Marijuana research

[Valgora]

In a way, yes. But not entirely.
Intoxication: "(of alcoholic drink or a drug) cause one to lose control of their faculties or behavior."
I wouldn't say weed causes one to lose (complete) control of their faculties or behavior.

Doesn't mean the bad outweighs the good.

In a way, yes.

Ok then, it's a last resort.

It ain't a last resort.

It's perfect for anxiety and is better than taking medicine for anxiety.
It allows chemotherapy patients who suffer from nausea due to the chemo to have an appetite and eat food.

[Azurius]

True, but what if banning something is even worse and has even worse effect on peoples health, income, life and career? Wouldn´t it be better to legalize and supervise it and offer compulsory education in that topic and well funded mandatory healthcare for addicts? Especialy if there is a way of actualy consuming it without any harmfull effects(eating). Shouldn´t that be encouraged whilst smoking it should be frowned upon or maybe even banned in your view?

If the good outweighs the bad, then you could make that argument, yes. But it'd be better to use marijuana as a last resort if other options fail.

Oh dear, this thread isn't about religion, this thread is supposed to be as secular as possible (I think), so please don't bring religious beliefs up

OP doesn't say that.

In this case is does, clearly. Words of topic include: The war on drugs, the actual research of cannabis(really if anything only showing positive effects if not smoked. Smoked it is also only negative because of the tar which naturaly happens when you smoke something. It´s bad for the lungs no doubt about that). And it also includes the addiction/harm scale. Scientists have concluded multiple drugs and rated them by their degree of causing harm. Including the physical and mental harm on the user, but as well on the famility and relative around the user.

Cannabis is effectively harmless, even less harmfull then caffeine. Even smoked when you count in self harm potencial through lung damage cannabis is a joke compared to other drugs and even everday substances like caffeine. It´s especially a huge joke compared to alcohol.

It cannot stress enough that cannabis when eaten, has literaly no harmfull effects, only positive ones and a wide range of that. It harmonizes and cures a wide range of neuroligical problems and hence works in degenerative and incurable diseases such as tourrette, alzheimer, morbus cohn and others. Its anti-inflammatory and anti-cancerogene effects make it an undoubtfull effective and working aid in chemo and cancer theraphy, and oh so more in prevention of cancer before it even forms thanks to zero side-effects. The anti-inflammatory effects are also suitable to combat free radicals and inflammation of the body in general.

It is an effective laxative and relaxes cramped up and pained muscles, at the same time it promotes flow and activity of muscles. The laxative, artery expanding and also cleansing effects make cannabis an very effective anti-septikum too. Cannabinoids, especially THC, not only promote blood and nutrient flow to all areas of the body but actually have anti-biotic effects too, making them as said very effective anti-septika.

The artery expanding effect effectively and quickly lowers blood pressure and promotes a healthy heart and arteries. The paradox is: While lowering blood pressure, THC itself also increases the heart rate, which easily explains why cannabis can promote the flow of blood and oxygen to all cells and parts of the body, once more underlining its excellent anti-septic properties.

Cannabinoids, especially THC, also expand the bronchias. People suffering from asthma obviously should NOT smoke it... but even those that do report instant relief where any other medication lacks to even come close in effect. Eaten you can effectively cure asthma with it. Asthma is a condition where the bronchias cramp and hence you cannot breathe properly, THC very effectively remedies that.

The list goes on, in general cannabis main effects are with the nervous system and also the stomach and intestines, hence it is also very effective against stomach cramps, irrtable bowel syndrome or also eating dissorders.

If you understand the bio-chemical make-up of humans or actualy mamals in general you will quickly see why: Our entire nervous system, is actualy based on cannabinoids. Our intestine which is also actualy a very large nervous system is just as tied to cannabinoid receptors and signal transmission. Humans or any mammal in general share a close biological and evolutional relation to cannabinoids and plants of the sativa family. You will find that many other plants of the sativa family, such as stinging nettles, are highly beneficial and healthy for us humans. This is no coincidence. Cannabinoid transmission is in fact how a large portion of our human nervous system works.

You are mistaken if you believe that cannabis is something harmfull or unnatural to humans, or even mammals in general for that matter which we humans are too, we are mammals.

[Azurius]

Well... the good of marijuana outweighs the bad.
Of course, religion shouldn't be used to create laws. If Baptists created all the laws, the only way people could drink alcohol was if it was in the closet.
Anyways, religion is a shitty reason to criminalize something.

