Florida Yoga Studio Shooter Identified As InCel

[Foryis]

I doubt that was Therm's intention. If you legitimately think Lindsay Graham is a closeted homosexual then fine.

But calling him gay is usually just used as a method to try and attack him.

I think Lindsey Graham is a colony of leeches wearing a human skin. I couldn't tell you anything about the colony's collective sexuality.

Leeches are hermaphrodites

[Liriena]

A bigger push for a more positive and healthy understanding of masculinity and heterosexuality would definitely go a long way.

Very much this. Masculinity is fine. It's that there's just sorta a low key sexism that's been tied to it, similar to femininity, and it's been tied to it for so long that I think people don't know how to seperate the two all that well

Yeah.

Again, being LGBT+ probably helps in that your very identity necessitates you challenging certain expectations regarding one's own gender, expression and roles, and when you get there you've got a vibrant and genuinely varied constellation of subcultures through which you can explore your masculinity or femininity freely and guilt-free.

[Grenartia]

Its not their suicide we're mocking. Its Costa's (and other incels') defense of a murderer who was too cowardly to take responsibility for his actions and committed suicide to escape punishment.

Also, the only one calling them ugly and autistic is you. Literally only you.

LMAO you think I'm an incel. Turns out if you try and explain why people do things, you must be one of them.

You've previously said you were one.

[Balican]

A general question for this thread. There's been a lot of talk of masculinity and toxic masculinity. What would you (the reader) consider non-toxic masculinity to be?

Masculinity that's not sexist is it. It's a very simple thing really. You can be a big buff knight in armor who slays demons and bathes in their blood to increase your genital size. It's only toxic when things get tacked onto that like an idea that women are weaker or that only men can slay demons.

Would you consider men being expected to pay for meals and buy the flowers sexist? What about rings?

[Foryis]

Masculinity that's not sexist is it. It's a very simple thing really. You can be a big buff knight in armor who slays demons and bathes in their blood to increase your genital size. It's only toxic when things get tacked onto that like an idea that women are weaker or that only men can slay demons.

Would you consider men being expected to pay for meals and buy the flowers sexist? What about rings?

I consider it sexist.

[Ifreann]

Very much this. Masculinity is fine. It's that there's just sorta a low key sexism that's been tied to it, similar to femininity, and it's been tied to it for so long that I think people don't know how to seperate the two all that well

Yeah.

Again, being LGBT+ probably helps in that your very identity necessitates you challenging certain expectations regarding one's own gender, expression and roles, and when you get there you've got a vibrant and genuinely varied constellation of subcultures through which you can explore your masculinity or femininity freely and guilt-free.

Here we see queer supremacy in action.

[Grenartia]

Its not their suicide we're mocking. Its Costa's (and other incels') defense of a murderer who was too cowardly to take responsibility for his actions and committed suicide to escape punishment.

Also, the only one calling them ugly and autistic is you. Literally only you.

There are whole subreddits dedicated to mocking suicidal posts on incel boards.

And? We're not doing that here. So don't bring that up as a point of contention against us.

[Bombadil]

Why can't everyone just be hot and rich and get laid a lot?

I often say a lot of this would be solved if everyone just lowered their standards.

[Balican]

A general question for this thread. There's been a lot of talk of masculinity and toxic masculinity. What would you (the reader) consider non-toxic masculinity to be?

Not being a "Bro" in terms like this:

Toxic masculinity it generally defined as stereotypically masculine behavior. You know, big, buff, emotionally stunted alpha dude bros who get and use whatever they want and need to dominate everything, and if they don't get what they want then they tend to resort to physical violence and aggression in order to get their way.

So would the male in a relationship beeing expected to be a physical protector and do manual labor be sexist?

[New haven america]

A general question for this thread. There's been a lot of talk of masculinity and toxic masculinity. What would you (the reader) consider non-toxic masculinity to be?

Not being an asshole, helping others if you can or if they need it, understanding that other people operate and think differently than you do, etc...

Basically being a good person. (Same thing goes for non-toxic femininity)

[Liriena]

I have been in a similar position, but through a lot of hard work I learned to deal with it. And more importantly, I didn't let myself just accept and naturalize whatever resentment I had. I challenged it, refuted it, and moved past it.

Although the fact that I also liked dudes probably made things easier, to be honest.

Things are usually easier with men.

I don't know if they are actually easier in general, but I guess that there is a lack of those overwhelming and confusing expectations when it comes to flirting and dating that can be the death of shy straight guys with no experience.

[Grenartia]

Nobody really understands incels...unless they've been in a similar position.

I have been in a similar position, but through a lot of hard work I learned to deal with it. And more importantly, I didn't let myself just accept and naturalize whatever resentment I had. I challenged it, refuted it, and moved past it.

Although the fact that I also liked dudes probably made things easier, to be honest.

Same.

[Liriena]

Yeah.

Again, being LGBT+ probably helps in that your very identity necessitates you challenging certain expectations regarding one's own gender, expression and roles, and when you get there you've got a vibrant and genuinely varied constellation of subcultures through which you can explore your masculinity or femininity freely and guilt-free.

Here we see queer supremacy in action.

I mean... it is called FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY GAY SPACE COMMUNISM

[Valgora]

Not being a "Bro" in terms like this:

So would the male in a relationship beeing expected to be a physical protector and do manual labor be sexist?

No.
At least, I don't think so.

[Kaggeceria]

And yet you can't seem to grasp that there are still things like objective truths.

