US Midterm Elections Megathread III: Hitting The Wall

[Shrillland]

You have government proof of China actually interfering in the midterms or just praying they actually will so you can sing "NO COLLUSION"?

Doesn’t matter if they did or not. China is a threat to our nation. They must be put down by any means necessary.

China should never have been allowed to form into a single nation

It's more or less always been one. The interwar Republic was the exception to this rather than the rule.

[Shrillland]

Lumen, take my advice and don't engage.

To the matter at hand, here's another question for you all: With all the talk about districts changing hands, how many of us would actually see that where they live?

Here in Illinois' 18th(Peoria-Springfield), it's not happening. LaHood will remain for as long as he wants like his father before him. Our governorship's changing hands, but Pritzker won't be as effective as some think.

Congressional office is locked down, chance of it flipping is miniscule. State Senate and assembly are also likely to retain. I haven't paid any attention to U.S. Senate.

Aye, for all the fuss I hear about Janz, he can't really unseat Nunes. Your senate race....Feinstein again I'd say. My state Senate and House will also be retained because they're unopposed and have been. Last Democrat to run for State Senate in my district was in 2002, and I don't think I was alive for the last Democrat to run for State House.

[Thermodolia]

Doesn’t matter if they did or not. China is a threat to our nation. They must be put down by any means necessary.

China should never have been allowed to form into a single nation

You’re several thousand years too late to change that, buddy.

Only about 100. Before the 1910s China was a bunch of warlord states with the great powers controlling a lot of them.

[Telconi]

Congressional office is locked down, chance of it flipping is miniscule. State Senate and assembly are also likely to retain. I haven't paid any attention to U.S. Senate.

Aye, for all the fuss I hear about Janz, he can't really unseat Nunes. Your senate race....Feinstein again I'd say. My state Senate and House will also be retained because they're unopposed and have been. Last Democrat to run for State Senate in my district was in 2002, and I don't think I was alive for the last Democrat to run for State House.

Yeah, Janz might have had a chance early on, but he fucked up bad.

And yeah, from what I know Feinstein is likely to win, the whole U.S. Sense thing us functionally irrelevant though, Feinstein and DeLeon are cut from the same cloth, the entire campaign was literally about who held the same positions more than the other person held those same positions

[Thermodolia]

Doesn’t matter if they did or not. China is a threat to our nation. They must be put down by any means necessary.

China should never have been allowed to form into a single nation

It's more or less always been one. The interwar Republic was the exception to this rather than the rule.

Yes but the previous royal governments didn’t focus on the military because they where worried it would overthrow them. Hence why I don’t care about anything before 1900

[San Lumen]

Aye, for all the fuss I hear about Janz, he can't really unseat Nunes. Your senate race....Feinstein again I'd say. My state Senate and House will also be retained because they're unopposed and have been. Last Democrat to run for State Senate in my district was in 2002, and I don't think I was alive for the last Democrat to run for State House.

Yeah, Janz might have had a chance early on, but he fucked up bad.

And yeah, from what I know Feinstein is likely to win, the whole U.S. Sense thing us functionally irrelevant though, Feinstein and DeLeon are cut from the same cloth, the entire campaign was literally about who held the same positions more than the other person held those same positions

and the people chose them in the primary

[Telconi]

Yeah, Janz might have had a chance early on, but he fucked up bad.

And yeah, from what I know Feinstein is likely to win, the whole U.S. Sense thing us functionally irrelevant though, Feinstein and DeLeon are cut from the same cloth, the entire campaign was literally about who held the same positions more than the other person held those same positions

and the people chose them in the primary

No shit. Any other enlightening factoids you wish to share?

[Loben]

Yeah, Janz might have had a chance early on, but he fucked up bad.

And yeah, from what I know Feinstein is likely to win, the whole U.S. Sense thing us functionally irrelevant though, Feinstein and DeLeon are cut from the same cloth, the entire campaign was literally about who held the same positions more than the other person held those same positions

and the people chose them in the primary

i failed civics what da fuck is a primary.

[Corrian]

They can do that, yes. If done right, however, they can alternatively be the gateway to the bill that you want.

I find that never really happens, not when there's any significant opposition.

Party passes shitty bill, shitty bill gets attacked by opposition, party has to defend shitty bill, party begins to hype shitty bill as totally not shitty, party defends shitty bill as if it's a shitty hill to the death, staking their reputation and electoral success on a bill that was half assed hot garbage from the get go.

So pretty much the ACA.

[Shrillland]

I find that never really happens, not when there's any significant opposition.

Party passes shitty bill, shitty bill gets attacked by opposition, party has to defend shitty bill, party begins to hype shitty bill as totally not shitty, party defends shitty bill as if it's a shitty hill to the death, staking their reputation and electoral success on a bill that was half assed hot garbage from the get go.

So pretty much the ACA.

Exactly.

[Telconi]

I find that never really happens, not when there's any significant opposition.

Party passes shitty bill, shitty bill gets attacked by opposition, party has to defend shitty bill, party begins to hype shitty bill as totally not shitty, party defends shitty bill as if it's a shitty hill to the death, staking their reputation and electoral success on a bill that was half assed hot garbage from the get go.

So pretty much the ACA.

Yeah, that's a big example of this. I mean, if we want to take the whole gateway bill theory, where the fuck is my public option? Or my universal Medicaid?

[Corrian]

To the matter at hand, here's another question for you all: With all the talk about districts changing hands, how many of us would actually see that where they live?

Here in Illinois' 18th(Peoria-Springfield), it's not happening. LaHood will remain for as long as he wants like his father before him. Our governorship's changing hands, but Pritzker won't be as effective as some think.

