US Midterm Elections Megathread III: Hitting The Wall

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Can you word that a bit better?

Can you name me a shared feature of fascist regimes that is not covered under or implied by the accusations of "authoritarianism" and "ethnic cleansing"?

Again, I do not quite understand what you mean.

Authoritarianism is not tied to the left or the right.

[Valrifell]

Demonstrably untrue.

Care to demonstrate how other people''s opinions are less true than yours?

If you determine Christian-ness to be living like Christ or adhering to His teachings then its fairly self-evident that Trump isn't all that Christian.

Granted, he still is and I think the idea of "more or less Christian" is dubious for a lot of reasons but if we're doing it then, you know, by most reasonable metrics Trump does not invoke images of a good Christian boi.

[Tobleste]

Republicans are more naturally suited to opposition anyway. Fiscal conservatism is a sensible thing to believe but they abandon it as soon as they're in government. The last 2 years also show they've no notion of how to solve any actual problems. They're basically a 'post-policy' political party that uses identity politics (e.g. moaning about the NFL) to get support for their unpopular economic agenda (e.g. tax cuts). Solutions to actual problems (e.g. climate change, gun crime, debt, low wage growth) are something they don't have.

I honestly don't know what they actually contribute to America other than debt, anger and conditions for gun crime.

I guess we will ignore all the legislation Republicans have passed just in the last 20 years targeting issues to try and find solutions. Just because they don't agree with the proposed solutions does not mean they don't propose their own. And just because you don't agree with their solutions does not mean that they are not contributing anything.

What solutions? I was talking about the last 2 years so what over the last 2 years have they done that addresses the issues I mentioned? You can count republicans at the state level if you want though even they have starved their education system so I don't know why you'd want to.

[Conserative Morality]

Again, I do not quite understand what you mean.

I have a feeling you're being deliberately obtuse.

Authoritarianism is not tied to the left or the right.

But it is intimately tied to fascism.

[Ifreann]

Care to demonstrate how other people''s opinions are less true than yours?

Assuming we are talking about Trump, lets not pretend to actually believe he has any kind of deep Christian values.

Everything he has done in his life should be frowned on by Christians.

Does he really scream "family values" to you?

Trump values families very highly. That's why he has three.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Again, I do not quite understand what you mean.

I have a feeling you're being deliberately obtuse.

Authoritarianism is not tied to the left or the right.

But it is intimately tied to fascism.

Just because I genuinely do not comprehend your question, it does mean you have to instantly be a rude arse and say I'm doing it deliberately.

And no, it isn't, especially since nowadays, fascism means nothing due to sheer oversaturation.

[The Archregimancy]

"MSNBC Cohen LOL" in 3... 2... 1...

Ikr? Retards.

funny, did you work with Petra for 12 hours on what to say.

Ha, unlike you I don't need to overclock my brain.

Shoo, let the adults talk.

*** Eternal Lotharia, warned for flaming and flamebaiting. ***

People, there's no excuse for this sort of thing.

Attack the ideas of the opposing side as much as you want; but try and treat your actual opponents with a certain base level of dignity and respect.

At least while you're posting in NSG; what you do in your own time is your own problem.

[Telconi]

"People with different opinions piss me off"

How Christian of you...

No, defending Racism and sometimes claiming he has the moral high ground as Christians does and denying racism pisses me off. Nice strawman.

Claiming he has the moral high ground. yeah that's an opinion, defending him when he says racist things, ueah, that's an opinion...

Perhaps if you intend to accuse someone of straw manning, you shouldn't verify their supposed straw man.

[Conserative Morality]

Just because I genuinely do not comprehend your question, it does mean you have to instantly be a rude arse and say I'm doing it deliberately.

Three times, the premise has been stated. Twice I have asked you specifically. "Instantly" is hardly the case.

And no, it isn't, especially since nowadays, fascism means nothing due to sheer oversaturation.

"Fascism means nothing" is, funny enough, exactly the kind of tripe fascists like to trot out.

[Telconi]

Care to demonstrate how other people''s opinions are less true than yours?

If you determine Christian-ness to be living like Christ or adhering to His teachings then its fairly self-evident that Trump isn't all that Christian.

Granted, he still is and I think the idea of "more or less Christian" is dubious for a lot of reasons but if we're doing it then, you know, by most reasonable metrics Trump does not invoke images of a good Christian boi.

One doesn't need to be very Christian to be more Christian than other people. That's the interesting part about relative comparisons.

[Telconi]

I guess we will ignore all the legislation Republicans have passed just in the last 20 years targeting issues to try and find solutions. Just because they don't agree with the proposed solutions does not mean they don't propose their own. And just because you don't agree with their solutions does not mean that they are not contributing anything.

