Antifa Attacks Liberal Over American Flag.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

That settles it then, antifa is a group of screaming lunitics.

They still have plenty of supporters in this thread though.

[Ifreann]

Is there no end to your scurrilous lies?

This is what you wrote:

If you think that supporting fascism and opposing fascism are morally equivalent then you are probably a fascist.

You're the one telling lies here, not me. All I said was that I didn't like both groups, and that was your response.

Right. I didn't call you a fascist or express support for terrorism. I said that you're probably a fascist if, that word is important, you believe that supporting fascism and opposing fascism are morally equivalent. And based on that you have decided that I support terrorism.

This is better than the time someone decided that I support ISIS because I called them ISIS.

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I think what you meant is that Antifa don't dictate or demand anything.

I think what I meant is that they do exactly that, and proceed to beat and harass anyone that doesn't agree with them.

But they don't. They're not trying to run the US. They're not trying to pass laws. They're not trying to enact policies. They're just trying to stop fascism. I wouldn't even say that they demand that fascist stop doing fascism, since very obviously they mean to stop fascist directly.

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God dammit. These little shits again?

What's the seventh word of the OP?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

What's the seventh word of the OP?

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Irrelevant deflection found: Pretend that it's not important/didn't happen because it wasn't talked about for three months.

This still happened this year, and you're just using the date as an excuse to refuse to condemn the incident.

[Vassenor]

What's the seventh word of the OP?

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Irrelevant deflection found: Pretend that it's not important/didn't happen because it wasn't talked about for three months.

Serious question: Do you actually have any responses to criticism that aren't just cheap gotchas?

[Harelia]

This is what you wrote:
You're the one telling lies here, not me. All I said was that I didn't like both groups, and that was your response.

Right. I didn't call you a fascist or express support for terrorism. I said that you're probably a fascist if, that word is important, you believe that supporting fascism and opposing fascism are morally equivalent. And based on that you have decided that I support terrorism.

This is better than the time someone decided that I support ISIS because I called them ISIS.

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I think what I meant is that they do exactly that, and proceed to beat and harass anyone that doesn't agree with them.

But they don't. They're not trying to run the US. They're not trying to pass laws. They're not trying to enact policies. They're just trying to stop fascism. I wouldn't even say that they demand that fascist stop doing fascism, since very obviously they mean to stop fascist directly.

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God dammit. These little shits again?

What's the seventh word of the OP?

Except they are trying to pass laws and enact policies. They are trying to run the US. and there is no fascism to stop in America. All they're doing is beating up people they don't like and causing thousands of dollars in property damage. They are literally the textbook definition of a terrorist group.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Right. I didn't call you a fascist or express support for terrorism. I said that you're probably a fascist if, that word is important, you believe that supporting fascism and opposing fascism are morally equivalent. And based on that you have decided that I support terrorism.

Well you are literally just splitting hairs now.

This is better than the time someone decided that I support ISIS because I called them ISIS.

Completely irreverent. I didn't come to my conclusion just over a name.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Loading irrelevant deflection....
Irrelevant deflection found: Pretend that it's not important/didn't happen because it wasn't talked about for three months.

Serious question: Do you actually have any responses to criticism that aren't just cheap gotchas?

Well the post I responded to was a cheap gotcha. "Its three months old, so we shouldn't even talk about it"

[Ifreann]

What's the seventh word of the OP?

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Irrelevant deflection found: Pretend that it's not important/didn't happen because it wasn't talked about for three months.

This still happened this year, and you're just using the date as an excuse to refuse to condemn the incident.

I'm pointing out to West Leas Oros that this isn't news. This isn't antifa "again".

But I see you've given up on justifying your attempts to smear me with baseless accusations of supporting terrorism.

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Right. I didn't call you a fascist or express support for terrorism. I said that you're probably a fascist if, that word is important, you believe that supporting fascism and opposing fascism are morally equivalent. And based on that you have decided that I support terrorism.

This is better than the time someone decided that I support ISIS because I called them ISIS.

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But they don't. They're not trying to run the US. They're not trying to pass laws. They're not trying to enact policies. They're just trying to stop fascism. I wouldn't even say that they demand that fascist stop doing fascism, since very obviously they mean to stop fascist directly.

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What's the seventh word of the OP?

Except they are trying to pass laws and enact policies.

No they don't.

They are trying to run the US.

The midterms were yesterday. Show me the candidates from the Antifa Party.

and there is no fascism to stop in America.

Oh honey.

All they're doing is beating up people they don't like and causing thousands of dollars in property damage. They are literally the textbook definition of a terrorist group.

I promise you they aren't.

