Antifa Attacks Liberal Over American Flag.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Just like most anarchists, Antifa mostly consists of chapters, local militias and street gangs.

And all need to be crushed ruthlessly.

That would be hypocritical, wouldn’t it. Fighting violent pricks by being a violent prick?

[Harelia]

Not to mention the entire point of our government being built in the way it was designed was to PREVENT fascists from attaining power. That's why power within our government is split so heavily. So one person cannot sit at the desk and go 'I think I'll cause this genocide today. And maybe another tomorrow."

So you have faith that the government will hold to some center-left or center-right liberal democracy paradigm, and that fascists could never hope to seize power? I don't.

We're not going to see a Mussolini style coup. Fascists are content to spread their influence at first, and to elect people who use dog whistles, people who will not openly support fascism but are sympathetic to fascist ideology, whether consciously or unconsciously. Then, people who are openly fascist will run for office. Steve King is one of them, an out and proud white supremacist, and he's in Congress. Maybe next election cycle, they try to get maybe 5 more open fascists in Congress, and spread their ideology further so that non-fascist conservatives move further right. And then maybe the next election cycle, there are 10 more open fascists, and several more conservatives (and to be fair, liberals too) who are unwittingly helping them in their rise to power by normalizing them.

That's how it goes in America. It isn't a swift coup, nor is it one decisive election, it is the slow process of normalization and turning people who don't even realize they've been turned.

Except literally no dullard is going to sit there in their chair and go "Oh look, it's okay to murder blacks now. That's totally not an unlawful thing to do lets go do it."

A vast majority of the nation is going to jump out of their chairs and start marching up before the stairs of our government guns blazing. Especially with the Supreme Court for even allowing any unconstitutional bill to pass to begin with. There is no normalization of white supremacy. There's no normalization of any form of fascism. Once fascism comes about in government it will be recognized and snuffed out. Any who defend it and the tryannical government officials who put the regime in place will be put down. The wheat will be separated from the chaff and the regime will be toppled. The American people are the deciding factor to what happens in this nation. And if the government wants to say "We're doing this now" I'll be the first person to pick up a rifle and say "The fuck you ain't, sonny Jim."

[Astoriya]

Just like most anarchists, Antifa mostly consists of chapters, local militias and street gangs.

And all need to be crushed ruthlessly.

That'll cause even more dissent

[Ifreann]

Just applying your definition of fascism. Also way to stuff words into my mouth in a futile attempt to portray hypocrisy.

Wow....

Pot meet kettle.

The inauguration day protests were almost entirely peaceful and didn't have anything to do with anti-fascism. And what about Berkeley?


So you can't show me anyone from the Antifa Party standing for election.


If you think that there is no fascism in America then you are either wilfully blind or unable to recognise the most obvious symbols of fascism. Do you know what fasces are?


I'm sorry if it wasn't clear, but what I meant is that they aren't the literal textbook definition of terrorism. They aren't trying to terrorise the general public in order to have them pressure the government into acceding to their demands. They're just trying to stop fascists from doing fascism. Certainly they're willing to be violent, and maybe you think that that alone makes them terrorists. I'll point out that the main perpetrators of political violence are the police(the law is obviously political and they enforce it violently) and the military(war is the continuation of politics by other means, as the saying goes). America only exists because of the successful application of political violence, and you are hardly the only nation to secure independence violently.


I'm not doing either of those things, though.

I didn't know that causing 100,000 worth of property damage was considered peaceful. Silly me.

Yes, very silly. For nationwide protests by huge numbers of people, $100,000 of property damage does not suggest mass violence. Only a few hundred people were arrested and I think most of the charges have been dropped.

And yes, What about Berkeley beyond the fact Antifa can't stop assaulting people to the point that Jesse Arreguin is willing to list them as an official street gang?

Yes, what about Berkeley? You brought it up in response to me saying that antifa aren't trying to enact laws or policies. What are you trying to say? That the Berkeley protests were attempts to pass some law?

