Florida Yoga Studio Shooter Identified As InCel

[Internationalist Bastard]

Friends, the female, a dog if it's properly trained, a gun

I"m willing to bet the female will abandon him.

My husband has one leg
I know an old couple married for years where the man was physically incapable of work for the majority of their marriage.
People are people, their ability to stick out for the people they love is not determined by gender

[The South Falls]

Who said so?

https://www.psypost.org/2016/10/study-b ... able-45412

That's men and women

[United Muscovite Nations]

In an age where people are getting worse at socializing, this is only bound to happen. We need programs to help these socially awkward men before they take the blackpill. Teach them how to talk to people in general, personal hygiene, get them outside, don't let them indulge themselves in more hedonistic desires, teach them how to be charismatic and confident. Encourage young people, especially young men who might need it most, to follow a path of self-improvement rather than blaming society around them.

That would be a good thing, but when you start suggesting that, people get uncomfortable because so many people have this idea that socializing should be a complete free market and that people need to be "allowed to fail."

[Balican]

So would positive masculinity be only aesthetics and appearance based, or was that just an at-hand example?

Well I don't really believe personality is masculine or feminine, just altered by societal growth and guided by personal interests

That's where I'm going to have to disagree with you at. There might not be an explicit positive-masculine personality (same for positive-feminine), but there are absolutely archetypes on personalities between the genders. There is some overlap and some comparable personality archetypes, but there is generally a noticeable difference.

[Liriena]

Friends, the female, a dog if it's properly trained, a gun

I"m willing to bet the female will abandon him.

Can't speak for situations of severe injury, but we do know that in maritime disasters men are the ones who, in most cases, have done a terrible job of saving women and children.

[The South Falls]

Hand raise here.

But, not all women can be like that. People who love you won't be like that to you.

Certainly not all women are like that, but many are, and a few bad experiences can hurt your opinion of women.

I don't think that's an excuse.

[Internationalist Bastard]

So would positive masculinity be only aesthetics and appearance based, or was that just an at-hand example?

To be fair, defining masculinity or femininity is its own philosophical can of worms because, to go really deep into it, first you have to decide from which theoretical framework you are approaching it (whether you think gender is performative, some sort of psychological essence, a natural essence...).

To paraphrase a comedian who's name I can't remember, "There are gay guys serving in the Marine Corps in Afghanistan fighting wars and there are guys like me who all effeminate and scream "I positively love musicals and pussy"

[Len Hyet]

I"m willing to bet the female will abandon him.

Can't speak for situations of severe injury, but we do know that in maritime disasters men are the ones who, in most cases, have done a terrible job of saving women and children.

Uh

What?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Certainly not all women are like that, but many are, and a few bad experiences can hurt your opinion of women.

I don't think that's an excuse.

And "not all women do that" is a poor excuse for dismissing that women are often harsh judges of weird men.

[Ostroeuropa]

https://www.psypost.org/2016/10/study-b ... able-45412

Your source doesn't explicitly mention results along gender lines. We are only assuming that it does.

There's the study showing around 2/3rds of women will refuse to consider a man who has even experimented with other men. For men the amount is far lower and they're more tolerant of women experimenting. There's also the studies on women having a warped view of what "Normal" attractiveness is, men grade women on a bell curve and women grade 80% of men as below average.

We also have the stats on women initiating the majority of divorces and so on (though here i'll concede that's partially due to the deck being stacked heavily in their favor by feminists.).

I think it's not a stretch to conclude that if there is anti-virgin sentiment, it's something more prevalent in women, especially given the typical narratives surrounding virgins in our society.

[Liriena]

In an age where people are getting worse at socializing, this is only bound to happen. We need programs to help these socially awkward men before they take the blackpill. Teach them how to talk to people in general, personal hygiene, get them outside, don't let them indulge themselves in more hedonistic desires, teach them how to be charismatic and confident. Encourage young people, especially young men who might need it most, to follow a path of self-improvement rather than blaming society around them.

That would be a good thing, but when you start suggesting that, people get uncomfortable because so many people have this idea that socializing should be a complete free market and that people need to be "allowed to fail."