Disagree, modern Christianity do allow drugs, homosexuality, alcohol and stuff like this, modern Judaism too. Although Alcohol was always allowed in both religions (especially Christianity). But lets turn back to topic

Even certain branches of modern christianity including the new testament, in fact do not... Yeah it is offtopic indeed, and it sounds more like some christian sentiment here, hence I corrected that. In fact as far as I understand, the essence of the quran is to not harm yourself. Alcoholism undoubtebly does that. However, herbal spirits for ilnesses are a different story actualy, and that is exactly why there is such a huge room for debatte when it comes to alcohol in islam. In essence you can actually enjoy it and it can be used as digestive as long as you do not engange in harmfull abuse of it.

But yeah offtopic, let´s keep religion out of this, for religion literaly also has very little to do if anything with the worldwide cannabis ban and frown. It were not religous interests here that made and still keep it largely illegal but in fact corporate ones.

[Azurius]

Pot should be legal, it is not the role of government to declare what we can and cannot do with our bodies or what we may be able to purchase with our property. the government's role is to preserve the rights of its citizens and restricting pot and other drugs is a violation of that role. Partaking of drugs such as pot or heroine is detrimental to my health but it would still be my choice to do so, and so long as I am not infringing on anyone else's rights then I should be allowed to do so. I personally would not partake of substances like heroine or cannabis but I should have the right to do so if I so choose.

I didn´t mention it but that is a good if not the best argument actualy. We don´t make it illegal for people to kill themselves with rat poison for example...

I go by my countries constitution here though when I say: Every person has the right to personal expansion/development. If you want to get yourself drunk or whatever, fine. However keep in mind that: Other people have this right too. Detrimental effects on the sourrounding are not your right. When you get drunk and beat a person up for example it is not within your rights as simple as that.

That is where laws become complicated when it comes to constiutional right. Cannabis should definitely be legal anyway, and as said anything rating as less harmfull for the user and environment then alcohol should also be made legal. I think that is not only a compromise between total ban and total legalization, but also upholds personal freedom and liberty, since as long as you do not harm your environment though drug abuse it is your choice what you want to do with your body.

[Scomagia]

Marijuana should be legalized and all other drugs should be decriminalized.

Those who are caught with any of the decriminalized drugs will be sent to state funded rehabilitation. Dealers will get prison sentences after rehab is complete and drug kingpins will get life in prison or death if anyone OD’d on their drugs

The bolded is simply preposterous. Using drugs doesn't make you an addict. There's zero reason to arbitrarily force someone into rehab for possession of a given substance. Recreational use is a thing.

[Scomagia]

Ok then, it's a last resort.

It ain't a last resort.

It's perfect for anxiety and is better than taking medicine for anxiety.
It allows chemotherapy patients who suffer from nausea due to the chemo to have an appetite and eat food.

Agreed. There are multiple conditions where Cannabis should be the first line treatment considering the dangerous side effects of many existing pharmaceuticals.

[Major-Tom]

Marijuana should be legalized and all other drugs should be decriminalized.

Those who are caught with any of the decriminalized drugs will be sent to state funded rehabilitation. Dealers will get prison sentences after rehab is complete and drug kingpins will get life in prison or death if anyone OD’d on their drugs

The bolded is simply preposterous. Using drugs doesn't make you an addict. There's zero reason to arbitrarily force someone into rehab for possession of a given substance. Recreational use is a thing.

I would, however, argue that instead of giving obvious junkies jail time, rehabilitation would be way more preferable. But if some college kid wants to drop some acid or whatever, that should just be his choice.

[Scomagia]

When it comes to cannabis, the good does outweigh the bad.
And marijuana ain't a last resort, it should be closer to a first resort.

Does marijuana intoxicate? Yes or no?

Altered consciousness is not bad.

[Scomagia]

The bolded is simply preposterous. Using drugs doesn't make you an addict. There's zero reason to arbitrarily force someone into rehab for possession of a given substance. Recreational use is a thing.

I would, however, argue that instead of giving obvious junkies jail time, rehabilitation would be way more preferable. But if some college kid wants to drop some acid or whatever, that should just be his choice.

I'd agree that it's better than straight up incarceration. However, rehab should be made available for those who actually want and need it and shouldn't be forced on people who don't.

[Major-Tom]

I would, however, argue that instead of giving obvious junkies jail time, rehabilitation would be way more preferable. But if some college kid wants to drop some acid or whatever, that should just be his choice.