And it's funny you think running as a candidate is the only way to brute force a political stance. It's almost as if the entire definition of terrorism just doesn't even exist in that case....Huh.

I said, and you can go back and check if you don't remember, that antifa aren't trying to enact policies or pass laws. And I really should not need to explain to you that only the government can pass laws.

The only willfully blind person here is you if you think that denying the right to free speech is anywhere near laudable just because "it hurts my feelings."

Who said anything about free speech or feelings? What the fuck are you talking about?

Also the police are the terrorists now? Man, spoken like a true leftist, I guess.

I didn't say that the police are terrorists. I said that the police perpetrate political violence, as the law is political and they enforce it violently. I said this to refute the notion that all political violence is terrorism.

And not to burst your fragile bubble but

ter·ror·ism
/ˈterəˌrizəm/Submit
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

I'll refer you again to the American revolution and allow you to ponder whether George Washington was a terrorist.

Even the FBI says so.

The FBI seems to be conflating anti-fascism and anarchism. That or the reporters are.

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He says of the rally where a woman was murdered by a fascist, a fascist who was coincidentally photographed alongside another fascist who was later arrested on entirely separate terror charges.

A woman was murdered by a murderer. A murderer who has been charged with murder. Because he murdered.

And also he is a fascist. He was at a fascist rally, displaying fascist symbols, and ran his car into a crowd of anti-fascist protesters. Because he's a fucking fascist.

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So you have faith that the government will hold to some center-left or center-right liberal democracy paradigm, and that fascists could never hope to seize power? I don't.

We're not going to see a Mussolini style coup. Fascists are content to spread their influence at first, and to elect people who use dog whistles, people who will not openly support fascism but are sympathetic to fascist ideology, whether consciously or unconsciously. Then, people who are openly fascist will run for office. Steve King is one of them, an out and proud white supremacist, and he's in Congress. Maybe next election cycle, they try to get maybe 5 more open fascists in Congress, and spread their ideology further so that non-fascist conservatives move further right. And then maybe the next election cycle, there are 10 more open fascists, and several more conservatives (and to be fair, liberals too) who are unwittingly helping them in their rise to power by normalizing them.

That's how it goes in America. It isn't a swift coup, nor is it one decisive election, it is the slow process of normalization and turning people who don't even realize they've been turned.

Except literally no dullard is going to sit there in their chair and go "Oh look, it's okay to murder blacks now. That's totally not an unlawful thing to do lets go do it."

A vast majority of the nation is going to jump out of their chairs and start marching up before the stairs of our government guns blazing. Especially with the Supreme Court for even allowing any unconstitutional bill to pass to begin with. There is no normalization of white supremacy. There's no normalization of any form of fascism. Once fascism comes about in government it will be recognized and snuffed out. Any who defend it and the tryannical government officials who put the regime in place will be put down. The wheat will be separated from the chaff and the regime will be toppled. The American people are the deciding factor to what happens in this nation. And if the government wants to say "We're doing this now" I'll be the first person to pick up a rifle and say "The fuck you ain't, sonny Jim."

You keep on bringing up mass murder, as if mass murder is the only circumstance in which fascism becomes untenable. Again, I tell you: If we're at the point where killing minorities starts, that means we're several years, even decades too late. No one is going to wait for it to get that far.

You say that Americans would rise up against fascism if it ever got powerful, but ignoring it now is how they get powerful.

Imagine an oncologist saying "You know, if that tumor in your testicles metastasizes to your colon, lungs, and brain, we can do some chemo to keep you from dying." You don't wait for the cancer to metastasize in your brain. You don't wait for the tumor to become cancerous. You don't wait for the tumor to get bigger - you deal with the tumor immediately.

[Ifreann]

So you have faith that the government will hold to some center-left or center-right liberal democracy paradigm, and that fascists could never hope to seize power? I don't.

