Freedoms point wrote:That settles it then, antifa is a group of screaming lunitics.
They still have plenty of supporters in this thread though.
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by LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:16 am
Freedoms point wrote:That settles it then, antifa is a group of screaming lunitics.
by Ifreann » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:27 am
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Ifreann wrote:Is there no end to your scurrilous lies?
This is what you wrote:Ifreann wrote:If you think that supporting fascism and opposing fascism are morally equivalent then you are probably a fascist.
You're the one telling lies here, not me. All I said was that I didn't like both groups, and that was your response.
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:God dammit. These little shits again?
by LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:35 am
Ifreann wrote:What's the seventh word of the OP?
by Vassenor » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:37 am
by Harelia » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:38 am
Ifreann wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:This is what you wrote:
You're the one telling lies here, not me. All I said was that I didn't like both groups, and that was your response.
Right. I didn't call you a fascist or express support for terrorism. I said that you're probably a fascist if, that word is important, you believe that supporting fascism and opposing fascism are morally equivalent. And based on that you have decided that I support terrorism.
This is better than the time someone decided that I support ISIS because I called them ISIS.Harelia wrote:
I think what I meant is that they do exactly that, and proceed to beat and harass anyone that doesn't agree with them.
But they don't. They're not trying to run the US. They're not trying to pass laws. They're not trying to enact policies. They're just trying to stop fascism. I wouldn't even say that they demand that fascist stop doing fascism, since very obviously they mean to stop fascist directly.West Leas Oros 2 wrote:God dammit. These little shits again?
What's the seventh word of the OP?
by LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:39 am
Ifreann wrote:Right. I didn't call you a fascist or express support for terrorism. I said that you're probably a fascist if, that word is important, you believe that supporting fascism and opposing fascism are morally equivalent. And based on that you have decided that I support terrorism.
This is better than the time someone decided that I support ISIS because I called them ISIS.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:43 am
by Ifreann » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:44 am
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Ifreann wrote:What's the seventh word of the OP?
Loading irrelevant deflection....
Irrelevant deflection found: Pretend that it's not important/didn't happen because it wasn't talked about for three months.
This still happened this year, and you're just using the date as an excuse to refuse to condemn the incident.
Harelia wrote:Ifreann wrote:Right. I didn't call you a fascist or express support for terrorism. I said that you're probably a fascist if, that word is important, you believe that supporting fascism and opposing fascism are morally equivalent. And based on that you have decided that I support terrorism.
This is better than the time someone decided that I support ISIS because I called them ISIS.
But they don't. They're not trying to run the US. They're not trying to pass laws. They're not trying to enact policies. They're just trying to stop fascism. I wouldn't even say that they demand that fascist stop doing fascism, since very obviously they mean to stop fascist directly.
What's the seventh word of the OP?
Except they are trying to pass laws and enact policies.
They are trying to run the US.
and there is no fascism to stop in America.
All they're doing is beating up people they don't like and causing thousands of dollars in property damage. They are literally the textbook definition of a terrorist group.
by Fahran » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:44 am
Cedoria wrote:Except you don't, which is part of the problem. If you did, there'd probably be no Antifa in the first place.
South Ccanda wrote:But its not that simple. at many of the protests that ive seen turn violent, the police rarely stepped in to help.
US-SSR wrote:Hands up everyone who is in favor of fascism...
by LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:47 am
Ifreann wrote:This isn't antifa "again".
by Vassenor » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:49 am
by Ifreann » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:50 am
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Ifreann wrote:Right. I didn't call you a fascist or express support for terrorism. I said that you're probably a fascist if, that word is important, you believe that supporting fascism and opposing fascism are morally equivalent. And based on that you have decided that I support terrorism.
Well you are literally just splitting hairs now.
This is better than the time someone decided that I support ISIS because I called them ISIS.
Completely irreverent. I didn't come to my conclusion just over a name.
by Page » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:50 am
by Ifreann » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:55 am
Ifreann wrote:I'm pointing out to West Leas Oros that this isn't news. This isn't antifa "again".
Ifreann wrote:I'm pointing out to West Leas Oros that this isn't news.
Ifreann wrote:I'm pointing out to West Leas Oros that this isn't news.