I don't really expect a ton of changes here. I'm pretty sure my state senate and state house races are pretty conservative where I live, but I don't really know for a fact. U.S. Senate will very much stay Maria Cantwell, and my U.S House district will retain Susan DelBane.

[Corrian]

So pretty much the ACA.

Yeah, that's a big example of this. I mean, if we want to take the whole gateway bill theory, where the fuck is my public option? Or my universal Medicaid?

I remember my dad and I's biggest argument (Whatever argument I could have as like 14 or 15-year old me) was that it didn't go far enough. So I feel like your thought fits appropriately for it because that seemed to be the biggest protest of the bill initially.

And I say this as someone who would still defend the ACA over nothing. But I don't think it should be retained forever and we need something better.

Hell, I feel like even Obama agreed we need better than the ACA recently.

[Telconi]

Yeah, that's a big example of this. I mean, if we want to take the whole gateway bill theory, where the fuck is my public option? Or my universal Medicaid?

I remember my dad and I's biggest argument (Whatever argument I could have as like 14 or 15-year old me) was that it didn't go far enough. So I feel like your thought fits appropriately for it because that seemed to be the biggest protest of the bill initially.

And I say this as someone who would still defend the ACA over nothing. But I don't think it should be retained forever and we need something better.

Hell, I feel like even Obama agreed we need better than the ACA recently.

I'm indifferent to it, my wife living with chronic pain isn't any more tolerable because she has an insurance card in her purse. That's not to mention the negatives I experienced from its implementation.

[Neutraligon]

You’re several thousand years too late to change that, buddy.

Only about 100. Before the 1910s China was a bunch of warlord states with the great powers controlling a lot of them.

China has gone through a cycle of being controlled by warlords and controlled by a central power. It has done that repeatedly throughout their history.

[Trajkov]

Yeah, that's a big example of this. I mean, if we want to take the whole gateway bill theory, where the fuck is my public option? Or my universal Medicaid?

I remember my dad and I's biggest argument (Whatever argument I could have as like 14 or 15-year old me) was that it didn't go far enough. So I feel like your thought fits appropriately for it because that seemed to be the biggest protest of the bill initially.

And I say this as someone who would still defend the ACA over nothing. But I don't think it should be retained forever and we need something better.

Hell, I feel like even Obama agreed we need better than the ACA recently.

The ACA went as far as conservative Democratic senators let it go, but it's clearly something that can be built on.

[Myrensis]

Yeah, that's a big example of this. I mean, if we want to take the whole gateway bill theory, where the fuck is my public option? Or my universal Medicaid?

I remember my dad and I's biggest argument (Whatever argument I could have as like 14 or 15-year old me) was that it didn't go far enough. So I feel like your thought fits appropriately for it because that seemed to be the biggest protest of the bill initially.

And I say this as someone who would still defend the ACA over nothing. But I don't think it should be retained forever and we need something better.

Hell, I feel like even Obama agreed we need better than the ACA recently.

Uh, I'm pretty sure that approximately no one on the Democratic side of the spectrum has ever suggested the ACA is the absolute pinnacle of healthcare reform. It was always meant to be baby steps to improve on later while showing people that government being involved in healthcare doesn't mean DHHS Death Squads busting in the windows to shoot grandma in the face because she's not cost effective to keep alive.

Sadly you get 8 years of REpublican obstruction for sheer spite, and voters suddenly deciding only after electing a Republican majority government that maybe the ACA isn't so bad after all, and we find ourselves in the current state.

Not that it hasn't been amusing watching Republican candidates running around telling anyone who will listen how devoted they are to protecting their healthcare plans and how much they adore pre-existing condition protections and the like, even though it's been less than a year since they attempted to strip healthcare away from millions of people and scrap those protections, and were only stopped by defections in their razor thin majority.

[Corrian]

I remember my dad and I's biggest argument (Whatever argument I could have as like 14 or 15-year old me) was that it didn't go far enough. So I feel like your thought fits appropriately for it because that seemed to be the biggest protest of the bill initially.

And I say this as someone who would still defend the ACA over nothing. But I don't think it should be retained forever and we need something better.

Hell, I feel like even Obama agreed we need better than the ACA recently.

The ACA went as far as conservative Democratic senators let it go, but it's clearly something that can be built on.

And still would probably be the case seeing as more Democrats hopped on the freaking assault rifle ban than Medicare for All.

[Corrian]

The Arizona GOP Is Trying To Persuade Democrats To Vote Green

[Corrian]

Said candidate dropped out and endorsed Sinema

[Telconi]

The ACA went as far as conservative Democratic senators let it go, but it's clearly something that can be built on.

And still would probably be the case seeing as more Democrats hopped on the freaking assault rifle ban than Medicare for All.

And then had the gall to come knock on my door and ask for my vote. Boy they sure are brave, foolish, but brave

[Neutraligon]

The ACA went as far as conservative Democratic senators let it go, but it's clearly something that can be built on.

And still would probably be the case seeing as more Democrats hopped on the freaking assault rifle ban than Medicare for All.

Trying to get everything before is also why we did not get healthcare reform earlier. If I recall it was one of the regrets Senator Kennedy had to deal with.

[Telconi]

Said candidate dropped out and endorsed Sinema

I hot a chuckle out of the Green party candidates name being Green...

[Thermodolia]

Said candidate dropped out and endorsed Sinema

Oops

[Shrillland]

Said candidate dropped out and endorsed Sinema

Oops

Well, it's a novel tactic I'll give them that, but I doubt it'll work at this late stage.