We're not going to see a Mussolini style coup. Fascists are content to spread their influence at first, and to elect people who use dog whistles, people who will not openly support fascism but are sympathetic to fascist ideology, whether consciously or unconsciously. Then, people who are openly fascist will run for office. Steve King is one of them, an out and proud white supremacist, and he's in Congress. Maybe next election cycle, they try to get maybe 5 more open fascists in Congress, and spread their ideology further so that non-fascist conservatives move further right. And then maybe the next election cycle, there are 10 more open fascists, and several more conservatives (and to be fair, liberals too) who are unwittingly helping them in their rise to power by normalizing them.

That's how it goes in America. It isn't a swift coup, nor is it one decisive election, it is the slow process of normalization and turning people who don't even realize they've been turned.

Except literally no dullard is going to sit there in their chair and go "Oh look, it's okay to murder blacks now. That's totally not an unlawful thing to do lets go do it."

Remember when lynching never happened in the United States?

[Harelia]

Wow....

Pot meet kettle.



I didn't know that causing 100,000 worth of property damage was considered peaceful. Silly me.

Yes, very silly. For nationwide protests by huge numbers of people, $100,000 of property damage does not suggest mass violence. Only a few hundred people were arrested and I think most of the charges have been dropped.

And yes, What about Berkeley beyond the fact Antifa can't stop assaulting people to the point that Jesse Arreguin is willing to list them as an official street gang?

Yes, what about Berkeley? You brought it up in response to me saying that antifa aren't trying to enact laws or policies. What are you trying to say? That the Berkeley protests were attempts to pass some law?

And it's funny you think running as a candidate is the only way to brute force a political stance. It's almost as if the entire definition of terrorism just doesn't even exist in that case....Huh.

I said, and you can go back and check if you don't remember, that antifa aren't trying to enact policies or pass laws. And I really should not need to explain to you that only the government can pass laws.

The only willfully blind person here is you if you think that denying the right to free speech is anywhere near laudable just because "it hurts my feelings."

Who said anything about free speech or feelings? What the fuck are you talking about?

Also the police are the terrorists now? Man, spoken like a true leftist, I guess.

I didn't say that the police are terrorists. I said that the police perpetrate political violence, as the law is political and they enforce it violently. I said this to refute the notion that all political violence is terrorism.

And not to burst your fragile bubble but

ter·ror·ism
/ˈterəˌrizəm/Submit
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

I'll refer you again to the American revolution and allow you to ponder whether George Washington was a terrorist.

Even the FBI says so.

The FBI seems to be conflating anti-fascism and anarchism. That or the reporters are.

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A woman was murdered by a murderer. A murderer who has been charged with murder. Because he murdered.

And also he is a fascist. He was at a fascist rally, displaying fascist symbols, and ran his car into a crowd of anti-fascist protesters. Because he's a fucking fascist.

My dude...There's blind, and then there's Daredevil blind.

[Napkiraly]

And all need to be crushed ruthlessly.

That would be hypocritical, wouldn’t it. Fighting violent pricks by being a violent prick?

Seemed to work in WW2.

[Alvecia]

Attacking them based on their political ideology isn’t necessarily bad depending on the ideology.

That's a remarkably illiberal perspective and, while it's not wrong, at least no more wrong than any other perspective vocalized here, it does lead quite easily down a slippery slope logically. My preference is to make political violence more limited and to maintain the state's monopoly on the use of force beyond instances of immediate self-defense. Why? Because I want to preserve strong, legitimate institutions in the belief that those foster a virtuous society and virtuous individuals.

If the ideology necessarily would cause potentially fatal harm to a persons, then again, violence here would fall under the aforementioned banner of self defense.

