Antifa Attacks Liberal Over American Flag.

[Chan Island]

I see that you're not even going to condemn this incident, and your going to go to the end of the universe to defend your group no matter what.

Not everything abhorrent that your group does is due to a false flag operation.

>Lack of explicit condemnation is tacit support

Everybody drink.

Can't. I don't have a pint because they don't give any at the polls.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

>Lack of explicit condemnation is tacit support

Everybody drink.

He does support antifa. I know this due to a conversation I had with him in another thread.

[Vassenor]

>Lack of explicit condemnation is tacit support

Everybody drink.

Deflection = 100

So what is the deflection there?

[Kubra]

omg the other day at the bar I heard 2 guys discussing how much they disliked antifa and then when they left they didn't tip
Why do you people never tip your servers???????

[Liriena]

My opinion is that right-wingers must be really starving for good "muh antifa" fear-mongering fuel if the best you can come up with is a story from three months ago where a small handful of people tried to steal some guy's flag lol

Meanwhile, you had three deadly far right acts of terror in just the past two weeks, plus a far right serial bomber.

[The Black Party]

Deflection = 100

So what is the deflection there?

Everybody ready for round two?

[Fahran]

>Lack of explicit condemnation is tacit support

Everybody drink.

Wasn't this argument used quite rightly when Trump didn't disavow white nationalists?

[Trumptonium1]

omg the other day at the bar I heard 2 guys discussing how much they disliked antifa and then when they left they didn't tip
Why do you people never tip your servers???????

because servers are poor and probably on the balance of probabilities vote democrat

[Vassenor]

>Lack of explicit condemnation is tacit support

Everybody drink.

Wasn't this argument used quite rightly when Trump didn't disavow white nationalists?

Mainly in the sense that the White Nats turned it on themselves to prove that he supported them.

[Trumptonium1]

>Lack of explicit condemnation is tacit support

Everybody drink.

Wasn't this argument used quite rightly when Trump didn't disavow white nationalists?

More ironically, Vassenor said Trump should condemn them all [present] or he's enabling fascists

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[LiberNovusAmericae]

What is the thought process there? The site I quoted is not fascist; this really happened. Sorry if this upsets you, but there is nothing fascist going on here.

I'm not saying the story is fascist propaganda. I'm saying that you are posting it to push the fascist narrative of Antifa being a terrible threat to innocent people. I don't think you're a fascist either, I think you're just credulous. Gullible. Someone told you about this terrorist organisation called Antifa and you believed them and now you're trying to tell us. Maybe you think there really is a threat to ordinary Americans. Or maybe you think posting stories about evil "members of Antifa" will own the libs or something like that.

I've seen videos of them attacking innocent people; one such video you refused to even click on in a different thread. I normally don't trust claims without evidence, and thus used to support antifa to a degree as defenders against fascism. Now, I see them as what they are. They are terrorists.

[Kubra]

omg the other day at the bar I heard 2 guys discussing how much they disliked antifa and then when they left they didn't tip
Why do you people never tip your servers???????

because servers are poor and probably on the balance of probabilities vote democrat

but if you tip a server well enough they'll be rich enough to vote republican

[The Black Party]

More ironically, Vassenor said Trump should condemn them all [present] or he's enabling fascists

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Thank you for your service to NationStates

*salutes

[Scomagia]

I see that you're not even going to condemn this incident, and your going to go to the end of the universe to defend your group no matter what.

Not everything abhorrent that your group does is due to a false flag operation.

>Lack of explicit condemnation is tacit support

Everybody drink.

Wait...haven't I seen people do exactly the same thing with regards to Trump, the GOP, etc?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

My opinion is that right-wingers must be really starving for good "muh antifa" fear-mongering fuel if the best you can come up with is a story from three months ago where a small handful of people tried to steal some guy's flag lol

Meanwhile, you had three deadly far right acts of terror in just the past two weeks, plus a far right serial bomber.

So, because there was a terrorist attack by right-wingers we shouldn't be allowed to criticize violence on the left. That's bullshit, also the guy ended up in the hospital, so I don't see how you can find that funny.

[Chan Island]

omg the other day at the bar I heard 2 guys discussing how much they disliked antifa and then when they left they didn't tip
Why do you people never tip your servers???????

because servers are poor and probably on the balance of probabilities vote democrat

Charming.

[Scomagia]

My opinion is that right-wingers must be really starving for good "muh antifa" fear-mongering fuel if the best you can come up with is a story from three months ago where a small handful of people tried to steal some guy's flag lol

Meanwhile, you had three deadly far right acts of terror in just the past two weeks, plus a far right serial bomber.

Stop deflecting.

And hitting someone in the back if the head with a weapon isn't just "trying to steal some guy's flag". It's battery and possibly attempted murder.

[Vassenor]

More ironically, Vassenor said Trump should condemn them all [present] or he's enabling fascists

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Thank you for your service to NationStates

*salutes

I didn't know misquotation was a service now.

Trump was asked to condemn what the fascists did. He went for BUT BOTH SIDES rather than actually condemning it. A day after, he walked that back, calling the fascists "very fine people" to the point where Spencer and co celebrated what they saw as Trump siding with them..

So where is the reference to Trump enabling fascists in that post?

[Straite]

The no-true-scotsman is strong in the left whether it's antifa or feminists.

Supporting a group that advocates public violence makes you an advocate of public violence. Plain & simple.

