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Is this attack justifiable?

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Postby The Black Party » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:11 pm

Vassenor wrote:And what was the need to bring up a story from three months ago?

Let's go deeper, what is the need for us to even exist? It's to fight fascism.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:12 pm

Vassenor wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:What is the thought process there? The site I quoted is not fascist; this really happened. Sorry if this upsets you, but there is nothing fascist going on here.


And what was the need to bring up a story from three months ago?

I don't know, maybe it's because it was barely covered, and almost no one knows that this happened.

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Postby Chan Island » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:13 pm

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At least it's one of the best places out of a bubble nowadays. You get to see the left and right scream at each other and you've got your perspectives sorted. ;)

I guess that's one way to look at it. I applaud your optimism.


I am a chronically optimistic person. It's very easy to be so when you lower your expectations enough. :p
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Postby Kubra » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:14 pm

A cashier who I knew to be a libertarian shortchanged me at the grocery store, I think this is indicative of something broader in libertarian sorts: they're change hoarders. To a man.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:15 pm

Vassenor wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:What is the thought process there? The site I quoted is not fascist; this really happened. Sorry if this upsets you, but there is nothing fascist going on here.


And what was the need to bring up a story from three months ago?

For discussion? Jesus, discuss the topic and stop deflecting. The age of the incident is immaterial to actually...you know...discussing it.
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Postby The Isle of Beithe » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:15 pm

Kubra wrote:A cashier who I knew to be a libertarian shortchanged me at the grocery store, I think this is indicative of something broader in libertarian sorts: they're change hoarders. To a man.


Am libertarian. Can confirm.
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Postby The Black Party » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:15 pm

Kubra wrote:A cashier who I knew to be a libertarian shortchanged me at the grocery store, I think this is indicative of something broader in libertarian sorts: they're change hoarders. To a man.

Agreed. This one time, an Alt-Right Nazi rammed his car into my house, almost killing my family. I knew from that day onwards, that everyone in the Alt-Right are vehicle ramming fascists.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:16 pm

Scomagia wrote:
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And what was the need to bring up a story from three months ago?

For discussion? Jesus, discuss the topic and stop deflecting. The age of the incident is immaterial to actually...you know...discussing it.


I tried to and got jumped on it for not going about it in the way OP personally approves of.
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Postby Kubra » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:16 pm

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Kubra wrote:A cashier who I knew to be a libertarian shortchanged me at the grocery store, I think this is indicative of something broader in libertarian sorts: they're change hoarders. To a man.


Am libertarian. Can confirm.
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Postby The Black Party » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:17 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:And what was the need to bring up a story from three months ago?

For discussion? Jesus, discuss the topic and stop deflecting. The age of the incident is immaterial to actually...you know...discussing it.

I'd appreciate it if you'd stop making impossible demands of people.
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Postby Skyhooked » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:19 pm

Antifa attacks someone for carrying american flag, huh? Yeah, they can get pretty aggressive sometimes, but that is just too far fetched. I personally suspect some sort of false flag operation.
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Postby Kubra » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:19 pm

The Black Party wrote:
Kubra wrote:A cashier who I knew to be a libertarian shortchanged me at the grocery store, I think this is indicative of something broader in libertarian sorts: they're change hoarders. To a man.

Agreed. This one time, an Alt-Right Nazi rammed his car into my house, almost killing my family. I knew from that day onwards, that everyone in the Alt-Right are vehicle ramming fascists.
buddy comparing shortchanging to attempted murder is uh, well that's a bit wide, innit?
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Postby Chan Island » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:19 pm

Kubra wrote:A cashier who I knew to be a libertarian shortchanged me at the grocery store, I think this is indicative of something broader in libertarian sorts: they're change hoarders. To a man.


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Postby Hamstan » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:19 pm

I used to be in Antifa. Make no mistake, they will do this kind of shit. A lot think everything to do with this country is bad. Some even think that this era is just the "beginning of revolution".

I'd also like to say, yes, there is a such thing as "members of Antifa". There is no one unifying organization, but several cells of like minded, for lack of a better term, revolutionaries who actively plan protests and other things. Some even have militia training sorta like the Michigan Militia, but not as intensive. Now, the majority of people who show up to the black bloc are just people who heard it on social media, but there are a few who are like this.

