Florida Yoga Studio Shooter Identified As InCel

[Internationalist Bastard]

Traditional gender roles state man is provider, woman is caretaker

But the man being a physical protector and doing manual labor doesn't really imply that the woman should do the majority of the chores.
Especially since there are chores that require manual labor.

Doing dishes, cooking, cleaning, childcare

[United Muscovite Nations]

This is where I step into ideology a little bit. I don't think "toxic masculinity" plays a massive role in it. What I think is totally indispensable to the mindset is radical social isolation. When you're radically socially isolated, you are very easy to influence, because you have only a very small amount of social cues to base your view of the world off of. That's why incels think that everyone goes out and has casual sex multiple times per weekend. Most incels don't care about being seen as alpha males, and even look down on this group of people. We shouldn't dismiss the desire for companionship as being the result of toxic masculinity and not as a natural urge that can become warped when it is not met. Medical studies have long shown that people with many friends and people with partners are emotionally and physically healthier.

[The South Falls]

Minority?
I can’t remember a woman who found out about me who hasn’t attempted abuse. Everything from being ostracised to extortion. It’s like a I’m a victim you may abuse me sign to women.

Most men ask a couple of questions and then treat you like you’re a kid. There’s been a few shit cunts, but yeah mostly not that negative.

It’s pretty much to the point where we don’t tell my own staff about it.

Women absolutely hate virgins.

Who said so?

[Ifreann]

Women absolutely hate virgins.

Who said so?

Incels who only ever talk to other incels.

[Internationalist Bastard]

But the man being a physical protector and doing manual labor doesn't really imply that the woman should do the majority of the chores.
Especially since there are chores that require manual labor.

If the man gets severely injured who is going to protect him?

This is why before marrying one should always determine if their spouse would be useful in the shield wall

[Bombadil]

The majority of people believe they are above average.

Think about it.

Instagram and Tinder helped with that.

Well.. I'll go dig it up but in looking at ranges on some dating site - OKCupid I think - they noticed that women selected age ranges within a few years of themselves, I think it's only around 40 that they start selecting even slightly younger than themselves.. men top out at 22 for women.

[Ostroeuropa]

Things are usually easier with men groups of people who society shares similar expectations for.

Phicksed.

Women say things are easier with other women, men say things are easier with other men. This leads me to believe that the problem isn't women or men, but with how society treats women and men.

Women have a measurably large in group bias that men lack. (WaW studies.)
Only women show cognitive balance between thinking "If women are good, I must be good.", men do not have this trait, etc, etc.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15491274

You've also got the studies showing women enforce norms all the time whether or not men are around and men enforce them when women are around but not so much when women aren't there.

http://www.overcomingbias.com/2011/06/w ... norms.html

So the notion that women think women are easier? It's rooted in their overly positive view of women. It's not actually easier for them but they think it is because they don't like to view women negatively even when women behave negatively and self-destructively, but men with men? It's actually easier.

Then you've got the studies showing women teachers punish boys and mark them lower than girls, but male teachers don't do this. AND the same study shows, the girl students have a dysfunctional interpetation of the dynamic and don't understand what the reality is, but the boy students accurately describe the situation.

This is precisely what you'd expect from only one gender having any decent discourse on how not to be a chauvinistic bigot, and the other one having plenty of discourse on how to rationalize their chauvinism to themselves. That's what feminism is.

Pretending its "Not a problem with women or men" is ignoring that, yeah, it is mate.

It USED to be both.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Women absolutely hate virgins.

Who said so?

No necessarily virgins, but if you're an odd person, women can be pretty damn harsh.

[The South Falls]

But the man being a physical protector and doing manual labor doesn't really imply that the woman should do the majority of the chores.
Especially since there are chores that require manual labor.

If the man gets severely injured who is going to protect him?

The fucking hospital.

[Liriena]

I figure the best definition of such a masculinity would be a negative one? Like, non-toxic masculinity would be masculinity without its toxic bits? I don't think such a masculinity could have a singular, universal positive definition.

You don't know the answer because it's a term feminists appropriated for disingenuous reasons in order to derail a conversation pertaining to mens issues and distort terminology. Same as they did with rape culture.

More like I "don't know the answer" because I'm thinking in rather post-modern terms. I lean towards thinking that any attempt to define a singular definition of the ideal masculinity would be as doomed as attempts to define a singular, universal concept of femininity. Even if you attempt it with the broadest, most forward-thinking mind, you are going to have blindspots. I figure it'd be better to take an approach along the lines of "explore and define your own masculinity/femininity freely and just keep an eye out for bits and pieces that might hurt you or others".

Not interested in the home-made essay underneath the accusation.

[The South Falls]

Who said so?

No necessarily virgins, but if you're an odd person, women can be pretty damn harsh.

Hand raise here.

But, not all women can be like that. People who love you won't be like that to you.

[Balican]

Okay, so equality is not considered toxic-masculinity, but what is something definitively masculine that is not toxic?

Well honestly that goes into my general belief that gender roles are stupid to begin with but I'll use beards. Beards are often seen as important to male culture. One's facial hair often reflects the personality and culture of the individual. Many men spend long periods of time carefully grooming their hair to achieve the exact look they desire. I see this as masculine, and something men rightfully take pride in.

So would positive masculinity be only aesthetics and appearance based, or was that just an at-hand example?

[Valgora]

But the man being a physical protector and doing manual labor doesn't really imply that the woman should do the majority of the chores.
Especially since there are chores that require manual labor.

