Florida Yoga Studio Shooter Identified As InCel

[Thermodolia]

You're free to think that, and I'm free to disagree with you.

Coming soon to SyFy: InCel vs MGTOW.

UMN isn’t MGTOW. He’s just traditional

[Petrasylvania]

Coming soon to SyFy: InCel vs MGTOW.

UMN isn’t MGTOW. He’s just traditional

I didn't say he was the MGTOW.

[Thermodolia]

UMN isn’t MGTOW. He’s just traditional

I didn't say he was the MGTOW.

You insinuated it

[Ifreann]

I didn't say he was the MGTOW.

You insinuated it

He was referring to Costa.

[Thermodolia]

You insinuated it

He was referring to Costa.

Costa is an Incel.

[Ifreann]

He was referring to Costa.

Costa is an Incel.

Considering I'm not an incel, no.

[Bugle Islands]

Whorehouses

[Vassenor]

Whorehouses

What about them?

[Petrasylvania]

Whorehouses

What about them?

A supposed solution to InCels that fail because InCels are disgusted by prostitutes and want nothing less than their own personal Gorean kajira fuckslave.

[Thermodolia]

Costa is an Incel.

Considering I'm not an incel, no.

Then why does he act like one? If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck it’s probably a fucking duck

[Petrasylvania]

Then why does he act like one? If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck it’s probably a fucking duck

He wants all marriage abolished. Not what an InCel wanting a relationship would call for, more a MGTOW who wants the opposite gender quarantined.

[Saiwania]

There was a poll done for why people have become Incels, and the top 5 reasons are as follows:

Low Self-Esteem - 21%
Discouragement from past experiences - 18%
Anxiety and Depression - 15%
Social Isolation - 14%
Unconscious repetition of childhood patterns - 9%

If all of this was easy to address or resolve, the lion's share of the Incel problem would go away. But its not. Some people just can't be reached, and it is seen perhaps reasonably; that it is someone's own responsibility to take initiative or to help themselves or to get help, in whatever form this may be.

[Thermodolia]

Then why does he act like one? If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck it’s probably a fucking duck

He wants all marriage abolished. Not what an InCel wanting a relationship would call for, more a MGTOW who wants the opposite gender quarantined.

Several Incels want marriage abolished. There’s a massive amount of overlap in those communities. I’d say that a vast majority of MGTOW is Incel.

[Aclion]

He wants all marriage abolished. Not what an InCel wanting a relationship would call for, more a MGTOW who wants the opposite gender quarantined.

Several Incels want marriage abolished. There’s a massive amount of overlap in those communities. I’d say that a vast majority of MGTOW is Incel.

It's impossible to be both. Incels see value in a romantic(really, sexual) relationship and resent woman because no one wants them. MGTOW have for whatever reason stopped seeing value in such relationships. They're fundamentally opposed worldviews.

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Several Incels want marriage abolished. There’s a massive amount of overlap in those communities. I’d say that a vast majority of MGTOW is Incel.

It's impossible to be both. Incels see value in a romantic(really, sexual) relationship and resent woman because no one wants them. MGTOW have for whatever reason stopped seeing value in such relationships. They're fundamentally opposed worldviews.

Both worldviews stem from a male victim mentality.

[Senkaku]

There’s a massive amount of overlap in those communities.

^ this is really the only relevant point on this little argument. They may all call themselves slightly different things and use slightly different terminology or have slightly different ideas of how the world should work out in the end, but it's just minor tweaks or iterations of the same hateful crap.

[Aclion]

It's impossible to be both. Incels see value in a romantic(really, sexual) relationship and resent woman because no one wants them. MGTOW have for whatever reason stopped seeing value in such relationships. They're fundamentally opposed worldviews.

Both worldviews stem from a male victim mentality.

Are you a milkmaid? Because that is is utterly irrelevant.

[Ostroeuropa]

It's impossible to be both. Incels see value in a romantic(really, sexual) relationship and resent woman because no one wants them. MGTOW have for whatever reason stopped seeing value in such relationships. They're fundamentally opposed worldviews.

Both worldviews stem from a male victim mentality.

So what. Plenty of views do and you're being flippantly dismissive to pretend its relevant to comparing them. Everything TRP stands for is against the MRM and visa versa, and so on. This attitude you've implied here is one of the reasons mens issues go unresolved, because of feminists pretending these things overlap.

Unlike you feminists we at least put in large effort to distinguish each-other and draw clear lines of distinction between each-other, and merely because the overall mens movement has cottoned on to why that might be a good idea and the womens movement hasn't isn't a good reason for you to ignore it. That you think "It all stems from a (gender) victim mentality so its the same thing" is sufficient cause to lump them all together is one of the things wrong with your movement and one of the major reasons it's a trainwreck. Maybe if you didn't think like that, your movement wouldn't be so awash with sexists. We've made efforts to ensure they're happy to sit in their own spaces, under their own labels, instead of infesting our discourse, something you guys should have done.

[Ostroeuropa]

There’s a massive amount of overlap in those communities.

^ this is really the only relevant point on this little argument. They may all call themselves slightly different things and use slightly different terminology or have slightly different ideas of how the world should work out in the end, but it's just minor tweaks or iterations of the same hateful crap.

Fundamentally disagree. Incels are drastically different from MGTOWs in focus, rhetoric, policy, and so on. MGTOWs focus on altering your own behavior to minimize risk to yourself and push for being yourself without consideration for others opinions and so on. One of the reasons Incels lash out is their worldview suggests there is nothing that can be done to improve your situation.

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Both worldviews stem from a male victim mentality.

