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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:41 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Regardless, Trump is going to get roflstomped in a few days.

His stupid politicians and Fox will try to claim "CHINESE HACKING" which unlike the FBI investigation into Russia has legitimately no evidence.


Or, y'know, civil war is always a potential card.

Also, I'd argue to not be so sure about Trump's defeat. That kinda cost you the 2016 elections, y'know.

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Postby Kowani » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:42 am

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:Roads are a thing. As well as public schools, hospitals, every industry the government subsidizes, national defense, law Enforcement, blah blah blah.

This idea of “I don’t owe anything to the state” only works if you’re a wilderness survival expert, and a hobo at the same time.


Why do these things create an obligation to vote?

Hey, if you want the crazy people who think taxes are theft to take ‘em away, you don’t have to vote. But saying that you don’t owe anything to the State is just blind to reality.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:42 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Loben wrote:
Mystic warriors is that you?

Nah just a person sick of people defending a racist piece of shit while claiming to be Christian.


All those mean old people with differing opinions daring to have differon opinions!!! Grrrrr!!!
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:43 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Regardless, Trump is going to get roflstomped in a few days.

His stupid politicians and Fox will try to claim "CHINESE HACKING" which unlike the FBI investigation into Russia has legitimately no evidence.

Even though the Republicans outright rejected increased funding of election cybersecurity hoping Mama Russia come saves them again.

Shameless ain't just a show.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Loben » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:44 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Loben wrote:
Mystic warriors is that you?

Nah just a person sick of people defending a racist piece of shit while claiming to be Christian.


hes more a christian then most liberals.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:44 am

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Why do these things create an obligation to vote?

Hey, if you want the crazy people who think taxes are theft to take ‘em away, you don’t have to vote. But saying that you don’t owe anything to the State is just blind to reality.


I don't tho... And you saying that I'm blind to reality doesn't offer any evidence of a debt to the state, much less one requiring that I vote.
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-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:46 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Regardless, Trump is going to get roflstomped in a few days.

His stupid politicians and Fox will try to claim "CHINESE HACKING" which unlike the FBI investigation into Russia has legitimately no evidence.

Even though the Republicans outright rejected increased funding of election cybersecurity hoping Mama Russia come saves them again.

Shameless ain't just a show.


"Ruskies!!1!1!3!one!"

Wow, so mature.

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Postby Loben » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:49 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Or, y'know, civil war is always a potential card.

Also, I'd argue to not be so sure about Trump's defeat. That kinda cost you the 2016 elections, y'know.

Civil war is possible thus a worry.

Which would only make me get pissed off at Trump even more. I only started disliking Republicans a lot after him, before I was still a Democrat but wasn't extremely angry at the Republican Party, yeah they annoyed me for what they did to Obama, but overall, despite some big issues, I still didn't have nearly the same level of worry or anger as I do now.


As a Christian, Trump has made me hate the Republican Party Politicians and drove me away from ever becoming a Politician as long as they and their successors remain, and I despite my social democracy/rhine capitalism was open to being one at one point, minus my more progressive social beliefs and more regulatory nature.


I can't see a compassionate loyal, non-racist, Christian being a Republican these days.

Unless they're a never-trumper which ok that's fair. I just have seen Trump in his own words tear down everything I thought Republicans stood for, even though I wasn't one, I respected their religious moralistic stances, but he tore it all down and revealed it all to be lies. I am horrified and disgusted. I'm not even talking about what the news has said about him, I'm talking about what I hear from his own mouth.



That is why, to me it's Better Dead Than Red this election.


Ok, then are you blind, or are just posturing.

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:49 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Or, y'know, civil war is always a potential card.

Also, I'd argue to not be so sure about Trump's defeat. That kinda cost you the 2016 elections, y'know.

Civil war is possible thus a worry.




That is why, to me it's Better Dead Than Red this election.

Every time I turn around, people in this thread reach a new level of partisanship
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Postby Loben » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:50 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Even though the Republicans outright rejected increased funding of election cybersecurity hoping Mama Russia come saves them again.

Shameless ain't just a show.


"Ruskies!!1!1!3!one!"

Wow, so mature.


the red scare is typically a conservative thing irc.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:50 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Even though the Republicans outright rejected increased funding of election cybersecurity hoping Mama Russia come saves them again.

Shameless ain't just a show.


"Ruskies!!1!1!3!one!"

Wow, so mature.