A white nationalist rally on its own cannot harm an individual physically or psychologically if it is ignored. Fighting the fascists vindicates their ideology. Ignoring them, except to print their faces to social media, makes them an object of ridicule. If on every occasion, we treated street brawlers as the criminals they are, instead of lionizing them and allowing them to feel like Achilles standing over Hector's mangled form, we'd soon find greater peace in our communities.

Using an overly broad but real world example, if we did arrest people for any-semitism, then we at least know that there would 11 less people dead.

We'd also arrest about ten percent of the American population and over ninety percent of the population in other countries.

I find that there are very few cases where a slope has actually become slippery.
Nor do I find it a particularly illiberal perspective to acknowledge that beyond the hard sciences, no rule is universal. Context is King.

Ignoring a problem is almost as dangerous as giving it too much attention. How long before they realise words aren’t doing the trick and turn to more violent methods of gaining our attention? Rally’s can be ignored. Deaths cannot.

There’s a reason I said it was an “overly broad” example. I’m not seriously suggesting we lock up every anti-Semite. Just pointing out a situation in which political violence would have literally saved lives.

[Harelia]

Except literally no dullard is going to sit there in their chair and go "Oh look, it's okay to murder blacks now. That's totally not an unlawful thing to do lets go do it."

A vast majority of the nation is going to jump out of their chairs and start marching up before the stairs of our government guns blazing. Especially with the Supreme Court for even allowing any unconstitutional bill to pass to begin with. There is no normalization of white supremacy. There's no normalization of any form of fascism. Once fascism comes about in government it will be recognized and snuffed out. Any who defend it and the tryannical government officials who put the regime in place will be put down. The wheat will be separated from the chaff and the regime will be toppled. The American people are the deciding factor to what happens in this nation. And if the government wants to say "We're doing this now" I'll be the first person to pick up a rifle and say "The fuck you ain't, sonny Jim."

You keep on bringing up mass murder, as if mass murder is the only circumstance in which fascism becomes untenable. Again, I tell you: If we're at the point where killing minorities starts, that means we're several years, even decades too late. No one is going to wait for it to get that far.

You say that Americans would rise up against fascism if it ever got powerful, but ignoring it now is how they get powerful.

Imagine an oncologist saying "You know, if that tumor in your testicles metastasizes to your colon, lungs, and brain, we can do some chemo to keep you from dying." You don't wait for the cancer to metastasize in your brain. You don't wait for the tumor to become cancerous. You don't wait for the tumor to get bigger - you deal with the tumor immediately.

Equating fighting supposed fascists with having a severe physical ailment is the absolute most gigantic sack of horse shit I've ever heard in my entire life. Even you're not that desperate now, come on.

We here in America have rights. Rights that shall not be infringed upon. And there is NO REASON to start beating the shit out of people and causing physical harm to individuals just because you suspect they may gain power. Every man, woman, and child has the right to live in America however they choose so long as it does not infringe upon the rights of other Americans. At no point have these supposed 'fascists' ever committed such infringement as to warrant some stupid and nonsensical witch hunt for the sake of "preventing fascism." That is an absolutely idiotic, morally corrupt, and mentally unsound way of thinking. And such stupid single mindedness is the entire reason innocent men, women, and children were burned at the stake years ago. You do not advocate physically harming and denying the rights of another individual solely on the basis that you "suspect" they will become a regime.

[Harelia]

Except literally no dullard is going to sit there in their chair and go "Oh look, it's okay to murder blacks now. That's totally not an unlawful thing to do lets go do it."

Remember when lynching never happened in the United States?

Remember when no one listened to the KKK and just ignored them, thus causing them to fade into history as just some obscure lunatic group that nobody cares about instead of giving them a lionized platform to shout from by running up and beating the hell out of them just for talking?

[Alvecia]

You keep on bringing up mass murder, as if mass murder is the only circumstance in which fascism becomes untenable. Again, I tell you: If we're at the point where killing minorities starts, that means we're several years, even decades too late. No one is going to wait for it to get that far.

