "fascist" I see.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

"Your group" lmao

LiberNovusAmericae, your bias is showing.

Says the person who's bias never shows.

[Kubumba Tribe]

You strawman other posters, and then play the victim when they retaliate. Stop being a hypocrite.

You posted a months old story about violence by unidentified people and called it "Antifa attacks liberal over American Flag". Stop pushing fascist propaganda.

He's/she's not, it's just inaccurate information.

And what was the need to bring up a story from three months ago?

Let's go deeper, what is the need for us to even exist? It's to fight fascism worship Allah SWT.

Ftfy

You posted a months old story about violence by unidentified people and called it "Antifa attacks liberal over American Flag". Stop pushing fascist propaganda.

I see that you're not even going to condemn this incident, and you're going to go to the end of the universe to defend your group no matter what.

Antifa attacks someone for carrying american flag, huh? Yeah, they can get pretty aggressive sometimes, but that is just too far fetched. I personally suspect some sort of false flag operation.

Not everything abhorrent that your group does is due to a false flag operation.

>"your group"
How do you know that these people are part of an antifa group?

My opinion is that right-wingers must be really starving for good "muh antifa" fear-mongering fuel if the best you can come up with is a story from three months ago where a small handful of people tried to steal some guy's flag lol

Meanwhile, you had three deadly far right acts of terror in just the past two weeks, plus a far right serial bomber.

Right-winger here, I'm ok with most of antifa. Am also against far-right terrorism.

I'm not saying the story is fascist propaganda. I'm saying that you are posting it to push the fascist narrative of Antifa being a terrible threat to innocent people. I don't think you're a fascist either, I think you're just credulous. Gullible. Someone told you about this terrorist organisation called Antifa and you believed them and now you're trying to tell us. Maybe you think there really is a threat to ordinary Americans. Or maybe you think posting stories about evil "members of Antifa" will own the libs or something like that.

I've seen videos of them attacking innocent people; one such video you refused to even click on in a different thread. I normally don't trust claims without evidence, and thus used to support antifa to a degree as defenders against fascism. Now, I see them as what they are. They are terrorists.

Every single antifa member is a terrorist?

Antifa is a violent communist group

Depends on which group you're talking about.

[Cekoviu]

But antifa is made up of liberals!!!11!

[Ifreann]

"Your group" lmao

LiberNovusAmericae, your bias is showing.

I've been to one protest in my life, and that was against increases to fees for third level education. But somehow I am part of an American terrorist organisation.


Wait, is LNA saying I'm a terrorist?

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Sure. Terrorists.

That is not the type of anti-fascist that we are discussing here, and you know that.

I know that Hope Not Hate is not the type of anti-fascism you want to talk about.

Antifa is a violent communist group, and just because its name is a shortened version of antifascist, doesn't mean that everyone critical of fascism falls under it.

Antifa isn't communist.

[Hamstan]

Antifa isn't communist.

Maybe not all of them, but most of them are, especially the group I was in

[Cekoviu]

"Your group" lmao

LiberNovusAmericae, your bias is showing.

I've been to one protest in my life, and that was against increases to fees for third level education. But somehow I am part of an American terrorist organisation.


Wait, is LNA saying I'm a terrorist?

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That is not the type of anti-fascist that we are discussing here, and you know that.

I know that Hope Not Hate is not the type of anti-fascism you want to talk about.

Hope Not Hate has actually done some doxxing stuff iirc and that is definitely an issue.

Antifa is a violent communist group, and just because its name is a shortened version of antifascist, doesn't mean that everyone critical of fascism falls under it.

Antifa isn't communist.

What would you say it is then?

[Cekoviu]

Antifa isn't communist.

Maybe not all of them, but most of them are, especially the group I was in

Yeah, I was under the impression that most organizations under the moniker of "Antifa" are anarcho-communist.

[Liriena]

I'm not deflecting. I'm questioning OP's motives.