Pointing out they have no grounds to scream "JYNA!!1!1!3!one!" which Donnie is very likely to do after the likelihood of the Democrats retaking the House despite refusing to improve election cybersecurity is very mature indeed. :^]
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Kowani » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:51 am

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:Hey, if you want the crazy people who think taxes are theft to take ‘em away, you don’t have to vote. But saying that you don’t owe anything to the State is just blind to reality.


I don't tho... And you saying that I'm blind to reality doesn't offer any evidence of a debt to the state, much less one requiring that I vote.

Okay, there are two things here. All the things the state does for you does create a debt to the state. There technically isn’t an obligation to vote, but it’s very strongly recommended.
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Postby Loben » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:51 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
"Ruskies!!1!1!3!one!"

Wow, so mature.

Pointing out they have no grounds to scream "JYNA!!1!1!3!one!" which Donnie is very likely to do after the likelihood of the Democrats retaking the House despite refusing to improve election cybersecurity is very mature indeed. :^]


Except china is a growing threat, militarily at least.

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:52 am

Loben wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Nah just a person sick of people defending a racist piece of shit while claiming to be Christian.


hes more a christian then most liberals.


Demonstrably untrue.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:54 am

Loben wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Pointing out they have no grounds to scream "JYNA!!1!1!3!one!" which Donnie is very likely to do after the likelihood of the Democrats retaking the House despite refusing to improve election cybersecurity is very mature indeed. :^]


Except china is a growing threat, militarily at least.

You have government proof of China actually interfering in the midterms or just praying they actually will so you can sing "NO COLLUSION"?
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Loben » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:55 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Loben wrote:
Except china is a growing threat, militarily at least.

You have government proof of China actually interfering in the midterms or just praying they actually will so you can sing "NO COLLUSION"?

i never said they were interfering.

they mightve, same as the russians.

But russia, my ancestral homeland mine you, is a mere paper tiger.


or bear.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:58 am

Valrifell wrote:
Loben wrote:
hes more a christian then most liberals.


Demonstrably untrue.


Care to demonstrate how other people''s opinions are less true than yours?
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Postby Telconi » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:01 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Loben wrote:
Ok, then are you blind, or are just posturing.

Wow. You piss me off.

What you just said...wow.


It's so ignorant.


I'm among the most damn Christian-supporting folk I know and despise Christianity being used to hide corruption.


The fact you fail to actually check previous posts to see how strongly Christian I speak and am and claim "Posturing" pisses me off.


And the fact you claim I am blind after seeing blatantly racist and unchristian stuff from my own eyes, not what the media says, pisses me off.


It pisses me off because I'm Christian and this feels like what'd happen under the Antichrist or how it felt like what happened under Unchristian dictators pretending to be Christian, like Hitler(Trump is not Hitler but Hitler was no actual Christian).

I'm sorry, but the only other comparisons are some other Dictators that are pretty obscure but pretended to be Christian gaining the Christian vote but were definitively not Christian.


"People with different opinions piss me off"

How Christian of you...
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:01 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Civil war is possible thus a worry.




That is why, to me it's Better Dead Than Red this election.

Every time I turn around, people in this thread reach a new level of partisanship


The amount of left-wing and right-wing blind fanatics is truly a sight to behold.

And I'm just here plotting my centrist coup.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:03 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Authoritarianism is not a synonym of fascism, just sayin'.

In fact, fascism is totalitarian.

Not really. Maybe in theory, but fascist practice and fascist theory are usually miles apart.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:04 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Authoritarianism is not a synonym of fascism, just sayin'.

In fact, fascism is totalitarian.

Not really. Maybe in theory, but fascist practice and fascist theory are usually miles apart.


Again, authoritarianism is not a synonym for fascism, despite the latter often having the former included.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:05 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Again, authoritarianism is not a synonym for fascism, despite the latter often having the former included.

Can you identify to me an aspect of generally accepted fascist regimes that is not included in 'authoritarianism' and 'ethnic cleansing'?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:06 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Again, authoritarianism is not a synonym for fascism, despite the latter often having the former included.

Can you identify to me an aspect of generally accepted fascist regimes that is not included in 'authoritarianism' and 'ethnic cleansing'?


Can you word that a bit better?

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Postby Historikal » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:06 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Demonstrably untrue.


Care to demonstrate how other people''s opinions are less true than yours?

Assuming we are talking about Trump, lets not pretend to actually believe he has any kind of deep Christian values.

Everything he has done in his life should be frowned on by Christians.

Does he really scream "family values" to you?

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:08 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Can you word that a bit better?

Can you name me a shared feature of fascist regimes that is not covered under or implied by the accusations of "authoritarianism" and "ethnic cleansing"?
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