I do, actually. That's why I said what I fucking did. Nowhere in any of my posts have I denied the existence of objective truth. Learn to read, kiddo.

You don't seem to understand the concept very well.

Everyone thinking they are correct doesn't make them all correct,

I never said it did. If you knew how to read, you'd know that.

You seem to very think it did since you believe someone can be "more correct" than someone else.

and attempting to use someone's perceived authority as the only basis for them being correct is fallacious.

I never said it should be the only basis. I've already said as much. You have a serious problem with thinking I'm saying the exact opposite of what I actually am.

I assume that's why you tried to dismiss my entire argument based only on me being a man, and then disagreed with appeal to authority being a fallacious argument.

There is no such thing as "more correct" or "truly correct".

Fucking of course there is. That's the entire reason the concept of 'accuracy' exists.

Apparently you don't understand this concept.

Someone having authority does not make them automatically right about something. Now stop acting like it does.

I'll take "Things I never said" for $800, Alex.

"more correct"

[New haven america]

Not being a "Bro" in terms like this:

So would the male in a relationship beeing expected to be a physical protector and do manual labor be sexist?

It can be, but that wouldn't be toxic masculinity, that would be toxic femininity (As I've also gone over).

[Ostroeuropa]

Oh, bull fucking shit.

I physically cannot, so why bother? All I can do is try to bring attention to the ever increasing spectre of social isolation, which threatens an increasing number of people as the structure of our society alienates us further from our fellow humans.

Matrifocalism was fetishized by feminists and put into practice in many senses and the consequences are largely what they wanted to happen. Modern feminists like to pretend the current single-mothers dynamic is patriarchy or out of the blue and don't like to acknowledge their predecessors did it on purpose because they looked up to matrifocal tribes as utopian and viewed families as the result of male violence against women.

Driving men out of society and into an isolation where they are allowed to briefly impregnate women before returning to isolation. An example is this one indian tribe where all the men were warriors and don't live in the village, the women raised children, did everything else and all that, and the two lived separately. If a man tried to stay, the women would drive him out.

The social isolation feminists have helped to impose on men through their hostility to them, their role in the family, their social groups and so on, is a major problem. It's not just caused by feminists, but they have a large share of the blame.

It's like boars.
Female boars raise all the kids and the pack moves around by itself. Male boars leave the pack and wander around alone and isolated, sometimes impregnating another boar. Male boars live far less long.

That's matrifocalism. That's what many feminists thought things should be like and its reflected in their policy demands and advocacy. Modern feminists are just engaged in another round of denying atrocities their movement imposed on society.

[Vince Vaughn]

A general question for this thread. There's been a lot of talk of masculinity and toxic masculinity. What would you (the reader) consider non-toxic masculinity to be?

Equity traders in Dallas.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Masculinity that's not sexist is it. It's a very simple thing really. You can be a big buff knight in armor who slays demons and bathes in their blood to increase your genital size. It's only toxic when things get tacked onto that like an idea that women are weaker or that only men can slay demons.

Would you consider men being expected to pay for meals and buy the flowers sexist? What about rings?

Yes. I proposed to my husband actually. There's nothing wrong with a man being the sole provider and the woman being at home cooking meals, just the same as theres nothing wrong with the opposite.

[Foryis]

Why can't everyone just be hot and rich and get laid a lot?

I often say a lot of this would be solved if everyone just lowered their standards.

You think people would be willing to settle?

[Vince Vaughn]

Why can't everyone just be hot and rich and get laid a lot?

I often say a lot of this would be solved if everyone just lowered their standards.

I agree. People need to have realistic expectations of themselves.

[United Muscovite Nations]

This is where I step into ideology a little bit. I don't think "toxic masculinity" plays a massive role in it. What I think is totally indispensable to the mindset is radical social isolation. When you're radically socially isolated, you are very easy to influence, because you have only a very small amount of social cues to base your view of the world off of. That's why incels think that everyone goes out and has casual sex multiple times per weekend. Most incels don't care about being seen as alpha males, and even look down on this group of people. We shouldn't dismiss the desire for companionship as being the result of toxic masculinity and not as a natural urge that can become warped when it is not met. Medical studies have long shown that people with many friends and people with partners are emotionally and physically healthier.

[Vince Vaughn]

I often say a lot of this would be solved if everyone just lowered their standards.

You think people would be willing to settle?

They'd be happier if they did.

[Balican]

A general question for this thread. There's been a lot of talk of masculinity and toxic masculinity. What would you (the reader) consider non-toxic masculinity to be?

Not being an asshole, helping others if you can or if they need it, understanding that other people operate and think differently than you do, etc...

Basically being a good person. (Same thing goes for non-toxic femininity)

None of those are particularly masculine, just proper behavior. Are you trying to say that non-toxic masculinity, is not masculine?

[Right wing humour squad]

You're one of the few people willing to give a virgin a chance. Congratulations.

I feel like many are willing. It's just that that minority that insults people for being virgins is the only time it's ever talked about so it creates an illusion that the world is against you. I have some very severe mental illnesses myself so I can very much attest to the feeling that world exists to crush you because of a handful of rejections.

Minority?
I can’t remember a woman who found out about me who hasn’t attempted abuse. Everything from being ostracised to extortion. It’s like a I’m a victim you may abuse me sign to women.

Most men ask a couple of questions and then treat you like you’re a kid. There’s been a few shit cunts, but yeah mostly not that negative.

It’s pretty much to the point where we don’t tell my own staff about it.