[Fahran]

Except you don't, which is part of the problem. If you did, there'd probably be no Antifa in the first place.

Source I, Source II, and Source III. We have been infiltrating the more radical white nationalist groups too, despite the bountiful accusations across the media that not enough has been done. I suspect that even a couple of the posters on sites like Storm Front are undercover agents, gathering intelligence and evidence. The FBI has attempted to keep a leash on these groups and has dismantled several skinhead and Neo-Nazi gangs and militias since the 90's when they reached their zenith.

But its not that simple. at many of the protests that ive seen turn violent, the police rarely stepped in to help.

Often because they were told by local officials to stand down. In most of the recent instances of violence, Antifa outnumbered the white nationalists at least three-to-one, especially when such violence took place on college campuses or large cities.

Hands up everyone who is in favor of fascism...

You'll find a couple quasi-fascists here. The vast majority of the people in this thread are liberals of one kind or another though. Hence the preoccupation with free speech and rights.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

This isn't antifa "again".

So it's not antifa because you day it's not? Where's your source? I have one in the OP, and I linked to another later in this thread, and both say it's antifa.

[Vassenor]

This isn't antifa "again".

So it's not antifa because you day it's not? Where's your source? I have one in the OP, and I linked to another later in this thread, and both say it's antifa.

No, it's not "again" because you're dredging up old incidents you feel didn't get used for enough Two Minutes Hate.

[Ifreann]

Right. I didn't call you a fascist or express support for terrorism. I said that you're probably a fascist if, that word is important, you believe that supporting fascism and opposing fascism are morally equivalent. And based on that you have decided that I support terrorism.

Well you are literally just splitting hairs now.

You think I support terrorism because you think I said you're a fascist, and I'm pointing out that I didn't even do that.

But even if I did, that would still be a fucking absurd conclusion to come to.

This is better than the time someone decided that I support ISIS because I called them ISIS.

Completely irreverent. I didn't come to my conclusion just over a name.

I'm sorry, being accused of supporting terrorism reminds me of the other time I was accused of supporting terrorism.

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This isn't antifa "again".

So it's not antifa because you day it's not? Where's your source? I have one in the OP, and I linked to another later in this thread, and both say it's antifa.

Antifa is just a banner that can be claimed by any individual or group engaged in antifascist action, it is not an organization. Antifa has no leaders or paperwork or documents, antifa is just an idea.

[Ifreann]

This isn't antifa "again".

So it's not antifa because you day it's not? Where's your source? I have one in the OP, and I linked to another later in this thread, and both say it's antifa.

Are you have some kind of trouble with reading my posts?

I'm pointing out to West Leas Oros that this isn't news. This isn't antifa "again".

I'm pointing out to West Leas Oros that this isn't news.

I'm pointing out to West Leas Oros that this isn't news.

I'm pointing out to West Leas Oros that this isn't news.

I'm pointing out to West Leas Oros that this isn't news.

"sO IT's Not AntIFa bEcAusE YoU SaY It's NoT?"

[Fahran]

No, it's not "again" because you're dredging up old incidents you feel didn't get used for enough Two Minutes Hate.

Again, will you condemn political violence in response to speech and do you agree that people who engage in political violence should be arrested regardless of the victim?

Antifa is just a banner that can be claimed by any individual or group engaged in antifascist action, it is not an organization. Antifa has no leaders or paperwork or documents, antifa is just an idea.

In many cases, a rather bad idea. Looking at Weimar, Hindenburg should have dealt with the serpents in his garden more harshly, both the fascists and the communists.

[Harelia]

Loading irrelevant deflection....
Irrelevant deflection found: Pretend that it's not important/didn't happen because it wasn't talked about for three months.

This still happened this year, and you're just using the date as an excuse to refuse to condemn the incident.

I'm pointing out to West Leas Oros that this isn't news. This isn't antifa "again".

But I see you've given up on justifying your attempts to smear me with baseless accusations of supporting terrorism.

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Except they are trying to pass laws and enact policies.

No they don't.

They are trying to run the US.

The midterms were yesterday. Show me the candidates from the Antifa Party.

and there is no fascism to stop in America.

Oh honey.

All they're doing is beating up people they don't like and causing thousands of dollars in property damage. They are literally the textbook definition of a terrorist group.

I promise you they aren't.

1) The riots following Trump's election sure seems like an effort to strong arm and harass into changing up the presidency. Lets not also forget the campus riots at Berkeley.

2) Look outside, they're running loose in the streets wit htheir "Beat up anyone I dislike" campaign.

3) There is no fascism in America. Just accept you just like terrorists, and are likely a terrorist sympathizer yourself.

