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Harmonian Hegemony
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Postby Harmonian Hegemony » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:00 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:People like Jury duty?

What? I like it


You're a fascist what do you care about due process?
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Eh, it's Jamal Khashoggi. Who cares.


Um...I think his family probably does. As well as anyone who cares about freedom of the press.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:02 am

Harmonian Hegemony wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What? I like it


You're a fascist what do you care about due process?

:roll: I’m not fascist my partisan friend. I lean more to the left than to the right
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Postby Harmonian Hegemony » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:05 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Harmonian Hegemony wrote:
You're a fascist what do you care about due process?

:roll: I’m not fascist my partisan friend. I lean more to the left than to the right


You want to kick all Muslims out of the US and you admit to being authoritarian. You are no leftist
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Eh, it's Jamal Khashoggi. Who cares.


Um...I think his family probably does. As well as anyone who cares about freedom of the press.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:08 am

Harmonian Hegemony wrote:
Thermodolia wrote: :roll: I’m not fascist my partisan friend. I lean more to the left than to the right


You want to kick all Muslims out of the US and you admit to being authoritarian. You are no leftist

Authoritarian leftists are a thing. Stalin, Mao, and Co say hi

Also mass deportations aren’t limited to just one side of the political Spectrum
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:08 am

Harmonian Hegemony wrote:
Thermodolia wrote: :roll: I’m not fascist my partisan friend. I lean more to the left than to the right


You want to kick all Muslims out of the US and you admit to being authoritarian. You are no leftist

He disagrees on the form of government (there have been many authoritarian leftist governments) and one of many socio-economic issues. Thus, he is an evil fascist.

Gotcha.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:10 am

Harmonian Hegemony wrote:
Thermodolia wrote: :roll: I’m not fascist my partisan friend. I lean more to the left than to the right


You want to kick all Muslims out of the US and you admit to being authoritarian. You are no leftist


Neither islamophobia nor authoritarianism is mutually exclusive with leftist thought...
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:11 am

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Harmonian Hegemony wrote:
You want to kick all Muslims out of the US and you admit to being authoritarian. You are no leftist

He disagrees on the form of government (there have been many authoritarian leftist governments) and one of many socio-economic issues. Thus, he is an evil fascist.

Gotcha.


The word "fascist" has been so unbelievably overused nowadays that it has become a worthless word.

In other words, by calling everybody a fascist, you normalize fascism!

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:11 am

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Harmonian Hegemony wrote:
You want to kick all Muslims out of the US and you admit to being authoritarian. You are no leftist

He disagrees on the form of government (there have been many authoritarian leftist governments) and one of many socio-economic issues. Thus, he is an evil fascist.

Gotcha.

Yet I’ve advocated for jailing of CEOs who mistreat their workers and have advocated for mandatory union membership. Yet I’m apparently fascist.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:12 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Harmonian Hegemony wrote:
You're a fascist what do you care about due process?

:roll: I’m not fascist my partisan friend. I lean more to the left than to the right

You're not a fascist, you just want a militaristic, nationalistic dictatorship(under you) that will engage in torture, commit war crimes, actively oppress religious minorities you don't like until they are purged from the country, and generally strip the people of their rights to do anything except live in the manner you have determined to be truly American.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:14 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:He disagrees on the form of government (there have been many authoritarian leftist governments) and one of many socio-economic issues. Thus, he is an evil fascist.

Gotcha.

Yet I’ve advocated for jailing of CEOs who mistreat their workers and have advocated for mandatory union membership. Yet I’m apparently fascist.


I mean, sounds pretty Strasserist to me (minus the Jew-hating part), not gonna lie.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:19 am

Ifreann wrote:
Thermodolia wrote: :roll: I’m not fascist my partisan friend. I lean more to the left than to the right

You're not a fascist, you just want a militaristic, nationalistic dictatorship(under you) that will engage in torture, commit war crimes, actively oppress religious minorities you don't like until they are purged from the country, and generally strip the people of their rights to do anything except live in the manner you have determined to be truly American.

Sounds like Stalin
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:21 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:He disagrees on the form of government (there have been many authoritarian leftist governments) and one of many socio-economic issues. Thus, he is an evil fascist.

Gotcha.


The word "fascist" has been so unbelievably overused nowadays that it has become a worthless word.

In other words, by calling everybody a fascist, you normalize fascism!

