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Costa Fierro wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Is it only your guys who aren't responsible when they commit murder, or is it men in general? Is the synagogue shooter a victim too? The MAGA bomber? The 9/11 hijackers?

Again, more strawmen.

No it's not, and you know it's not. I am not misrepresenting your argument and then refuting the misrepresentation. I'm asking you if you believe those things, because I want to know if you blame all violence on societal pressure and assumed unaddressed mental health problems, or only some violence. And here's a spoiler: whatever the answer is I'm going to want to know why you believe that.



But if you would rather throw out the names of fallacies than actually explain your beliefs then I can hardly stop you.

Harelia wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
You may lay down your life, but you won't succeed. Not that you'd be able to care, since you'd be dead.

getting rid of fetishes would be the end of civilization. If the C-Boi tags ever got erased from the internet we'd have global hellfire within the hour.

Imagine not thinking global annihilation would be a good thing

Berhakonia wrote:

Harelia wrote:
getting rid of fetishes would be the end of civilization. If the C-Boi tags ever got erased from the internet we'd have global hellfire within the hour.

Imagine not thinking global annihilation would be a good thing

Alternatively, you could keep out of people's bedrooms and keep society intact.

Maybe these people wouldn't have gotten hurt if we stopped caring about what other people were doing in their bedrooms.

Kernen wrote:

Berhakonia wrote:
Imagine not thinking global annihilation would be a good thing

Alternatively, you could keep out of people's bedrooms and keep society intact.

But we live in a society, fam

Harelia wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
Why not?

Because nobody is trans and 'doesn't realize it'

Actually, plenty of people are. The "I've always known since I was a child" bit is nowhere near universal. It only gets repeated so much because gatekeeping therapists expect to hear it to recommend hormones and the like, and because it makes for a better story in the media.

just like how I'm not 'straight and don't realize it.'

Actually, the more accurate comparison would be "being gay and not realizing it".

Eternally pansexual over here. And I'll stop liking anything and everything when I stop liking it. But that doesn't mean I'm something else besides Pan.

And did you always know you were pan? I somehow doubt it.

I mean later on down the road I could become the next ruler of Germany. Doesn't mean I'm 'The ruler of Germany and don't realize it.'

That argument is bad, and you should feel bad.

Forcing people to be trans seems pretty damn whack, bruh....

I wasn't being serious, you know. I do think a significant portion of incels are eggs, but I don't think a majority are. And the argument wasn't even to force them to be trans, it was to convince them to accept themselves as trans. There's a difference (and the one part of that statement I was being genuine about).

Ifreann wrote:No it's not, and you know it's not.

It is. You know that.

I am not misrepresenting your argument and then refuting the misrepresentation.

That is exactly what you are doing.

Berhakonia wrote:

Kernen wrote:Alternatively, you could keep out of people's bedrooms and keep society intact.

But we live in a society, fam

Which doesn't mean what consenting adults do in their bedrooms has any bearing on others.

Berhakonia wrote:

Harelia wrote:
getting rid of fetishes would be the end of civilization. If the C-Boi tags ever got erased from the internet we'd have global hellfire within the hour.

Imagine not thinking global annihilation would be a good thing

Imagine not being able to log into E621 someplace on the internet with your particular interests catered to.

Anyway, can I bring it to people's attention that the person making the videos and the gunman have not been confirmed to be the same person?

Ifreann wrote:

Costa Fierro wrote:
Again, more strawmen.

No it's not, and you know it's not. I am not misrepresenting your argument and then refuting the misrepresentation. I'm asking you if you believe those things, because I want to know if you blame all violence on societal pressure and assumed unaddressed mental health problems, or only some violence. And here's a spoiler: whatever the answer is I'm going to want to know why you believe that.



But if you would rather throw out the names of fallacies than actually explain your beliefs then I can hardly stop you.

I mean, a lot of things are influenced by societal pressure. That doesn't make the person who commits them any less responsible for the action, but easing the societal pressure that led to it is a noble goal useful to prevent future occurences.

For instance, we know that islamic terrorism has a great deal of influence from more radical islamic groups along with rampant poverty and demonization of the west as the enemy - infidels. Something something great Satan. The terrorists who bomb us are clearly responsible for doing so, but we can identify a specific form of societal pressure that made them that way, people who indoctrinated them to hate, etc.

So, if we catch a terrorist in the act and s/he doesn't manage to kill anyone else (or himself or herself), yeah - we should throw them in jail. They're guilty.

But if we want to stop the next one, we need to understand the motivations behind them, and start to undercut those motivations. That may be easier said than done mind you, but it's a noble goal.

Unless, of course, you LIKE people being murdered. Then it's not a good goal for you. But, if that's what you want, I don't really care for your goals.

Harelia wrote:

Berhakonia wrote:
Imagine not thinking global annihilation would be a good thing

Imagine not being able to log into E621 someplace on the internet with your particular interests catered to.

Imagine having somebody dictate what you can and can't get off to.

except for like, getting off to having sex with children or something like that.

Costa Fierro wrote:

Ifreann wrote:No it's not, and you know it's not.

It is. You know that.

I am not misrepresenting your argument and then refuting the misrepresentation.

That is exactly what you are doing.

