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Is this attack justifiable?

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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:18 pm

Vassenor wrote:Still trying to shovel words into my mouth again, I see. :roll:

Vass, out of curiosity, would you agree with the contention that words are violence?
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:19 pm

Vassenor wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:#Imtriggeredthatanyonewouldcalloutantifa


Still trying to shovel words into my mouth again, I see. :roll:

Well that's what you fucking did. I just gave you a test of your own medicine. :roll: :roll:

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Postby Fahran » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:20 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Well that's what you fucking did. I just gave you a test of your own medicine. :roll: :roll:

There's no reason to be so heated. We can discuss this calmly, I'm sure.
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:21 pm

Fahran wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Still trying to shovel words into my mouth again, I see. :roll:

Vass, out of curiosity, would you agree with the contention that words are violence?

Apparently so.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:24 pm

LMAO the liberals in this thread. Glad to know that shitty partisan politics has truly arrived on NSG.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:24 pm

And now I'm confused. When did I become the subject of the thread?
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Postby The Burke Islands » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:25 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:LMAO the liberals in this thread. Glad to know that shitty partisan politics has truly arrived on NSG.

>calls out liberals
>complains about partisan politics
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Postby Northeast American Federation » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:25 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:LMAO the liberals in this thread. Glad to know that shitty partisan politics has truly arrived on NSG.

If you think it's been like this only recently, you must be new around here.
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Postby Fahran » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:25 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Apparently so.

Perhaps Vass has changed her mind? I'll allow her to answer. Once we grant, however, that speech is violence, it becomes easy to rationalize all manner of brutish conduct. Even the atrocities of Franco and Pinochet become acts of self-defense. And, soon after, all politics becomes naked force.

Vassenor wrote:And now I'm confused. When did I become the subject of the thread?

I'm attempting to refute your argument. I have to engage you to do that. It wasn't really my intention to have anyone aside from myself broaching the subject. My apologies if it was a bit jarring.

Northeast American Federation wrote:If you think it's been like this only recently, you must be new around here.

Costa is actually a pretty old poster.
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"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:28 pm

Vassenor wrote:And now I'm confused. When did I become the subject of the thread?


Probably somewhere around the time when people started asking you questions about what your position on various things actually is and you just decided to outright ignore them to make drive-by strawmen, leading to others responding in kind as any honest debate is impossible when its reduced to a one-player game against someone who won't admit to any opinions.

You know, the usual.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:33 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
#factsandevidenceareoppression

#listenandbelieve

#Imtriggeredthatanyonewouldcalloutantifa

You didn't call out antifa.
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Postby The Black Party » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:33 pm

Vassenor wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:#Imtriggeredthatanyonewouldcalloutantifa


Still trying to shovel words into my mouth again, I see. :roll:

literally what you just did to us

I'm reaching levels of daftness that should not be possible
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:34 pm

Their fault for being a liberal.
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Postby The Black Party » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:34 pm

Vassenor wrote:And now I'm confused. When did I become the subject of the thread?

deflection = 100
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:36 pm

Northeast American Federation wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:LMAO the liberals in this thread. Glad to know that shitty partisan politics has truly arrived on NSG.

If you think it's been like this only recently, you must be new around here.


I've seen the descent into stupidity, now it's been finally confirmed for me.

The Burke Islands wrote:>calls out liberals
>complains about partisan politics
>mkay.gif


I'm not American and I like pointing out hypocrisy when I see it.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:36 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:Their fault for being a liberal.


You actually put effort into that?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:37 pm

The Black Party wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Still trying to shovel words into my mouth again, I see. :roll:

literally what you just did to us

I'm reaching levels of daftness that should not be possible


Stretch open all orifices to the maximum, the hypocrisy of the prophecy child shall fill all.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:37 pm

The Black Party wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Still trying to shovel words into my mouth again, I see. :roll:

literally what you just did to us

I'm reaching levels of daftness that should not be possible


I mean when someone says "I know this is wrong but I'm not going to change it"... :roll:
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Postby Chan Island » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:38 pm

Really stupid of those attackers, and I really hope they get punished to the fullest extent of the law. The American flag isn't an exclusively right wing symbol, no matter how much idiots like those violent thugs think it might be.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:39 pm

Gotta love the gaslighting in this thread. Violent assaults by some people are demonstrations of the violence inherent to their group, yet violence from members of groups you support are only the actions of bad actors. Or the group simply doesn't really exist.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:40 pm

Scomagia wrote:Gotta love the gaslighting in this thread. Violent assaults by some people are demonstrations of the violence inherent to their group, yet violence from members of groups you support are only the actions of bad actors. Or the group simply doesn't really exist.

This ^^

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Postby Trumptonium1 » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:41 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:Their fault for being a liberal.


You actually put effort into that?


Bashing the libs is worth minimal effort at least. For fidelity to society if nothing else.
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Postby East Angria » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:41 pm

Annihitor the Incred";p="34872431"That tends to happen when the supposed anti-fascists use brown shirt tactics straight out of Hitler's and Mussolini's playbook.[/quote]
This baseless claim right here needs a citation. Point me to examples of antifascist protesters starting a blitzkrieg, burning a synagogue, executing Gleichschaltung from the top down, and deporting minorities to forced labor and extinction camps. Because none of this happens. Antifascism is any action that goes against these atrocities. Fascism is anything that promotes them. It is really that simple.

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>a few Nazi assholes go to Charlottesville, one of said assholes drives into people
"All right wingers are Nazi racists who want to drive cars into people! They must all be driven from society immediately for being fascists!"

I know it's much easier arguing against strawmen, but it isn't really helping your cause. The left isn't really a monolithic mass of people who all share the same set of opinions.
Most people I know can clearly distinguish between "just a right-winger" and "full-on nazi", and treat those people accordingly. Nobody claims that someone like, say, Jordan Peterson should be considered a threat like Anders Breivik should be considered a threat.
What went on in Charlottesville was much more than just a few Nazi assholes having a parade. And terrorist attacks from fascist groups happen all the time. There is a legitimate threat to all of us from right-wing extremists such as fascists, nazis, KKK, white nationalists, white supremacists, etc.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:43 pm

Scomagia wrote:Gotta love the gaslighting in this thread. Violent assaults by some people are demonstrations of the violence inherent to their group, yet violence from members of groups you support are only the actions of bad actors. Or the group simply doesn't really exist.

Antifa doesn't exist as a group, correct.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:43 pm

Unithonia wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Al-Qaeda operated for some time with a fairly minimal central structure, lots of affiliated groups, and their active terror planners were subdivided cells with little contact from the centre, never stopped them being unproblematically accepted as terrorists.

This is an excuse primarily made by sympathisers. As part of the problems their opinion is invalid.

Agreed. I would also point to the IRA

The IRA, which had the Army Council?


The Black Forrest wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Did you know that wearing black and covering your face at a protest are not trademarked by Official Antifa HQ? Anyone can do it.


That's just crazy talk.

I'm a crazy man, speaking crazy truths.


LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Did you know that wearing black and covering your face at a protest are not trademarked by Official Antifa HQ? Anyone can do it.

Why don't you name another group on the left that dresses like that?

The black bloc. The police. Agents provocateur. Random people who just wear black.
Oh wait, such group does not exist.

Yes they do.


Costa Fierro wrote:LMAO the liberals in this thread. Glad to know that shitty partisan politics has truly arrived on NSG.

It's like you're new to this forum or something.


Vassenor wrote:And now I'm confused. When did I become the subject of the thread?

Have you not been paying attention? You're the subject of every thread.

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