"Authoritarianism and ethnic cleansing isn't fascism!"

Sounds more like an attempt to normalize fascism by changing the pejorative.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:23 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The word "fascist" has been so unbelievably overused nowadays that it has become a worthless word.

In other words, by calling everybody a fascist, you normalize fascism!

"Authoritarianism and ethnic cleansing isn't fascism!"

Sounds more like an attempt to normalize fascism by changing the pejorative.


Authoritarianism is not a synonym of fascism, just sayin'.

In fact, fascism is totalitarian.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:25 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The word "fascist" has been so unbelievably overused nowadays that it has become a worthless word.

In other words, by calling everybody a fascist, you normalize fascism!

"Authoritarianism and ethnic cleansing isn't fascism!"

Sounds more like an attempt to normalize fascism by changing the pejorative.


"True statements are an attempt to normalize this word I want to apply to everyone I dislike!"

~C.M., 2018
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Postby Loben » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:25 am

Telconi wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:"Authoritarianism and ethnic cleansing isn't fascism!"

Sounds more like an attempt to normalize fascism by changing the pejorative.


"True statements are an attempt to normalize this word I want to apply to everyone I dislike!"

~C.M., 2018


has he done this before?

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Postby Telconi » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:27 am

Loben wrote:
Telconi wrote:
"True statements are an attempt to normalize this word I want to apply to everyone I dislike!"

~C.M., 2018


has he done this before?


Oh, you'll get used to C.M. after a bit. But yeah, this is pretty par for the course.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:30 am

Page wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Minimal?

I strongly disagree. But other than that, I understand but they need to realize this is a civil duty as a citizen.


I always vote but I have a different view of it. I don't consider it a civil duty (because I don't believe I owe a thing to the state), it is more that I consider it wasteful to squander what minuscule influence one has over the direction of the state.

Roads are a thing. As well as public schools, hospitals, every industry the government subsidizes, national defense, law Enforcement, blah blah blah.

This idea of “I don’t owe anything to the state” only works if you’re a wilderness survival expert, and a hobo at the same time.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:33 am

Kowani wrote:
Page wrote:
I always vote but I have a different view of it. I don't consider it a civil duty (because I don't believe I owe a thing to the state), it is more that I consider it wasteful to squander what minuscule influence one has over the direction of the state.

Roads are a thing. As well as public schools, hospitals, every industry the government subsidizes, national defense, law Enforcement, blah blah blah.

This idea of “I don’t owe anything to the state” only works if you’re a wilderness survival expert, and a hobo at the same time.


Page thinking that he owes nothing to the state is both cute and laughable.

The very land we walk on is part of states.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:33 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Trump turns out to be a racist piece of shit.


EDIT: To clarify, I never called him racist before even when he was accused by the media, but am not surprised.

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Postby Loben » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:35 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Trump turns out to be a racist piece of shit.


EDIT: To clarify, I never called him racist before even when he was accused by the media, but am not surprised.


>MSNBC

>Some Youtube Video

The fuck is this?

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Postby Telconi » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:35 am

Kowani wrote:
Page wrote:
I always vote but I have a different view of it. I don't consider it a civil duty (because I don't believe I owe a thing to the state), it is more that I consider it wasteful to squander what minuscule influence one has over the direction of the state.

Roads are a thing. As well as public schools, hospitals, every industry the government subsidizes, national defense, law Enforcement, blah blah blah.

This idea of “I don’t owe anything to the state” only works if you’re a wilderness survival expert, and a hobo at the same time.


Why do these things create an obligation to vote?
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Postby Loben » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:37 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Loben wrote:
>MSNBC

>Some Youtube Video

The fuck is this?

Ah, right on cue. Hello NPC.


funny, did you work with Petra for 12 hours on what to say.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:37 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Trump turns out to be a racist piece of shit.


EDIT: To clarify, I never called him racist before even when he was accused by the media, but am not surprised.


So why start now?
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Postby Loben » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:39 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Loben wrote:
funny, did you work with Petra for 12 hours on what to say.

Ha, unlike you I don't need to overclock my brain.

Shoo, let the adults talk.


Mystic warriors is that you?

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Postby Loben » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:41 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Regardless, Trump is going to get roflstomped in a few days.

His stupid politicians and Fox will try to claim "CHINESE HACKING" which unlike the FBI investigation into Russia has legitimately no evidence.


how old are you?

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