You say that Americans would rise up against fascism if it ever got powerful, but ignoring it now is how they get powerful.

Imagine an oncologist saying "You know, if that tumor in your testicles metastasizes to your colon, lungs, and brain, we can do some chemo to keep you from dying." You don't wait for the cancer to metastasize in your brain. You don't wait for the tumor to become cancerous. You don't wait for the tumor to get bigger - you deal with the tumor immediately.

Equating fighting supposed fascists with having a severe physical ailment is the absolute most gigantic sack of horse shit I've ever heard in my entire life. Even you're not that desperate now, come on.

We here in America have rights. Rights that shall not be infringed upon. And there is NO REASON to start beating the shit out of people and causing physical harm to individuals just because you suspect they may gain power. Every man, woman, and child has the right to live in America however they choose so long as it does not infringe upon the rights of other Americans. At no point have these supposed 'fascists' ever committed such infringement as to warrant some stupid and nonsensical witch hunt for the sake of "preventing fascism." That is an absolutely idiotic, morally corrupt, and mentally unsound way of thinking. And such stupid single mindedness is the entire reason innocent men, women, and children were burned at the stake years ago. You do not advocate physically harming and denying the rights of another individual solely on the basis that you "suspect" they will become a regime.

Those rights only exist at the behest of the government. An entirely fascist government would have no issue passing amendment after amendment until those rights disappear.

[Harelia]

That's a remarkably illiberal perspective and, while it's not wrong, at least no more wrong than any other perspective vocalized here, it does lead quite easily down a slippery slope logically. My preference is to make political violence more limited and to maintain the state's monopoly on the use of force beyond instances of immediate self-defense. Why? Because I want to preserve strong, legitimate institutions in the belief that those foster a virtuous society and virtuous individuals.


A white nationalist rally on its own cannot harm an individual physically or psychologically if it is ignored. Fighting the fascists vindicates their ideology. Ignoring them, except to print their faces to social media, makes them an object of ridicule. If on every occasion, we treated street brawlers as the criminals they are, instead of lionizing them and allowing them to feel like Achilles standing over Hector's mangled form, we'd soon find greater peace in our communities.


We'd also arrest about ten percent of the American population and over ninety percent of the population in other countries.

I find that there are very few cases where a slope has actually become slippery.
Nor do I find it a particularly illiberal perspective to acknowledge that beyond the hard sciences, no rule is universal. Context is King.

Ignoring a problem is almost as dangerous as giving it too much attention. How long before they realise words aren’t doing the trick and turn to more violent methods of gaining our attention? Rally’s can be ignored. Deaths cannot.

There’s a reason I said it was an “overly broad” example. I’m not seriously suggesting we lock up every anti-Semite. Just pointing out a situation in which political violence would have literally saved lives.

Except that would be suggesting that we deny people their American rights based on "preventative measures" which could essentially cause them to get an even bigger following. Or worse, become criminals even more over than what we perceived them as. How long until we start throwing people into jail because some white guy said "I prefer dating white women over asians."

[Harelia]

Equating fighting supposed fascists with having a severe physical ailment is the absolute most gigantic sack of horse shit I've ever heard in my entire life. Even you're not that desperate now, come on.

We here in America have rights. Rights that shall not be infringed upon. And there is NO REASON to start beating the shit out of people and causing physical harm to individuals just because you suspect they may gain power. Every man, woman, and child has the right to live in America however they choose so long as it does not infringe upon the rights of other Americans. At no point have these supposed 'fascists' ever committed such infringement as to warrant some stupid and nonsensical witch hunt for the sake of "preventing fascism." That is an absolutely idiotic, morally corrupt, and mentally unsound way of thinking. And such stupid single mindedness is the entire reason innocent men, women, and children were burned at the stake years ago. You do not advocate physically harming and denying the rights of another individual solely on the basis that you "suspect" they will become a regime.