4) Portland Riot. Where Antifa tried to attack ICE agents (and failed). Berkeley, individual beat with a bike lock. Evergreen State, where one of them actually was wielding a knife. Charlottesville, where several Antifa members had clubs and chanted for people to "punch a nazi in the mouth."

Imagine being so delusional you completely ignore everything bad that Antifa is doing. XD If it's not blathering some 'no true scotsman' fallacy on repeat, it's outright denying the existence of a problem entirely.

[Vassenor]

No, it's not "again" because you're dredging up old incidents you feel didn't get used for enough Two Minutes Hate.

Again, will you condemn political violence in response to speech and do you agree that people who engage in political violence should be arrested regardless of the victim?

Are you just going to keep trying to NO U everything I say?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

So it's not antifa because you day it's not? Where's your source? I have one in the OP, and I linked to another later in this thread, and both say it's antifa.

Antifa is just a banner that can be claimed by any individual or group engaged in antifascist action, it is not an organization. Antifa has no leaders or paperwork or documents, antifa is just an idea.

There are groups within Antifa, and they have leaders. Also, just because a good chunk of antifa leaders or members have no de jure titles doesn't make them indemnified from responsibility. Will you condemn the incident of not?

[Vassenor]

I'm pointing out to West Leas Oros that this isn't news. This isn't antifa "again".

But I see you've given up on justifying your attempts to smear me with baseless accusations of supporting terrorism.

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No they don't.

The midterms were yesterday. Show me the candidates from the Antifa Party.

Oh honey.

I promise you they aren't.

1) The riots following Trump's election sure seems like an effort to strong arm and harass into changing up the presidency. Lets not also forget the campus riots at Berkeley.

2) Look outside, they're running loose in the streets wit htheir "Beat up anyone I dislike" campaign.

3) There is no fascism in America. Just accept you just like terrorists, and are likely a terrorist sympathizer yourself.

4) Portland Riot. Where Antifa tried to attack ICE agents (and failed). Berkeley, individual beat with a bike lock. Evergreen State, where one of them actually was wielding a knife. Charlottesville, where several Antifa members had clubs and chanted for people to "punch a nazi in the mouth."

Imagine being so delusional you completely ignore everything bad that Antifa is doing. XD If it's not blathering some 'no true scotsman' fallacy on repeat, it's outright denying the existence of a problem entirely.

1. And what riots after the election would those be?

3. "No fascism in America", eh?

[Fahran]

Are you just going to keep trying to NO U everything I say?

You haven't ever answered the implicit argument raised by the post. You're deflecting by questioning the motives of the argument instead of the argument itself.

Is political violence wrong?

[Vassenor]

Are you just going to keep trying to NO U everything I say?

You haven't ever answered the implicit argument raised by the post. You're deflecting by questioning the motives of the argument instead of the argument itself.

Is political violence wrong?

So you're trying to badger me into stating the bleeding obvious in the hopes it'll somehow discredit what I say. Got it.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

You haven't ever answered the implicit argument raised by the post. You're deflecting by questioning the motives of the argument instead of the argument itself.

Is political violence wrong?

So you're trying to badger me into stating the bleeding obvious in the hopes it'll somehow discredit what I say. Got it.

Just answer the question, or is that too hard for you?

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Antifa is just a banner that can be claimed by any individual or group engaged in antifascist action, it is not an organization. Antifa has no leaders or paperwork or documents, antifa is just an idea.

There are groups within Antifa, and they have leaders. Also, just because a good chunk of antifa leaders or members have no de jure titles doesn't make them indemnified from responsibility.

Literally having no contact with someone who does a thing absolutely indemnifies everyone else from responsibility for that thing. To be responsible for a thing, one has to have participated in that thing in some way.

[Vassenor]

So you're trying to badger me into stating the bleeding obvious in the hopes it'll somehow discredit what I say. Got it.

Just answer the question, or is that too hard for you?

Pretty sure by saying the answer should be obvious to the point of not needing to be stated is answering the question. But nice try.

[Fahran]

So you're trying to badger me into stating the bleeding obvious in the hopes it'll somehow discredit what I say. Got it.

Not at all. I'm curious about your actual answer since I'm not familiar with your stance on this. And asking the question twice in good faith and in respectful terms is hardly badgering. It's possible that you missed it the first time - since rather few have responded to me consistently in this thread. If you have no intention of answering it, then there's not really anything further to discuss here and I'll drop it.

Pretty sure by saying the answer should be obvious to the point of not needing to be stated is answering the question. But nice try.

So people who engage in political violence should be arrested and people who support political violence should be condemned? Because that's the obvious answer.