Unfortunately, a lot of dating does kind of work like a "free market", largely because much of its functioning is structured around the profitability of the instruments or environments in which we flirt. Dating apps, for example.

[Balican]

I"m willing to bet the female will abandon him.

Can't speak for situations of severe injury, but we do know that in maritime disasters men are the ones who, in most cases, have done a terrible job of saving women and children.

I might have just read your post really wrong, but the whole "Women and children first!" was an actual thing.

[United Muscovite Nations]

That would be a good thing, but when you start suggesting that, people get uncomfortable because so many people have this idea that socializing should be a complete free market and that people need to be "allowed to fail."

Unfortunately, a lot of dating does kind of work like a "free market", largely because much of its functioning is structured around the profitability of the instruments or environments in which we flirt. Dating apps, for example.

Nah, it's been that way for a long time. Since the "market" was "deregulated" by the sexual revolution.

[Grenartia]

I understand it just fine. You don't seem to read very well, despite my attempts to write in a way that you cannot possibly misunderstand.

Your reliance on ad hominems really just shows how empty your arguments are.

I'm not using ad hominems any more than you are when you say I'm "whining".

That's a non-sequitur if I've ever seen one.

Another term you don't understand. You really should start paying me if I'm going to be your professor.

Honey, if anyone needs to be paid to be the other's professor here, its me.

"Dismisssed my entire argumetn based only on me being a man" is quite the oversimplification.

No, it isn't. You presented no other arguments against what I was saying. You simply accused me of mansplaining and left it at that. Now you're having a temper tantrum because you got called out on it and have been proven wrong several times over.

All I did was point out that what you were doing constituted mansplaining. Also, you haven't proven jack shit. Also also, I'm being totally calm and rational. You obviously don't know what a temper tantrum consists of, because this is not one. If you think differently, feel free to ask a mod.

And yes, I do disagree with the idea that appeal to authority should be considered a fallacy.

Thank you for confirming you do actually believe all the fallacious ideas that you're now trying to cover your ass over.

lolwat

Apparently you don't understand that "accuracy" is a way of determining how correct something is.

Either objective truth exists, and accuracy is a way of measuring how close it is, or objective truth does not exist, in which case there's no use for accuracy.

Watch those goalposts shift.

We've gone from "more correct" to "accuracy".

Keep covering your ass, son. It gets funnier and funnier each time.

That's not shifting goalposts at all. Check yourself before you wreck yourself, kiddo.

Broken record.

"Stop using my own statements against me."

Translation: "Stop pointing out I'm saying nothing of substance".

[Ifreann]

That would be a good thing, but when you start suggesting that, people get uncomfortable because so many people have this idea that socializing should be a complete free market and that people need to be "allowed to fail."

Unfortunately, a lot of dating does kind of work like a "free market", largely because much of its functioning is structured around the profitability of the instruments or environments in which we flirt. Dating apps, for example.

Seize the means of getting a date!

[The South Falls]

I"m willing to bet the female will abandon him.

Can't speak for situations of severe injury, but we do know that in maritime disasters men are the ones who, in most cases, have done a terrible job of saving women and children.

Provide evidence.

[Liriena]

Your source doesn't explicitly mention results along gender lines. We are only assuming that it does.

There's the study showing around 2/3rds of women will refuse to consider a man who has even experimented with other men. For men the amount is far lower and they're more tolerant of women experimenting. There's also the studies on women having a warped view of what "Normal" attractiveness is, men grade women on a bell curve and women grade 80% of men as below average.

We also have the stats on women initiating the majority of divorces and so on (though here i'll concede that's partially due to the deck being stacked heavily in their favor by feminists.).

I think it's not a stretch to conclude that if there is anti-virgin sentiment, it's something more prevalent in women, especially given the typical narratives surrounding virgins in our society.

Disregarding the fact that your gish-galloping has nothing to do with Foryis' original point and you're basically projectile vomiting random facts in the service of a vaguely anti-feminist argument (again)... you could at least actually cite these studies.

[Valgora]

To be fair, defining masculinity or femininity is its own philosophical can of worms because, to go really deep into it, first you have to decide from which theoretical framework you are approaching it (whether you think gender is performative, some sort of psychological essence, a natural essence...).