So we're talking about the OP instead of the implicit argument? That's a deflection from the argument.

We're talking about the context in which the implicit argument is being made raising a red flag in terms of OP's honesty in their approach.

Again, a relatively minor three months old story. It's an old storm in a tea cup.

The story itself doesn't seem disputable in the least, and the attackers sound like absolute shitheads who did something stupid and awful in the name of left-wing ideas, and as someone on the left I gladly disown them.

Excellent. Do you think that political violence should be deplored whenever it pops up?

I deplore any violence that is not in self-defense as a matter of principle. However, I also acknowledge that the liberal and conservative condemnation of political violence is itself hypocritical and ineffective from a hystorical perspective.

But it's a three-months-old story about a single, relatively minor incident that wasn't even a premeditated act of political violence.

By members of a loose affiliation of people who routinely bring bats wrapped in barbed wire to protests.

Right-wingers march with firearms all the time. Sometimes, a right-winger will shoot innocent people. And yet, would you not find it suspicious if I suddenly decided to start a thread on one minor, non-lethal incident involving an armed right winger, specially in a week dominated by, say, deadly premeditated left-wing terrorism?

[Fahran]

But antifa is made up of liberals!!!11!

Antifa as a rule is illiberal. The principal organizers of groups that use that label are communists, anarchists, and revolutionary socialists.

[Liriena]

"Your group" lmao

LiberNovusAmericae, your bias is showing.

Says the person who's bias never shows.

I'm honest about my bias.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Wait, is LNA saying I'm a terrorist?

Welcome to the club.

[Scomagia]

So we're talking about the OP instead of the implicit argument? That's a deflection from the argument.

We're talking about the context in which the implicit argument is being made raising a red flag in terms of OP's honesty in their approach.

Again, a relatively minor three months old story. It's an old storm in a tea cup.

Excellent. Do you think that political violence should be deplored whenever it pops up?

I deplore any violence that is not in self-defense as a matter of principle. However, I also acknowledge that the liberal and conservative condemnation of political violence is itself hypocritical and ineffective from a hystorical perspective.

By members of a loose affiliation of people who routinely bring bats wrapped in barbed wire to protests.

Right-wingers march with firearms all the time. Sometimes, a right-winger will shoot innocent people. And yet, would you not find it suspicious if I suddenly decided to start a thread on one minor, non-lethal incident involving an armed right winger, specially in a week dominated by, say, deadly premeditated left-wing terrorism?

It isn't a minor story. It's battery and potentially attempted murder committed for political reasons.

[Cekoviu]

But antifa is made up of liberals!!!11!

Antifa as a rule is illiberal. The principal organizers of groups that use that label are communists, anarchists, and revolutionary socialists.

Yes. I was saying it ironically, as is demonstrated by the use of 1s where exclamation points should be.

[Liriena]

I'm not deflecting. I'm questioning OP's motives. The story itself doesn't seem disputable in the least, and the attackers sound like absolute shitheads who did something stupid and awful in the name of left-wing ideas, and as someone on the left I gladly disown them.

But it's a three-months-old story about a single, relatively minor incident that wasn't even a premeditated act of political violence.

You are deflecting by questioning the age of the story instead of discussing the story itself.

I'm questioning the use of the story as a starting point for a discussion on political violence by virtue of it being both old and minor.

And it may not have been premeditated but it sure as fuck was an act of political violence.

It was a heated gaming moment :^)

[Rojava Free State]

We live in a society where a war is taking place between people who burn our flag, and people who claim to love it but may as well burn it too since they think the current president can just abolish all of our rights. And the real patriots stand by and watch as the crazies fight for our country, and no matter which side wins, we lose.

[Liriena]

We live in a society where a war is taking place between people who burn our flag, and people who claim to love it but may as well burn it too since they think the current president can just abolish all of our rights. And the real patriots stand by and watch as the crazies fight for our country, and no matter which side wins, we lose.

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