Are you a milkmaid? Because that is is utterly irrelevant.

If that was a joke or a pun, I don't get it, you'll have to explain that to me.

[Ostroeuropa]

He wants all marriage abolished. Not what an InCel wanting a relationship would call for, more a MGTOW who wants the opposite gender quarantined.

Several Incels want marriage abolished. There’s a massive amount of overlap in those communities. I’d say that a vast majority of MGTOW is Incel.

MGTOW of the more extreme variety are voluntarily celibate, so this makes literally no sense, their discourse revolves around relations with women are a bad idea for men for their own sake.
Incel discourse revolves around power disparities in dating, why women refusing to sleep with some men is unfair, and so on.

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Both worldviews stem from a male victim mentality.

So what. Plenty of views do and you're being flippantly dismissive to pretend its relevant to comparing them. Everything TRP stands for is against the MRM and visa versa, and so on. This attitude you've implied here is one of the reasons mens issues go unresolved, because of feminists pretending these things overlap.

Unlike you feminists we at least put in large effort to distinguish each-other and draw clear lines of distinction between each-other, and merely because the overall mens movement has cottoned on to why that might be a good idea and the womens movement hasn't isn't a good reason for you to ignore it.

I'm all for men's rights, I just realize that the problems men face haven't been exclusively inflicted by women, since men still are the vast majority of the people who make the rules.

There are lots of men's issues, but many of them are inflicted by other men. Take a look at those who call themselves incels, that's just men dragging other men down.

[Ostroeuropa]

So what. Plenty of views do and you're being flippantly dismissive to pretend its relevant to comparing them. Everything TRP stands for is against the MRM and visa versa, and so on. This attitude you've implied here is one of the reasons mens issues go unresolved, because of feminists pretending these things overlap.

Unlike you feminists we at least put in large effort to distinguish each-other and draw clear lines of distinction between each-other, and merely because the overall mens movement has cottoned on to why that might be a good idea and the womens movement hasn't isn't a good reason for you to ignore it.

I'm all for men's rights, I just realize that the problems men face haven't been exclusively inflicted by women, since men still are the vast majority of the people who make the rules.

There are lots of men's issues, but many of them are inflicted by other men. Take a look at those who call themselves incels, that's just men dragging other men down.

Literally none of the mens movements claim mens problems are inflicted solely by women, none of them. Not a single one. They merely discuss the problems women do inflict, through various lenses and methodologies that are mutually exclusive.

Oh look its that superficial and self-serving understanding of politics and power feminists use again.
There are zero billionaires in the senate and congress. Zero. Working class people have more "representation" under feminist logic, a laughable suggestion that would be seen immediately for how insincere and duplicitous it is if used by a billionaire, but feminist women use it all the time and have gaslit you into adopting it. Lobbying power is political power, not someone in government having the same traits as you. There are thousands of womens organizations and lobbies and almost none for men. This is ignored in favor of nonsense by this evaluation you've given because to analyze power properly would reveal feminist narratives to be not only supremacist, but laughably basic and superficial when they have to be in order to keep up the nonsense psychodrama they peddle.

The impact of this power disparity is that women lobby for laws that serve their interests, but men can't. Feminists gaslight the public over them also representing men, but this fails to translate into practice (See the routine ammendments to the sexual offences act in the UK at the behest of feminist lobbies, and how not a single one of those ammendments changed the definition of rape to include women perpetrators and how none of those organizations pushed for it, something demanded by ALL of the handful of mens lobbies in the UK.)

[Vassenor]

Both worldviews stem from a male victim mentality.

So what. Plenty of views do and you're being flippantly dismissive to pretend its relevant to comparing them. Everything TRP stands for is against the MRM and visa versa, and so on. This attitude you've implied here is one of the reasons mens issues go unresolved, because of feminists pretending these things overlap.

Unlike you feminists we at least put in large effort to distinguish each-other and draw clear lines of distinction between each-other, and merely because the overall mens movement has cottoned on to why that might be a good idea and the womens movement hasn't isn't a good reason for you to ignore it. That you think "It all stems from a (gender) victim mentality so its the same thing" is sufficient cause to lump them all together is one of the things wrong with your movement and one of the major reasons it's a trainwreck. Maybe if you didn't think like that, your movement wouldn't be so awash with sexists. We've made efforts to ensure they're happy to sit in their own spaces, under their own labels, instead of infesting our discourse, something you guys should have done.

Or maybe, rather than stupidity, it's a sign that the feminist movement isn't so full of so much toxic behaviour that people need to go "no, we're not like -those- people".

[Petrasylvania]

So what. Plenty of views do and you're being flippantly dismissive to pretend its relevant to comparing them. Everything TRP stands for is against the MRM and visa versa, and so on. This attitude you've implied here is one of the reasons mens issues go unresolved, because of feminists pretending these things overlap.

Unlike you feminists we at least put in large effort to distinguish each-other and draw clear lines of distinction between each-other, and merely because the overall mens movement has cottoned on to why that might be a good idea and the womens movement hasn't isn't a good reason for you to ignore it. That you think "It all stems from a (gender) victim mentality so its the same thing" is sufficient cause to lump them all together is one of the things wrong with your movement and one of the major reasons it's a trainwreck. Maybe if you didn't think like that, your movement wouldn't be so awash with sexists. We've made efforts to ensure they're happy to sit in their own spaces, under their own labels, instead of infesting our discourse, something you guys should have done.

Or maybe, rather than stupidity, it's a sign that the feminist movement isn't so full of so much toxic behaviour that people need to go "no, we're not like -those- people".

When was the last time a self-professed feminist went on a mass shooting spree?