To paraphrase a comedian who's name I can't remember, "There are gay guys serving in the Marine Corps in Afghanistan fighting wars and there are guys like me who all effeminate and scream "I positively love musicals and pussy"

For some reason, that just reminded me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn3vHWXSriM
Skip to about 1:25 for the part I'm talking about.

[The South Falls]

Unfortunately, a lot of dating does kind of work like a "free market", largely because much of its functioning is structured around the profitability of the instruments or environments in which we flirt. Dating apps, for example.

Nah, it's been that way for a long time. Since the "market" was "deregulated" by the sexual revolution.

Even before, not everyone got a match.

[Hatterleigh]

Why can't everyone just be hot and rich and get laid a lot?

If everyone was hot and rich, nobody would be hot or rich. Everything is relative.

There are whole subreddits dedicated to mocking suicidal posts on incel boards.

There's a subreddit for everything.

There isn't one for funny memes.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Nah, it's been that way for a long time. Since the "market" was "deregulated" by the sexual revolution.

Even before, not everyone got a match.

Since the industrial revolution, yes. Before then though, most people got married because there was usually help for those who were socially disadvantaged.

[Petrasylvania]

Unfortunately, a lot of dating does kind of work like a "free market", largely because much of its functioning is structured around the profitability of the instruments or environments in which we flirt. Dating apps, for example.

Seize the means of getting a date!

Communism in dating. Wouldn't that technically be an orgy?

[Kaggeceria]

Your reliance on ad hominems really just shows how empty your arguments are.

I'm not using ad hominems any more than you are when you say I'm "whining".

"Mooooooom, he started it!"

Another term you don't understand. You really should start paying me if I'm going to be your professor.

Honey, if anyone needs to be paid to be the other's professor here, its me.

Trying to resort to being sassy? So tired and overplayed. Pathetic.

No, it isn't. You presented no other arguments against what I was saying. You simply accused me of mansplaining and left it at that. Now you're having a temper tantrum because you got called out on it and have been proven wrong several times over.

All I did was point out that what you were doing constituted mansplaining.

Without actually addressing my post. You tried to rely on accusations of mansplaining as a way to try and dismiss it. Ergo, you were trying to use appeal to authoirty as a way to dismiss my argument. Ergo, you believe Gon was right simply because she's a "perceived woman".

Also, you haven't proven jack shit.

lol

Also also, I'm being totally calm and rational. You obviously don't know what a temper tantrum consists of, because this is not one. If you think differently, feel free to ask a mod.

Doubt.

Thank you for confirming you do actually believe all the fallacious ideas that you're now trying to cover your ass over.

lolwat

Pretending that appeal to authority isn't a fallacy is in and of itself a fallacious idea.

Watch those goalposts shift.

We've gone from "more correct" to "accuracy".

Keep covering your ass, son. It gets funnier and funnier each time.

That's not shifting goalposts at all. Check yourself before you wreck yourself, kiddo.

Good god, the cringe. And it is. You shifted from "more correct" to "accurate."

Sad!

"Stop using my own statements against me."

Translation: "Stop pointing out I'm saying nothing of substance".

The pot called the kettle black.

You've really shown how petty you are and unwilling to admit you're wrong.

[Liriena]

Can't speak for situations of severe injury, but we do know that in maritime disasters men are the ones who, in most cases, have done a terrible job of saving women and children.

Provide evidence.

Of course!

https://www.ifn.se/eng/publications/wp/2012/913

Our results provide a new picture of maritime disasters. Women have a distinct survival disadvantage compared to men. Captains and crew survive at a significantly higher rate than passengers. We also find that the captain has the power to enforce normative behavior, that the gender gap in survival rates has declined, that women have a larger disadvantage in British shipwrecks, and that there seems to be no association between duration of a disaster and the impact of social norms. Taken together, our findings show that behavior in life-and-death situation is best captured by the expression ‘Every man for himself’.

And here's the full study: http://m.pnas.org/content/pnas/109/33/13220.full.pdf

[Hatterleigh]

Seize the means of getting a date!

Communism in dating. Wouldn't that technically be an orgy?

No. An orgy is communist sex.