Florida Yoga Studio Shooter Identified As InCel

[New haven america]

You should consider it a cult. Because it is. Just because they're not drinking koolaid laced with cyanide, or raping children while stockpiling military-grade weapons for Doomsday, doesn't make them any less of a cult.

I don't think charging people $800 an hour to attend "therapy" doesn't exactly quantify as a cult. But we're going off topic here.

Actually, they don't just do that. They stalk your home for months on end, send you mail and messages about how great Scientology is, go on about how they're the true belief system, shun members who leave, etc...

So yes, they are a cult.

[Foryis]

Nobody really understands incels...unless they've been in a similar position.

Some of my dearest friends are virgins. Hell my husband was a 26 year old virgin when we started dating. I genuinely understand that this is a real struggle for many

You're one of the few people willing to give a virgin a chance. Congratulations.

[United Muscovite Nations]

A lot of the comments in this thread are really good at demonstrating why this will get worse before it gets better. That instead of discussing the issue of the radical social isolation that many people face, something like half the comments here are just making fun of the ugly autistic weirdos. Like, I won't stop you guys from making fun of them, but don't act like you want to address the fundamental issue when the response to what is essentially an attempt to draw attention to their suicide is mockery.

Its not their suicide we're mocking. Its Costa's (and other incels') defense of a murderer who was too cowardly to take responsibility for his actions and committed suicide to escape punishment.

Also, the only one calling them ugly and autistic is you. Literally only you.

There are whole subreddits dedicated to mocking suicidal posts on incel boards.

[New haven america]

IDK, think so, Krag was whining about it a few pages back.

Also, it's not just homophobia, it's Leftist Homophobia.

Calling someone gay to shame them is homophobic, yes.

This is what the left does with Lindsay Graham.

How can a gay person like Therm shame someone for being gay?

[Internationalist Bastard]

I can get behind positive male social movements. I remember a while back there was a thing of guys just wearing nice formal for the sake of wearing nice formal wear, and I liked that

A bigger push for a more positive and healthy understanding of masculinity and heterosexuality would definitely go a long way.

Very much this. Masculinity is fine. It's that there's just sorta a low key sexism that's been tied to it, similar to femininity, and it's been tied to it for so long that I think people don't know how to seperate the two all that well

[Ostroeuropa]

Mens organizations and mens groups would help with this, as would adopting measures that the feminist movement did in terms of appropriation of feminine power. One major way would be mens fashion societies which would directly deal with Incel stuff as well as provide male socialization organizations and so on. It also involves appropriation of feminine power for men.

I can get behind positive male social movements. I remember a while back there was a thing of guys just wearing nice formal for the sake of wearing nice formal wear, and I liked that

There's a tendency to be hostile to any mens movement or organization that encourages men to stand up to womens sexism and claim they're "Not positive.".
Any mens fashion society I founded would go into the philosophy of the thing too and inevitably end up talking about types of power and privilege most women and feminists would rather not acknowledge exist.

[New haven america]

Its not their suicide we're mocking. Its Costa's (and other incels') defense of a murderer who was too cowardly to take responsibility for his actions and committed suicide to escape punishment.

Also, the only one calling them ugly and autistic is you. Literally only you.

There are whole subreddits dedicated to mocking suicidal posts on incel boards.

There's a subreddit for everything.

[Foryis]

I can get behind positive male social movements. I remember a while back there was a thing of guys just wearing nice formal for the sake of wearing nice formal wear, and I liked that

There's a tendency to be hostile to any mens movement or organization that encourages men to stand up to womens sexism and claim they're "Not positive.".
Any mens fashion society I founded would go into the philosophy of the thing too and inevitably end up talking about types of power and privilege most women and feminists would rather not acknowledge exist.

Exactly.

[Ostroeuropa]

I can get behind positive male social movements. I remember a while back there was a thing of guys just wearing nice formal for the sake of wearing nice formal wear, and I liked that

A bigger push for a more positive and healthy understanding of masculinity and heterosexuality would definitely go a long way.

Men shouldn't be interested in living up to a definition of masculinity that feminist women have created for their own benefit based on what they'd prefer men to be like, sorry, so while you and the other shrinking minority of male feminists are welcome to be neo-housewives or whatever, the rest of us will avoid what you think of as "Healthy and positive.".

Personally, i'd define sticking up for yourself against bullshit as a masculine trait. But oh no, suddenly we're not positive because we're not inanely ignoring negative behavior from women.

[Liriena]

Nobody really understands incels...unless they've been in a similar position.

I have been in a similar position, but through a lot of hard work I learned to deal with it. And more importantly, I didn't let myself just accept and naturalize whatever resentment I had. I challenged it, refuted it, and moved past it.

Although the fact that I also liked dudes probably made things easier, to be honest.

[Vince Vaughn]

Every knows if you're gonna kill a woman, you killer a hooker at Paul Allen's apartment, as it has a view of the park, and is probably more expensive than mine.

[Kaggeceria]

Calling someone gay to shame them is homophobic, yes.

This is what the left does with Lindsay Graham.

How can a gay person like Therm shame someone for being gay?

I doubt that was Therm's intention. If you legitimately think Lindsay Graham is a closeted homosexual then fine.

But calling him gay is usually just used as a method to try and attack him.

