US Midterm Elections Megathread III: Hitting The Wall

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Please do show me an example, in RECENT times, of Democrats pulling the same level of shit the Republicans are.

Gerrymandering doesn't count, as shitty as it is.

If gerrymandering "doesn't count", then cease to use it as a chip against the Republicans.

Otherwise, it counts.

[Corrian]

Please do show me an example, in RECENT times, of Democrats pulling the same level of shit the Republicans are.

Gerrymandering doesn't count, as shitty as it is.

If gerrymandering "doesn't count", then cease to use it as a chip against the Republicans.

Otherwise, it counts.

In this case, it does not count. I'm referring to things like what Michigan and Wisconsin are doing, and what North Carolina has tried to do.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Please do show me an example, in RECENT times, of Democrats pulling the same level of shit the Republicans are.

Gerrymandering doesn't count, as shitty as it is.

On what topic exactly?

[Corrian]

Please do show me an example, in RECENT times, of Democrats pulling the same level of shit the Republicans are.

Gerrymandering doesn't count, as shitty as it is.

On what topic exactly?

See above.

[San Lumen]

Please do show me an example, in RECENT times, of Democrats pulling the same level of shit the Republicans are.

Gerrymandering doesn't count, as shitty as it is.

If gerrymandering "doesn't count", then cease to use it as a chip against the Republicans.

Otherwise, it counts.

I have never heard of Democrats doing anything like what Republicans have done in Wisconsin. In Michigan it could still be stopped if the Governor vetoes it but i doubt he will.

[Washington Resistance Army]

On what topic exactly?

See above.

On that specific topic I'm not really aware of anything, though it's also not really a topic I care about so that might contribute.

The Dems shitiness bleeds through on a lot of other things.

[Oldenfranck]

How Tester turned a Clinton beating 56-36 into a 50-47 narrow win, we sure got a talented lineup of candidates, incredible.

[Salandriagado]

Nah, I want actual progress on climate change.

Progress, how?

i mean for fucks sake havent we been reducing our emissions meanwhile China's air can be best described as cancerous?

Start a space industry and start building giant infra-red mirrors and shipping them to L1.

[Valrifell]

See above.

On that specific topic I'm not really aware of anything, though it's also not really a topic I care about so that might contribute.

The Dems shitiness bleeds through on a lot of other things.

Though you find the Dem policy positions shitty, I don't think you really take issue with how dirty they play.

[Valrifell]

Please do show me an example, in RECENT times, of Democrats pulling the same level of shit the Republicans are.

Gerrymandering doesn't count, as shitty as it is.

If gerrymandering "doesn't count", then cease to use it as a chip against the Republicans.

Otherwise, it counts.

I want you to realize that since Reps had more state houses and governorships in the last census year, Republicans gerrymandered more states far more egregiously than Democrats could.

This is a demonstrable fact, actually.

[G-Tech Corporation]

If gerrymandering "doesn't count", then cease to use it as a chip against the Republicans.

Otherwise, it counts.

I want you to realize that since Reps had more state houses and governorships in the last census year, Republicans gerrymandered more states far more egregiously than Democrats could.

This is a demonstrable fact, actually.

That argument is so vapid it could enable lighter than air travel.

“They had less latitude to gerrymander, therefore they gerrymandered less” says absolutely nothing about the Party in question, save that they lacked agency to carry out their lack of principles. Are we supposed to be applauding that the Party was on its back foot in 2010, such paragons of virtue?

[Valrifell]

I want you to realize that since Reps had more state houses and governorships in the last census year, Republicans gerrymandered more states far more egregiously than Democrats could.

This is a demonstrable fact, actually.

That argument is so vapid it could enable lighter than air travel.

“They had less latitude to gerrymander, therefore they gerrymandered less” says absolutely nothing about the Party in question, save that they lacked agency to carry out their lack of principles. Are we supposed to be applauding that the Party was on its back foot in 2010, such paragons of virtue?

No, but you can't create the argument that bothsides gerrymander equally when that is objectively impossible. The conditions simply didn't exist during the last time redistricting was going on, so the current gerrymandering problem is most assuredly primarily a Republican's problem because they're the ones currently actively engaging in it.

Even when you take into account the fact that Reps were in control in 2010, if I recall correctly, Rep districts are still more likely to simply be horrendous.

Not trying to absolve Democrats, but Reps are objectively worse on this front. #Bothsides need to be reigned in through a series of reforms (either independent commissions or abolishing the idea of districts altogether) yet those ideas only have any amount of traction on one side of the aisle. Curious.