Those rights only exist at the behest of the government. An entirely fascist government would have no issue passing amendment after amendment until those rights disappear.

Those rights exist in accordance with the Constitution, which the government must abide by. The Constitution cannot be tossed aside. And an entirely fascist government that cares to try can find itself hiding behind desks amidst a hail of gunfire. These rights do not exist because the government says so. It exists because I and every other American says so. And the government doesn't get the option nor the opportunity to take away those rights. Ever.

[Ifreann]

Yes, very silly. For nationwide protests by huge numbers of people, $100,000 of property damage does not suggest mass violence. Only a few hundred people were arrested and I think most of the charges have been dropped.

Yes, what about Berkeley? You brought it up in response to me saying that antifa aren't trying to enact laws or policies. What are you trying to say? That the Berkeley protests were attempts to pass some law?


I said, and you can go back and check if you don't remember, that antifa aren't trying to enact policies or pass laws. And I really should not need to explain to you that only the government can pass laws.


Who said anything about free speech or feelings? What the fuck are you talking about?


I didn't say that the police are terrorists. I said that the police perpetrate political violence, as the law is political and they enforce it violently. I said this to refute the notion that all political violence is terrorism.


I'll refer you again to the American revolution and allow you to ponder whether George Washington was a terrorist.


The FBI seems to be conflating anti-fascism and anarchism. That or the reporters are.

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And also he is a fascist. He was at a fascist rally, displaying fascist symbols, and ran his car into a crowd of anti-fascist protesters. Because he's a fucking fascist.

My dude...There's blind, and then there's Daredevil blind.

Excellent point. I'm fully owned.

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Remember when lynching never happened in the United States?

Remember when no one listened to the KKK and just ignored them, thus causing them to fade into history as just some obscure lunatic group that nobody cares about instead of giving them a lionized platform to shout from by running up and beating the hell out of them just for talking?

KKK? Nah, there was no such group. Americans wouldn't just allow the murder of black people. There would be a massive armed response to something like that. You said it yourself. "A vast majority of the nation is going to jump out of their chairs and start marching up before the stairs of our government guns blazing." So there was no KKK. There were no lynchings. If anyone had even tried they would have been faced with the vast majority of the nation, guns blazing.

[Ifreann]

Those rights only exist at the behest of the government. An entirely fascist government would have no issue passing amendment after amendment until those rights disappear.

Those rights exist in accordance with the Constitution, which the government must abide by. The Constitution cannot be tossed aside. And an entirely fascist government that cares to try can find itself hiding behind desks amidst a hail of gunfire. These rights do not exist because the government says so. It exists because I and every other American says so. And the government doesn't get the option nor the opportunity to take away those rights. Ever.

Yeah, the Constitution could never be amended to take away anyone's rights.

Prohibition? Never heard of it.

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You keep on bringing up mass murder, as if mass murder is the only circumstance in which fascism becomes untenable. Again, I tell you: If we're at the point where killing minorities starts, that means we're several years, even decades too late. No one is going to wait for it to get that far.

You say that Americans would rise up against fascism if it ever got powerful, but ignoring it now is how they get powerful.

Imagine an oncologist saying "You know, if that tumor in your testicles metastasizes to your colon, lungs, and brain, we can do some chemo to keep you from dying." You don't wait for the cancer to metastasize in your brain. You don't wait for the tumor to become cancerous. You don't wait for the tumor to get bigger - you deal with the tumor immediately.

Equating fighting supposed fascists with having a severe physical ailment is the absolute most gigantic sack of horse shit I've ever heard in my entire life. Even you're not that desperate now, come on.