What solutions? I was talking about the last 2 years so what over the last 2 years have they done that addresses the issues I mentioned? You can count republicans at the state level if you want though even they have starved their education system so I don't know why you'd want to.

Flawed question is flawed.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Just because I genuinely do not comprehend your question, it does mean you have to instantly be a rude arse and say I'm doing it deliberately.

Three times, the premise has been stated. Twice I have asked you specifically. "Instantly" is hardly the case.

And no, it isn't, especially since nowadays, fascism means nothing due to sheer oversaturation.

"Fascism means nothing" is, funny enough, exactly the kind of tripe fascists like to trot out.

Lemme guess, you're gonna call me a fascist, aren't you?

Listen, if you're gonna apply an incorrect extremist label on me, at least be original. How about Strasserist?

[Trajkov]

I guess we will ignore all the legislation Republicans have passed just in the last 20 years targeting issues to try and find solutions. Just because they don't agree with the proposed solutions does not mean they don't propose their own. And just because you don't agree with their solutions does not mean that they are not contributing anything.

What solutions? I was talking about the last 2 years so what over the last 2 years have they done that addresses the issues I mentioned? You can count republicans at the state level if you want though even they have starved their education system so I don't know why you'd want to.

They don't even see most of the things you listed as problems, at best maybe unfortunate side effects.

[Conserative Morality]

Lemme guess, you're gonna call me a fascist, aren't you?

No, that's what I'm calling you in the other thread where you praise Francisco Franco.

Listen, if you're gonna apply an incorrect extremist label on me, at least be original. How about Strasserist?

A Strasserist is a kind of fascist. Though I understand that someone who believes that the word "Fascist" means nothing might not get that.

[Kowani]

What solutions? I was talking about the last 2 years so what over the last 2 years have they done that addresses the issues I mentioned? You can count republicans at the state level if you want though even they have starved their education system so I don't know why you'd want to.

They don't even see most of the things you listed as problems, at best maybe unfortunate side effects.

TIL poverty wasn’t a problem. Or the terrible state of the American public education system. Or our fucked up healthcare.

Wait...

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Lemme guess, you're gonna call me a fascist, aren't you?

No, that's what I'm calling you in the other thread where you praise Francisco Franco.

Listen, if you're gonna apply an incorrect extremist label on me, at least be original. How about Strasserist?

A Strasserist is a kind of fascist. Though I understand that someone who believes that the word "Fascist" means nothing might not get that.

>praising Francisco Franco
>acknowledging his controversies and errors and merely stating he pulled Spain out of a 200-year period of near-constant political turmoil and civil wars

Are you even trying?

[Genivaria]

Three times, the premise has been stated. Twice I have asked you specifically. "Instantly" is hardly the case.

"Fascism means nothing" is, funny enough, exactly the kind of tripe fascists like to trot out.

Lemme guess, you're gonna call me a fascist, aren't you?

Listen, if you're gonna apply an incorrect extremist label on me, at least be original. How about Strasserist?

Strasserists are Fascists.

[Telconi]

They don't even see most of the things you listed as problems, at best maybe unfortunate side effects.

TIL poverty wasn’t a problem. Or the terrible state of the American public education system. Or our fucked up healthcare.

Wait...

I wouldn't say they don't consider them problems, but rather, not priority ones.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Two more days till something bad happens

[Kowani]

TIL poverty wasn’t a problem. Or the terrible state of the American public education system. Or our fucked up healthcare.

Wait...

I wouldn't say they don't consider them problems, but rather, not priority ones.

So what are priority problems? Because as far as I can tell, these are pretty big issues.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Lemme guess, you're gonna call me a fascist, aren't you?

Listen, if you're gonna apply an incorrect extremist label on me, at least be original. How about Strasserist?

Strasserists are Fascists.

Somewhat correct, but they are a very oddball strain in that they have an astonishing number of far-left elements.

[Petrasylvania]

Two more days till something bad happens

What do you mean?

Probably assuming a Republican landslide.

[Genivaria]

Strasserists are Fascists.

Somewhat correct, but they are a very oddball strain in that they have an astonishing number of far-left elements.

That doesn't stop them from being Fascists, that just means they aren't Nazis.
In National Socialist the Strasserists leaned more Socialist and the rest were more National.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

What do you mean?

Probably assuming a Republican landslide.

I think she meant political violences regardless of which side comes out on top.

[Shrillland]

What do you mean?

Probably assuming a Republican landslide.

Nah, not with enough voters. Say rather our disappointment that taking only one house is relatively ineffective when the Republicans will likely gain seats in the Senate.

I think she meant political violences regardless of which side comes out on top.

Or that. Yeah, I more often think that we're heading that way myself.