If the man gets severely injured who is going to protect him?

Friends, the female, a dog if it's properly trained, a gun

[Grenartia]

Traditional gender roles state man is provider, woman is caretaker

But the man being a physical protector and doing manual labor doesn't really imply that the woman should do the majority of the chores.
Especially since there are chores that require manual labor.

The woman being the caretaker is what implies women should do the majority of the chores. Actually, its less of an implicit statement, and more of an explicit one. The only concession given to women regarding what chores should be done by men is the ones that require manual labor or some element of danger (i.e., mowing the lawn, chopping firewood, etc.)

[Foryis]

Women absolutely hate virgins.

Who said so?

https://www.psypost.org/2016/10/study-b ... able-45412

[Kaggeceria]

You don't seem to understand the concept very well.

I understand it just fine. You don't seem to read very well, despite my attempts to write in a way that you cannot possibly misunderstand.

Your reliance on ad hominems really just shows how empty your arguments are.

You seem to very think it did since you believe someone can be "more correct" than someone else.

That's a non-sequitur if I've ever seen one.

Another term you don't understand. You really should start paying me if I'm going to be your professor.

I assume that's why you tried to dismiss my entire argument based only on me being a man, and then disagreed with appeal to authority being a fallacious argument.

"Dismisssed my entire argumetn based only on me being a man" is quite the oversimplification.

No, it isn't. You presented no other arguments against what I was saying. You simply accused me of mansplaining and left it at that. Now you're having a temper tantrum because you got called out on it and have been proven wrong several times over.

And yes, I do disagree with the idea that appeal to authority should be considered a fallacy.

Thank you for confirming you do actually believe all the fallacious ideas that you're now trying to cover your ass over.

Apparently you don't understand this concept.

Apparently you don't understand that "accuracy" is a way of determining how correct something is.

Either objective truth exists, and accuracy is a way of measuring how close it is, or objective truth does not exist, in which case there's no use for accuracy.

Watch those goalposts shift.

We've gone from "more correct" to "accuracy".

Keep covering your ass, son. It gets funnier and funnier each time.

"more correct"

Broken record.

"Stop using my own statements against me."

[United Muscovite Nations]

No necessarily virgins, but if you're an odd person, women can be pretty damn harsh.

Hand raise here.

But, not all women can be like that. People who love you won't be like that to you.

Certainly not all women are like that, but many are, and a few bad experiences can hurt your opinion of women.

[Grenartia]

Dunno. Trump has expressed interest in banning porn at least. If the GOP gets a supermajority, I predict national restrictions on porn and prostitution, also ban on abortion and a reintroduction of DOMA.

Why can't we have the government stay out of our personal lives?

Because that implies giving people equal rights, which Parkus hates the idea of, because [stupid reasons].

[Foryis]

If the man gets severely injured who is going to protect him?

Friends, the female, a dog if it's properly trained, a gun

I"m willing to bet the female will abandon him.

[Liriena]

Who said so?

https://www.psypost.org/2016/10/study-b ... able-45412

Your source doesn't explicitly mention results along gender lines. We are only assuming that it does.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Well honestly that goes into my general belief that gender roles are stupid to begin with but I'll use beards. Beards are often seen as important to male culture. One's facial hair often reflects the personality and culture of the individual. Many men spend long periods of time carefully grooming their hair to achieve the exact look they desire. I see this as masculine, and something men rightfully take pride in.

So would positive masculinity be only aesthetics and appearance based, or was that just an at-hand example?

Well I don't really believe personality is masculine or feminine, just altered by societal growth and guided by personal interests

[Valgora]

Friends, the female, a dog if it's properly trained, a gun

I"m willing to bet the female will abandon him.

In most situations, I doubt that.

[Hatterleigh]

In an age where people are getting worse at socializing, this is only bound to happen. We need programs to help these socially awkward men before they take the blackpill.

[Farnhamia]

Wow, what a freaking loser. Whatever happened to the days when you just accepted that you couldn't get laid? Now dumbasses have to shoot at women cause they're angry the chicks dont want their basement dwelling neckbeard looking ass. Like seriously grow up, that's so pathetic. No one should have to die because you're forever alone.

Matter of fact, almost all the alt right crowd comes across to me as a cringeworthy collective of white trash, basement dwelling neckbeards and delusional psychopaths who wear trench coats. Seriously, this is a group who loses sleep because women and children from third world nations are fleeing here just so they can eat, think the president is like good king donald who can give them everything they want, and that "Da Jews" are behind everything terrible that ever happened to them. This is the movement whose head said "to win the war we need dank memes." What a joke, I don't know if future generations will look back horrified or laughing their asses off at these bottom feeders. Bunch of social outcasts lashing out due to their loneliness and the fact everyone makes fun of neckbeards, crazy school shooters and hillbillies.

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[Liriena]

Well honestly that goes into my general belief that gender roles are stupid to begin with but I'll use beards. Beards are often seen as important to male culture. One's facial hair often reflects the personality and culture of the individual. Many men spend long periods of time carefully grooming their hair to achieve the exact look they desire. I see this as masculine, and something men rightfully take pride in.

So would positive masculinity be only aesthetics and appearance based, or was that just an at-hand example?

To be fair, defining masculinity or femininity is its own philosophical can of worms because, to go really deep into it, first you have to decide from which theoretical framework you are approaching it (whether you think gender is performative, some sort of psychological essence, a natural essence...).