We here in America have rights. Rights that shall not be infringed upon. And there is NO REASON to start beating the shit out of people and causing physical harm to individuals just because you suspect they may gain power. Every man, woman, and child has the right to live in America however they choose so long as it does not infringe upon the rights of other Americans. At no point have these supposed 'fascists' ever committed such infringement as to warrant some stupid and nonsensical witch hunt for the sake of "preventing fascism." That is an absolutely idiotic, morally corrupt, and mentally unsound way of thinking. And such stupid single mindedness is the entire reason innocent men, women, and children were burned at the stake years ago. You do not advocate physically harming and denying the rights of another individual solely on the basis that you "suspect" they will become a regime.

I think my cancer metaphor perfectly fits your attitude of "we'll fix it when things are irrevocably broken."

And lets talk about rights. How about the right to life? What about a Jew's right to not get shot in their synagogue? What about a transgender person's right to not be beaten to death by a mob? What about the right Heather Heyer had to not get run over by a terrorist? Antifascists save lives.

And you call it a witch hunt, but that narrative only works under your rules for what constitutes fascism: Unless you're literally throwing people in gas chambers, you're not a fascist. Again, I bring up Steve King - an open white supremacist in Congress. He's not the only white supremacist in Congress, but he is unique in that he is open about what he is. I would point to Donald Trump and his "very fine people" remarks. Is Trump a fascist? No, I wouldn't assign any ideology to him at all, because he's just a narcissistic conman who knows which way the wind is blowing, and if socialism were more fashionable he'd have run for President waving a red flag. But he sympathizes with fascists and normalizes them. Look how close Roy Moore came, and in the end he only lost because he's a sexual predator. Look at how the alt-right recruits vulnerable young boys and men, manipulating them, destroying their sense of self-worth, so they can be reshaped in their image. Are you seriously going to argue that fascists aren't wielding influence right now?

[West Leas Oros 2]

Those rights exist in accordance with the Constitution, which the government must abide by. The Constitution cannot be tossed aside. And an entirely fascist government that cares to try can find itself hiding behind desks amidst a hail of gunfire. These rights do not exist because the government says so. It exists because I and every other American says so. And the government doesn't get the option nor the opportunity to take away those rights. Ever.

Yeah, the Constitution could never be amended to take away anyone's rights.

Prohibition? Never heard of it.

Gee, it’s not like prohibition failed and was repealed...

[Ifreann]

Yeah, the Constitution could never be amended to take away anyone's rights.

Prohibition? Never heard of it.

Gee, it’s not like prohibition failed and was repealed...

Thus proving that the government cannot ever take away people's rights.

[Harelia]

Those rights exist in accordance with the Constitution, which the government must abide by. The Constitution cannot be tossed aside. And an entirely fascist government that cares to try can find itself hiding behind desks amidst a hail of gunfire. These rights do not exist because the government says so. It exists because I and every other American says so. And the government doesn't get the option nor the opportunity to take away those rights. Ever.

Yeah, the Constitution could never be amended to take away anyone's rights.

Prohibition? Never heard of it.

It's almost as if we got rid of it. Try harder plz.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Those rights exist in accordance with the Constitution, which the government must abide by. The Constitution cannot be tossed aside. And an entirely fascist government that cares to try can find itself hiding behind desks amidst a hail of gunfire. These rights do not exist because the government says so. It exists because I and every other American says so. And the government doesn't get the option nor the opportunity to take away those rights. Ever.

Yeah, the Constitution could never be amended to take away anyone's rights.

Prohibition? Never heard of it.

>Checks pre-prohibition Constitution for an alcohol amendment
>Checks the writings of the Founding Fathers for references to the right to drink alcohol
Nope, can't find it. Must be in the Declaration of Independence.

[Harelia]

My dude...There's blind, and then there's Daredevil blind.

Excellent point. I'm fully owned.

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Remember when no one listened to the KKK and just ignored them, thus causing them to fade into history as just some obscure lunatic group that nobody cares about instead of giving them a lionized platform to shout from by running up and beating the hell out of them just for talking?