[Balican]

A general question for this thread. There's been a lot of talk of masculinity and toxic masculinity. What would you (the reader) consider non-toxic masculinity to be?

[Right wing humour squad]

So are we past the he was a terrible human being whose actions are either caused by hatred or homophobia with no other underlying social issues part of the Incel thread composition yet?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Some of my dearest friends are virgins. Hell my husband was a 26 year old virgin when we started dating. I genuinely understand that this is a real struggle for many

You're one of the few people willing to give a virgin a chance. Congratulations.

I feel like many are willing. It's just that that minority that insults people for being virgins is the only time it's ever talked about so it creates an illusion that the world is against you. I have some very severe mental illnesses myself so I can very much attest to the feeling that world exists to crush you because of a handful of rejections.

[Ifreann]

Its not their suicide we're mocking. Its Costa's (and other incels') defense of a murderer who was too cowardly to take responsibility for his actions and committed suicide to escape punishment.

Also, the only one calling them ugly and autistic is you. Literally only you.

There are whole subreddits dedicated to mocking suicidal posts on incel boards.

Wasn't there a subreddit dedicated to pictures of dead underage girls?

[Grenartia]

The point I'm making, is that since everyone thinks they are correct, but everyone obviously cannot be correct, and everyone cannot have complete mastery of every possible subject of inquiry, we have experts in various areas, whose primary duty is to find truth in certain areas of study. While any individual expert can be incorrect on any given matter of debate within their field, a group of experts as a whole is much less likely to be incorrect in that field than someone from the general population, and when that group of experts is incorrect, they are typically a lot closer to the truth than some rando from GenPop (I.E., Newtonian gravity is a lot more accurate at describing the precession of Mercury's orbit than some guy wearing a tinfoil hat screaming that Mercury's orbit is shaped like a square, and Relativity is even more accurate at doing so than Newtonian gravity).

Therefore, it is only logical that all else being equal, someone with experience in some area should have more credibility than someone without experience in that area.

And yet you can't seem to grasp that there are still things like objective truths.

I do, actually. That's why I said what I fucking did. Nowhere in any of my posts have I denied the existence of objective truth. Learn to read, kiddo.

Everyone thinking they are correct doesn't make them all correct,

I never said it did. If you knew how to read, you'd know that.

and attempting to use someone's perceived authority as the only basis for them being correct is fallacious.

I never said it should be the only basis. I've already said as much. You have a serious problem with thinking I'm saying the exact opposite of what I actually am.

There is no such thing as "more correct" or "truly correct".

Fucking of course there is. That's the entire reason the concept of 'accuracy' exists.

Someone having authority does not make them automatically right about something. Now stop acting like it does.

I'll take "Things I never said" for $800, Alex.

[Foryis]

Nobody really understands incels...unless they've been in a similar position.

I have been in a similar position, but through a lot of hard work I learned to deal with it. And more importantly, I didn't let myself just accept and naturalize whatever resentment I had. I challenged it, refuted it, and moved past it.

Although the fact that I also liked dudes probably made things easier, to be honest.

Things are usually easier with men.

[United Muscovite Nations]

A lot of the comments in this thread are really good at demonstrating why this will get worse before it gets better. That instead of discussing the issue of the radical social isolation that many people face, something like half the comments here are just making fun of the ugly autistic weirdos. Like, I won't stop you guys from making fun of them, but don't act like you want to address the fundamental issue when the response to what is essentially an attempt to draw attention to their suicide is mockery.

Oh, bull fucking shit.

I physically cannot, so why bother? All I can do is try to bring attention to the ever increasing spectre of social isolation, which threatens an increasing number of people as the structure of our society alienates us further from our fellow humans.

[Vince Vaughn]

Why can't everyone just be hot and rich and get laid a lot?

[Foryis]

There are whole subreddits dedicated to mocking suicidal posts on incel boards.

Wasn't there a subreddit dedicated to pictures of dead underage girls?

There was a subreddit taking creep shots of women working out at one point.

[Grenartia]

I've seen no evidence that it can, so I see no reason to bother.

Because you know you wouldn't be capable of refuting the study.

If it were flawed, I could probably point out said flaws. But there's no use in wasting my effort if you wouldn't be convinced by it.

[Ifreann]

How can a gay person like Therm shame someone for being gay?

I doubt that was Therm's intention. If you legitimately think Lindsay Graham is a closeted homosexual then fine.

But calling him gay is usually just used as a method to try and attack him.

I think Lindsey Graham is a colony of leeches wearing a human skin. I couldn't tell you anything about the colony's collective sexuality.

[Internationalist Bastard]

A general question for this thread. There's been a lot of talk of masculinity and toxic masculinity. What would you (the reader) consider non-toxic masculinity to be?

Masculinity that's not sexist is it. It's a very simple thing really. You can be a big buff knight in armor who slays demons and bathes in their blood to increase your genital size. It's only toxic when things get tacked onto that like an idea that women are weaker or that only men can slay demons.

[Valgora]

A general question for this thread. There's been a lot of talk of masculinity and toxic masculinity. What would you (the reader) consider non-toxic masculinity to be?

Not being a "Bro" in terms like this:

Toxic masculinity it generally defined as stereotypically masculine behavior. You know, big, buff, emotionally stunted alpha dude bros who get and use whatever they want and need to dominate everything, and if they don't get what they want then they tend to resort to physical violence and aggression in order to get their way.