[Telconi]

That argument is so vapid it could enable lighter than air travel.

“They had less latitude to gerrymander, therefore they gerrymandered less” says absolutely nothing about the Party in question, save that they lacked agency to carry out their lack of principles. Are we supposed to be applauding that the Party was on its back foot in 2010, such paragons of virtue?

No, but you can't create the argument that bothsides gerrymander equally when that is objectively impossible. The conditions simply didn't exist during the last time redistricting was going on, so the current gerrymandering problem is most assuredly primarily a Republican's problem because they're the ones currently actively engaging in it.

Even when you take into account the fact that Reps were in control in 2010, if I recall correctly, Rep districts are still more likely to simply be horrendous.

Not trying to absolve Democrats, but Reps are objectively worse on this front. #Bothsides need to be reigned in through a series of reforms (either independent commissions or abolishing the idea of districts altogether) yet those ideas only have any amount of traction on one side of the aisle. Curious.

"""Independent Commissions""" suck.

[San Lumen]

No, but you can't create the argument that bothsides gerrymander equally when that is objectively impossible. The conditions simply didn't exist during the last time redistricting was going on, so the current gerrymandering problem is most assuredly primarily a Republican's problem because they're the ones currently actively engaging in it.

Even when you take into account the fact that Reps were in control in 2010, if I recall correctly, Rep districts are still more likely to simply be horrendous.

Not trying to absolve Democrats, but Reps are objectively worse on this front. #Bothsides need to be reigned in through a series of reforms (either independent commissions or abolishing the idea of districts altogether) yet those ideas only have any amount of traction on one side of the aisle. Curious.

"""Independent Commissions""" suck.

How?

[Kowani]

"""Independent Commissions""" suck.

How?

They hurt Republican chances of winning, so he doesn’t like them.

But, I’m sure the rebuttal will be something about how they’re not actually independent or apolitical, or something similar.

[Vassenor]

How?

They hurt Republican chances of winning, so he doesn’t like them.

But, I’m sure the rebuttal will be something about how they’re not actually independent or apolitical, or something similar.

Presumably because they don't blindly side with the Republicans every single time and thus must be biased.

[Telconi]

"""Independent Commissions""" suck.

How?

They don't eliminate Gerrymandering, they just make it magically okay because the commission did it.

[San Lumen]

How?

They don't eliminate Gerrymandering, they just make it magically okay because the commission did it.

California is still gerrymandered to you? It has some of the fairest lines anywhere in the country or do you not like it because Democrats still get the most seats?

[Western Vale Confederacy]

They don't eliminate Gerrymandering, they just make it magically okay because the commission did it.

California is still gerrymandered to you? It has some of the fairest lines anywhere in the country or do you not like it because Democrats still get the most seats?

California, which has effectively become a one-party state with Democrats running against Democrats.

[San Lumen]

California is still gerrymandered to you? It has some of the fairest lines anywhere in the country or do you not like it because Democrats still get the most seats?

California, which has effectively become a one-party state with Democrats running against Democrats.

That is due to the stupid top two primary. The people choose two democrats to run in some districts and for the Senate election

[Telconi]

They don't eliminate Gerrymandering, they just make it magically okay because the commission did it.

California is still gerrymandered to you? It has some of the fairest lines anywhere in the country or do you not like it because Democrats still get the most seats?

Fairest lines according to whom?

[San Lumen]

California is still gerrymandered to you? It has some of the fairest lines anywhere in the country or do you not like it because Democrats still get the most seats?

Fairest lines according to whom?

Political analysts for starters.

[Telconi]

Fairest lines according to whom?

Political analysts for starters.

I bet I could find a 'political analyst' to support essentilly any position.

They're heavily gerrymandered, you don't get such oddly shaped districts unless you're drawing them with an ulterior motive.

[San Lumen]

Political analysts for starters.

I bet I could find a 'political analyst' to support essentilly any position.

They're heavily gerrymandered, you don't get such oddly shaped districts unless you're drawing them with an ulterior motive.

The districts in California are not oddly drawn.

Take a look at North Carolina, Michigan or Wisconsin at the state and federal level and you will see gerrymandering

[Freezic Vast]

I bet I could find a 'political analyst' to support essentilly any position.

They're heavily gerrymandered, you don't get such oddly shaped districts unless you're drawing them with an ulterior motive.

The districts in California are not oddly drawn. Take a look at North Carolina, Michigan or Wisconsin at the state and federal level and you will see gerrymandering

Yes they are.

And what about the packing of deep blue districts in PA, that's gerrymandering.