KKK? Nah, there was no such group. Americans wouldn't just allow the murder of black people. There would be a massive armed response to something like that. You said it yourself. "A vast majority of the nation is going to jump out of their chairs and start marching up before the stairs of our government guns blazing." So there was no KKK. There were no lynchings. If anyone had even tried they would have been faced with the vast majority of the nation, guns blazing.

If that's the only argument left that you have I'd say just accept you're unable to refute and just log out, my dude. Because your attempts at grasping ain't even earning you shit.

[Ifreann]

Yeah, the Constitution could never be amended to take away anyone's rights.

Prohibition? Never heard of it.

It's almost as if we got rid of it. Try harder plz.

"The government can't ever take away our rights"
"They did before"
"W-well they gave them back eventually!"

[Harelia]

Equating fighting supposed fascists with having a severe physical ailment is the absolute most gigantic sack of horse shit I've ever heard in my entire life. Even you're not that desperate now, come on.

We here in America have rights. Rights that shall not be infringed upon. And there is NO REASON to start beating the shit out of people and causing physical harm to individuals just because you suspect they may gain power. Every man, woman, and child has the right to live in America however they choose so long as it does not infringe upon the rights of other Americans. At no point have these supposed 'fascists' ever committed such infringement as to warrant some stupid and nonsensical witch hunt for the sake of "preventing fascism." That is an absolutely idiotic, morally corrupt, and mentally unsound way of thinking. And such stupid single mindedness is the entire reason innocent men, women, and children were burned at the stake years ago. You do not advocate physically harming and denying the rights of another individual solely on the basis that you "suspect" they will become a regime.

I think my cancer metaphor perfectly fits your attitude of "we'll fix it when things are irrevocably broken."

And lets talk about rights. How about the right to life? What about a Jew's right to not get shot in their synagogue? What about a transgender person's right to not be beaten to death by a mob? What about the right Heather Heyer had to not get run over by a terrorist? Antifascists save lives.

And you call it a witch hunt, but that narrative only works under your rules for what constitutes fascism: Unless you're literally throwing people in gas chambers, you're not a fascist. Again, I bring up Steve King - an open white supremacist in Congress. He's not the only white supremacist in Congress, but he is unique in that he is open about what he is. I would point to Donald Trump and his "very fine people" remarks. Is Trump a fascist? No, I wouldn't assign any ideology to him at all, because he's just a narcissistic conman who knows which way the wind is blowing, and if socialism were more fashionable he'd have run for President waving a red flag. But he sympathizes with fascists and normalizes them. Look how close Roy Moore came, and in the end he only lost because he's a sexual predator. Look at how the alt-right recruits vulnerable young boys and men, manipulating them, destroying their sense of self-worth, so they can be reshaped in their image. Are you seriously going to argue that fascists aren't wielding influence right now?

They absolutely don't have influence right now. And they can't get any influence as long as they're treated like idiots. Just like Antifa is nothing but idiots. Fascism isn't killing someone because of an ideology. It's letting them get away with killing for an ideology and then trying to justify it.

Those people were charged and treated like the criminals they are.

But I guess by your logic we can call the far left Youtube shooter a fascist too.

Nice logic you have.

[Ifreann]

Excellent point. I'm fully owned.

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KKK? Nah, there was no such group. Americans wouldn't just allow the murder of black people. There would be a massive armed response to something like that. You said it yourself. "A vast majority of the nation is going to jump out of their chairs and start marching up before the stairs of our government guns blazing." So there was no KKK. There were no lynchings. If anyone had even tried they would have been faced with the vast majority of the nation, guns blazing.

If that's the only argument left that you have I'd say just accept you're unable to refute and just log out, my dude. Because your attempts at grasping ain't even earning you shit.

Who's arguing? I'm agreeing with you. The wanton murder of innocent black people by angry mobs just couldn't happen in America. The people wouldn't have it. It's impossible.

You've opened my eyes, Harelia. How could I ever have believed in lynchings in America? I've been the victim of Russian propaganda.