Actually it is. You basically said he isn't a fault; society made him do it.

You haven't explained yourself that well. Tossing out debate terms as a dismissal isn't doing the job.

Costa Fierro wrote:Anyway, can I bring it to people's attention that the person making the videos and the gunman have not been confirmed to be the same person?

You already have, at least twice. Can I bring it to your attention that we get it and that nobody appreciates a broken record.

Grenartia wrote:

Harelia wrote:
Because nobody is trans and 'doesn't realize it'

Actually, plenty of people are. The "I've always known since I was a child" bit is nowhere near universal. It only gets repeated so much because gatekeeping therapists expect to hear it to recommend hormones and the like, and because it makes for a better story in the media.

just like how I'm not 'straight and don't realize it.'

Actually, the more accurate comparison would be "being gay and not realizing it".

Eternally pansexual over here. And I'll stop liking anything and everything when I stop liking it. But that doesn't mean I'm something else besides Pan.

And did you always know you were pan? I somehow doubt it.

I mean later on down the road I could become the next ruler of Germany. Doesn't mean I'm 'The ruler of Germany and don't realize it.'

That argument is bad, and you should feel bad.

Forcing people to be trans seems pretty damn whack, bruh....

I wasn't being serious, you know. I do think a significant portion of incels are eggs, but I don't think a majority are. And the argument wasn't even to force them to be trans, it was to convince them to accept themselves as trans. There's a difference (and the one part of that statement I was being genuine about).

Every time I hear "Convince them to accept" I think of Sucker Punch and just see straight people being lobotomized into being trans.

How about we just stop forcing trans on people and actually let them find out on their own?

Saiwania wrote:https://imgur.com/r/justneckbeardthings/7gBI95n

Just for fun, who here has taken the Normie Calculator test for R9K? Supposedly, I'm a "Robot" by 4chan standards.

Looks like I’m a chad

Caracasus wrote:Of all the reasons to commit a terror attack, not being able to get your dick wet due to your abhorrent personal qualities and utter lack of socialization has got to be the most bewilderingly pathetic.

The even worse thing about it is most of them can’t accept that they are at fault so they attempt to blame society for their failures as a person.

Mardla wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:You want a revolution and execution of GOP leadership? Because that’s how you get a revolution and execution of GOP leadership

Americans love their porn. They aren’t going to give it up

No one is going to lay down his life for porn.

Hahahaha

The Black Forrest wrote:

Costa Fierro wrote:
It is. You know that.



That is exactly what you are doing.

Actually it is. You basically said he isn't a fault; society made him do it.

You haven't explained yourself that well. Tossing out debate terms as a dismissal isn't doing the job.

This is Costa's MO in a nutshell. Say incels are never at fault for anything, and when you get called out for it, claim the people calling you out are misrepresenting your argument, but never elaborate on how, or more adequately explain your argument.

Wallenburg wrote:

Costa Fierro wrote:Anyway, can I bring it to people's attention that the person making the videos and the gunman have not been confirmed to be the same person?

You already have, at least twice. Can I bring it to your attention that we get it and that nobody appreciates a broken record.

Considering that people have ignored it and are still under the impression the person who made videos and the shooter was the same person.

The Black Forrest wrote:Actually it is. You basically said he isn't a fault; society made him do it.

Again, that is a straw man.

You haven't explained yourself that well. Tossing out debate terms as a dismissal isn't doing the job.

It is. I don't have to explain myself to people who willingly interpret anything I say negatively.

Grenartia wrote:

Harelia wrote:
Imagine not being able to log into E621 someplace on the internet with your particular interests catered to.

Imagine having somebody dictate what you can and can't get off to.

except for like, getting off to having sex with children or something like that.

I don't care what you're into...

As long as it isn't NTR. Those people are heathens and wretches.

Oh, and pedophilia. Pedo's are godless heretics.

Kernen wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
Why not?

Do we have any evidence that InCels are mostly closeted trans people?

Well more than a few happened to be. A lot are deeply closeted gay men

Grenartia wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
Actually it is. You basically said he isn't a fault; society made him do it.

You haven't explained yourself that well. Tossing out debate terms as a dismissal isn't doing the job.

This is Costa's MO in a nutshell. Say incels are never at fault for anything, and when you get called out for it, claim the people calling you out are misrepresenting your argument, but never elaborate on how, or more adequately explain your argument.

"It's not the incel's fault."

"he killed people."

"STOP MISREPRESENTING MEEEE!"

Thermodolia wrote:

Kernen wrote:Do we have any evidence that InCels are mostly closeted trans people?

Well more than a few happened to be. A lot are deeply closeted gay men

That doesn't mean that the claimed 50% are. But it was later found to be a joke that translated poorly.

Grenartia wrote:This is Costa's MO in a nutshell. Say incels are never at fault for anything, and when you get called out for it, claim the people calling you out are misrepresenting your argument, but never elaborate on how, or more adequately explain your argument.

That's because he can't admit that the basis of his defense of incel violence against women is simply that he hates women.

Kernen wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Well more than a few happened to be. A lot are deeply closeted gay men

That doesn't mean that the claimed 50% are. But it was later found to be a joke that translated poorly.

I would say that about 3% of Incels are most likely trans with a whopping 40% being deep in the closet gay men