Ifreann wrote:I'm pointing out to West Leas Oros that this isn't news.
Ifreann wrote:I'm pointing out to West Leas Oros that this isn't news.
by Fahran » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:55 am
Vassenor wrote:No, it's not "again" because you're dredging up old incidents you feel didn't get used for enough Two Minutes Hate.
Page wrote:Antifa is just a banner that can be claimed by any individual or group engaged in antifascist action, it is not an organization. Antifa has no leaders or paperwork or documents, antifa is just an idea.
by Harelia » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:55 am
Ifreann wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Loading irrelevant deflection....
Irrelevant deflection found: Pretend that it's not important/didn't happen because it wasn't talked about for three months.
This still happened this year, and you're just using the date as an excuse to refuse to condemn the incident.
I'm pointing out to West Leas Oros that this isn't news. This isn't antifa "again".
But I see you've given up on justifying your attempts to smear me with baseless accusations of supporting terrorism.Harelia wrote:
Except they are trying to pass laws and enact policies.
No they don't.They are trying to run the US.
The midterms were yesterday. Show me the candidates from the Antifa Party.and there is no fascism to stop in America.
Oh honey.All they're doing is beating up people they don't like and causing thousands of dollars in property damage. They are literally the textbook definition of a terrorist group.
I promise you they aren't.
by Vassenor » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:56 am
Fahran wrote:Vassenor wrote:No, it's not "again" because you're dredging up old incidents you feel didn't get used for enough Two Minutes Hate.
Again, will you condemn political violence in response to speech and do you agree that people who engage in political violence should be arrested regardless of the victim?
by LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:57 am
Page wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:So it's not antifa because you day it's not? Where's your source? I have one in the OP, and I linked to another later in this thread, and both say it's antifa.
Antifa is just a banner that can be claimed by any individual or group engaged in antifascist action, it is not an organization. Antifa has no leaders or paperwork or documents, antifa is just an idea.
by Vassenor » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:58 am
Harelia wrote:Ifreann wrote:I'm pointing out to West Leas Oros that this isn't news. This isn't antifa "again".
But I see you've given up on justifying your attempts to smear me with baseless accusations of supporting terrorism.
No they don't.
The midterms were yesterday. Show me the candidates from the Antifa Party.
Oh honey.
I promise you they aren't.
1) The riots following Trump's election sure seems like an effort to strong arm and harass into changing up the presidency. Lets not also forget the campus riots at Berkeley.
2) Look outside, they're running loose in the streets wit htheir "Beat up anyone I dislike" campaign.
3) There is no fascism in America. Just accept you just like terrorists, and are likely a terrorist sympathizer yourself.
4) Portland Riot. Where Antifa tried to attack ICE agents (and failed). Berkeley, individual beat with a bike lock. Evergreen State, where one of them actually was wielding a knife. Charlottesville, where several Antifa members had clubs and chanted for people to "punch a nazi in the mouth."
Imagine being so delusional you completely ignore everything bad that Antifa is doing. XD If it's not blathering some 'no true scotsman' fallacy on repeat, it's outright denying the existence of a problem entirely.
by Fahran » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:58 am
Vassenor wrote:Are you just going to keep trying to NO U everything I say?
by Vassenor » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:00 am
by LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:01 am
Vassenor wrote:Fahran wrote:You haven't ever answered the implicit argument raised by the post. You're deflecting by questioning the motives of the argument instead of the argument itself.
Is political violence wrong?
So you're trying to badger me into stating the bleeding obvious in the hopes it'll somehow discredit what I say. Got it.
by Page » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:01 am
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Page wrote:
Antifa is just a banner that can be claimed by any individual or group engaged in antifascist action, it is not an organization. Antifa has no leaders or paperwork or documents, antifa is just an idea.
There are groups within Antifa, and they have leaders. Also, just because a good chunk of antifa leaders or members have no de jure titles doesn't make them indemnified from responsibility.
by Vassenor » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:02 am
by Fahran » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:02 am
Vassenor wrote:So you're trying to badger me into stating the bleeding obvious in the hopes it'll somehow discredit what I say. Got it.
Vassenor wrote:Pretty sure by saying the answer should be obvious to the point of not needing to be stated is answering the question. But nice try.
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