I'm glad I got out of this. Pretty much all of the ones who organize are commies of one form or another. They are all terrorists, in my mind, and I can't believe I was one of them.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:20 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You posted a months old story about violence by unidentified people and called it "Antifa attacks liberal over American Flag". Stop pushing fascist propaganda.

What is the thought process there? The site I quoted is not fascist; this really happened. Sorry if this upsets you, but there is nothing fascist going on here.

I'm not saying the story is fascist propaganda. I'm saying that you are posting it to push the fascist narrative of Antifa being a terrible threat to innocent people. I don't think you're a fascist either, I think you're just credulous. Gullible. Someone told you about this terrorist organisation called Antifa and you believed them and now you're trying to tell us. Maybe you think there really is a threat to ordinary Americans. Or maybe you think posting stories about evil "members of Antifa" will own the libs or something like that.

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Postby The Black Party » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:20 pm

Kubra wrote:buddy comparing shortchanging to attempted murder is uh, well that's a bit wide, innit?

bad hypothetical, I'll hold that L.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:22 pm

Chan Island wrote:
Scomagia wrote:I guess that's one way to look at it. I applaud your optimism.


I am a chronically optimistic person. It's very easy to be so when you lower your expectations enough. :p

Maybe you should give lessons.
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Postby The Black Party » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:22 pm

Ifreann wrote:You posted a months old story about violence by unidentified people and called it "Antifa attacks liberal over American Flag". Stop pushing fascist propaganda.

Ifreann wrote:I'm not saying the story is fascist propaganda. I'm saying that you are posting it to push the fascist narrative of Antifa being a terrible threat to innocent people.

so by posting what is "not fascist propaganda" he is somehow "pushing fascist propaganda"?

I think maybe you're the fascist for not wanting the story to be posted in the first place.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:23 pm

Ifreann wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:You strawman other posters, and then play the victim when they retaliate. Stop being a hypocrite.

You posted a months old story about violence by unidentified people and called it "Antifa attacks liberal over American Flag". Stop pushing fascist propaganda.

I see that you're not even going to condemn this incident, and you're going to go to the end of the universe to defend your group no matter what.
Skyhooked wrote:Antifa attacks someone for carrying american flag, huh? Yeah, they can get pretty aggressive sometimes, but that is just too far fetched. I personally suspect some sort of false flag operation.

Not everything abhorrent that your group does is due to a false flag operation.
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Postby Fahran » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:24 pm

Ifreann wrote:You posted a months old story

We're still discussing the causes and ramifications of Trump's election, an event that took place about two years ago. If we haven't had a thread on this subject and it's not years old, what harm is there in discussing it on the forums?

Ifreann wrote:about violence by unidentified people and called it "Antifa attacks liberal over American Flag". Stop pushing fascist propaganda.

We have a pretty good hunch about who these people were and the title appears to be a largely accurate description of the events that unfolded. It's hardly fascist propaganda. In any case, I doubt that The Oregonian is a fascist media outlet. If anything, they seem rather liberal in the American sense.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:24 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Scomagia wrote:For discussion? Jesus, discuss the topic and stop deflecting. The age of the incident is immaterial to actually...you know...discussing it.


I tried to and got jumped on it for not going about it in the way OP personally approves of.

So your solution instead is to not discuss the incident but rather the age of the incident? :eyebrow:
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:24 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You posted a months old story about violence by unidentified people and called it "Antifa attacks liberal over American Flag". Stop pushing fascist propaganda.

I see that you're not even going to condemn this incident, and your going to go to the end of the universe to defend your group no matter what.
Skyhooked wrote:Antifa attacks someone for carrying american flag, huh? Yeah, they can get pretty aggressive sometimes, but that is just too far fetched. I personally suspect some sort of false flag operation.

Not everything abhorrent that your group does is due to a false flag operation.


>Lack of explicit condemnation is tacit support

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Postby Chan Island » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:25 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
I am a chronically optimistic person. It's very easy to be so when you lower your expectations enough. :p

Maybe you should give lessons.


I literally do. :rofl:
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:26 pm

The Black Party wrote:
Scomagia wrote:For discussion? Jesus, discuss the topic and stop deflecting. The age of the incident is immaterial to actually...you know...discussing it.

I'd appreciate it if you'd stop making impossible demands of people.

Never.
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Postby The Black Party » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:26 pm

Vassenor wrote:>Lack of explicit condemnation is tacit support

Everybody drink.

Deflection = 100
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