Saying "but they're just really anti fascist!" doesn't help you. You can be 'anti' something without covering your face & carrying weapons (& using them mind you).

[LiberNovusAmericae]

My opinion is that right-wingers must be really starving for good "muh antifa" fear-mongering fuel if the best you can come up with is a story from three months ago where a small handful of people tried to steal some guy's flag lol

Meanwhile, you had three deadly far right acts of terror in just the past two weeks, plus a far right serial bomber.

Stop deflecting.

And hitting someone in the back if the head with a weapon isn't just "trying to steal some guy's flag". It's battery and possibly attempted murder.

Don't expect Liriena to bother reading the article or OP, because that would require too much effort.

[Liriena]

My opinion is that right-wingers must be really starving for good "muh antifa" fear-mongering fuel if the best you can come up with is a story from three months ago where a small handful of people tried to steal some guy's flag lol

Meanwhile, you had three deadly far right acts of terror in just the past two weeks, plus a far right serial bomber.

So, because there was a terrorist attack by right-wingers we shouldn't be allowed to criticize violence on the left.

Not my argument, dude. You can certainly criticize left-wing violence, but the timing and nature of this particular example you are using is suspicious. It's a rather old story, a relatively minor one at that. In a context in which the most pressing and most dramatic expressions of extremism in recent memory have been three acts of far right terror, it raises questions about your motivations that you felt it was so important, so necessary, to start a thread on "antifa attacked liberal over American flag in August".

That's bullshit, also the guy ended up in the hospital, so I don't see how you can find that funny.

It's not the fact that he was hurt that I find funny (it isn't). It's the fact that you had to scrape the bottom of the barrell of scary antifa stories to start a discussion on antifa violence.

[Ifreann]

You posted a months old story about violence by unidentified people and called it "Antifa attacks liberal over American Flag". Stop pushing fascist propaganda.

I'm not saying the story is fascist propaganda. I'm saying that you are posting it to push the fascist narrative of Antifa being a terrible threat to innocent people.

so by posting what is "not fascist propaganda" he is somehow "pushing fascist propaganda"?

Yes, in how he frames the story as being about "members of Antifa", when in fact the perpetrators cannot be identified.

I think maybe you're the fascist for not wanting the story to be posted in the first place.

Fascinating analysis.

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You posted a months old story about violence by unidentified people and called it "Antifa attacks liberal over American Flag". Stop pushing fascist propaganda.

I see that you're not even going to condemn this incident,

Have you condemned the MAGA bomber? The synagogue shooting? The racist shooting at a grocery store?

If the game you wanna play is that people need to explicitly say that they condemn every violent thing that happens then we're all gonna be here posting "I condemn" until the sun explodes.

and you're going to go to the end of the universe to defend your group no matter what.

My group? Who the fuck is my group? I'm not affiliated with any group in America. Why would I be? I live a whole ocean away.

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>Lack of explicit condemnation is tacit support

Everybody drink.

He does support antifa. I know this due to a conversation I had with him in another thread.

I don't believe I've ever said anything to that effect.

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I'm not saying the story is fascist propaganda. I'm saying that you are posting it to push the fascist narrative of Antifa being a terrible threat to innocent people. I don't think you're a fascist either, I think you're just credulous. Gullible. Someone told you about this terrorist organisation called Antifa and you believed them and now you're trying to tell us. Maybe you think there really is a threat to ordinary Americans. Or maybe you think posting stories about evil "members of Antifa" will own the libs or something like that.

I've seen videos of them attacking innocent people; one such video you refused to even click on in a different thread. I normally don't trust claims without evidence, and thus used to support antifa to a degree as defenders against fascism. Now, I see them as what they are. They are terrorists.

Sure. Terrorists.

[Fahran]

Mainly in the sense that the White Nats turned it on themselves to prove that he supported them.

Do you think that some violent leftists might interpret your own rhetoric as supporting their ideology and methods? As I've stated previously, many people here have made arguments that more or less lead logically to this point and even farther.

> Violence is a legitimate response to violence.
> Certain types of speech are a form of violence.
> Therefore, you may employ physical violence to halt rhetorical violence.
> America is based on white supremacy, capitalism, patriarchy, and imperialism.
> American symbols thus represent white supremacy, capitalism, patriarchy, and imperialism.
> These are systems based on violence, making speech associated with them violence.
> Therefore, you may employ physical violence against someone holding an American flag.

[Liriena]

My opinion is that right-wingers must be really starving for good "muh antifa" fear-mongering fuel if the best you can come up with is a story from three months ago where a small handful of people tried to steal some guy's flag lol

Meanwhile, you had three deadly far right acts of terror in just the past two weeks, plus a far right serial bomber.

Stop deflecting.

I'm not deflecting. I'm questioning OP's motives. The story itself doesn't seem disputable in the least, and the attackers sound like absolute shitheads who did something stupid and awful in the name of left-wing ideas, and as someone on the left I gladly disown them.

But it's a three-months-old story about a single, relatively minor incident that wasn't even a premeditated act of political violence.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Counter Protests, are silly. Although what’s sillier is “attacking your own side”.

Overall my view on counterprotests thus far, intensifies the protests. It’s like putting two people who hate each other into a room and not expecting them to fight. Which is what this led to, but clearly some people have even more extreme views, and views a wider category of people as “the enemy”