I'd agree that it's better than straight up incarceration. However, rehab should be made available for those who actually want and need it and shouldn't be forced on people who don't.

I suppose it's a matter of what mindset policies would be constructed off of if we were to decriminalize all drugs. Meaning, would it be "live and let live" or "the government should make sure junkies aren't on the streets?"

I'm more inclined to choose the former.

[Kubumba Tribe]

If the good outweighs the bad, then you could make that argument, yes. But it'd be better to use marijuana as a last resort if other options fail.

OP doesn't say that.

In this case is does, clearly. Words of topic include: The war on drugs, the actual research of cannabis(really if anything only showing positive effects if not smoked. Smoked it is also only negative because of the tar which naturaly happens when you smoke something. It´s bad for the lungs no doubt about that). And it also includes the addiction/harm scale. Scientists have concluded multiple drugs and rated them by their degree of causing harm. Including the physical and mental harm on the user, but as well on the famility and relative around the user.

Cannabis is effectively harmless, even less harmfull then caffeine. Even smoked when you count in self harm potencial through lung damage cannabis is a joke compared to other drugs and even everday substances like caffeine. It´s especially a huge joke compared to alcohol.

It cannot stress enough that cannabis when eaten, has literaly no harmfull effects, only positive ones and a wide range of that. It harmonizes and cures a wide range of neuroligical problems and hence works in degenerative and incurable diseases such as tourrette, alzheimer, morbus cohn and others. Its anti-inflammatory and anti-cancerogene effects make it an undoubtfull effective and working aid in chemo and cancer theraphy, and oh so more in prevention of cancer before it even forms thanks to zero side-effects. The anti-inflammatory effects are also suitable to combat free radicals and inflammation of the body in general.

It is an effective laxative and relaxes cramped up and pained muscles, at the same time it promotes flow and activity of muscles. The laxative, artery expanding and also cleansing effects make cannabis an very effective anti-septikum too. Cannabinoids, especially THC, not only promote blood and nutrient flow to all areas of the body but actually have anti-biotic effects too, making them as said very effective anti-septika.

The artery expanding effect effectively and quickly lowers blood pressure and promotes a healthy heart and arteries. The paradox is: While lowering blood pressure, THC itself also increases the heart rate, which easily explains why cannabis can promote the flow of blood and oxygen to all cells and parts of the body, once more underlining its excellent anti-septic properties.

Cannabinoids, especially THC, also expand the bronchias. People suffering from asthma obviously should NOT smoke it... but even those that do report instant relief where any other medication lacks to even come close in effect. Eaten you can effectively cure asthma with it. Asthma is a condition where the bronchias cramp and hence you cannot breathe properly, THC very effectively remedies that.

The list goes on, in general cannabis main effects are with the nervous system and also the stomach and intestines, hence it is also very effective against stomach cramps, irrtable bowel syndrome or also eating dissorders.

If you understand the bio-chemical make-up of humans or actualy mamals in general you will quickly see why: Our entire nervous system, is actualy based on cannabinoids. Our intestine which is also actualy a very large nervous system is just as tied to cannabinoid receptors and signal transmission. Humans or any mammal in general share a close biological and evolutional relation to cannabinoids and plants of the sativa family. You will find that many other plants of the sativa family, such as stinging nettles, are highly beneficial and healthy for us humans. This is no coincidence. Cannabinoid transmission is in fact how a large portion of our human nervous system works.

You are mistaken if you believe that cannabis is something harmfull or unnatural to humans, or even mammals in general for that matter which we humans are too, we are mammals.

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[Scomagia]

I'd agree that it's better than straight up incarceration. However, rehab should be made available for those who actually want and need it and shouldn't be forced on people who don't.

I suppose it's a matter of what mindset policies would be constructed off of if we were to decriminalize all drugs. Meaning, would it be "live and let live" or "the government should make sure junkies aren't on the streets?"

I'm more inclined to choose the former.

That's essentially my position, as well. Although I don't support decriminalization, I support complete legalization for personal use.

[Digital Planets]

I’ve done my own research on marijuana and can conclude it’s very good for you.

*picks up eyedrops*

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Those who are caught with any of the decriminalized drugs will be sent to state funded rehabilitation.

That seems incredibly wasteful. Not everyone who uses drugs is an addict; we can't treat personal possession of a substance as if it's an automatic sign of abuse and addiction without any more to go on.