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Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:16 am**

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Judge Sides With CNN, White House Must Restore Acosta Press Pass

Oops.

I don't get this, surely it should be the white house's decision who gets a press pass for the white house?

You can't revoke a press pass unless the reporter is a security risk or without prior notification, its a violation of protection of free press and the reporter's 5th amendment rights.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:16 am**

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Judge Sides With CNN, White House Must Restore Acosta Press Pass

Oops.

Oh the level of cranky at future press conferences...

Preview

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:17 am**

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Judge Sides With CNN, White House Must Restore Acosta Press Pass

Oops.

I don't get this, surely it should be the white house's decision who gets a press pass for the white house?

The White House is not the International House of Pancakes. It is the seat of government. Our government is answerable to the people and must therefore be accessible to the people via a free press. If the White House is able to arbitrarily deny access to the press then that undermines a free press, so who and how they deny access to is an important question.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:18 am**

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Judge Sides With CNN, White House Must Restore Acosta Press Pass

Oops.

I don't get this, surely it should be the white house's decision who gets a press pass for the white house?

Are you familiar with the first amendment?

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:19 am**

San Lumen wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I don't get this, surely it should be the white house's decision who gets a press pass for the white house?

Its called the First Amendment

Everyone knows the only amendment that matters is the Second.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:19 am**

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Judge Sides With CNN, White House Must Restore Acosta Press Pass

Oops.

I don't get this, surely it should be the white house's decision who gets a press pass for the white house?

Literally freedom of the press. The White House isn't a private organization to decide if it does not want certain people on its land, but public property of The State, and much more importantly, home to the person who's supposed to represent the American People. Of course, I could be wrong here, but I honestly doubt it's the white house's decision who gets a press pass, at least where larger news corporations are concerned.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:20 am**

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Judge Sides With CNN, White House Must Restore Acosta Press Pass

Oops.

I don't get this, surely it should be the white house's decision who gets a press pass for the white house?

1) The law is a question of ‘what is’, not ‘what should be’. We take Hume’s guillotine very seriously.
2) And no, it should not even be the case. The White House can’t use a press pass to punish news outlets they don’t like.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:20 am**

Petrasylvania wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Oh the level of cranky at future press conferences...

Preview

I can't wait and see Trump go on yet another Tweeting spree about this, tbh.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:21 am**

Frievolk wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I don't get this, surely it should be the white house's decision who gets a press pass for the white house?

Literally freedom of the press. The White House isn't a private organization to decide if it does not want certain people on its land, but public property of The State, and much more importantly, home to the person who's supposed to represent the American People. Of course, I could be wrong here, but I honestly doubt it's the white house's decision who gets a press pass, at least where larger news corporations are concerned.

They dont have much say. All news outlets and reporters unless they are security risk are protected by the first amendment

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:22 am**

Petrasylvania wrote:Judge Sides With CNN, White House Must Restore Acosta Press Pass

Oops.

Everyone making a big deal about how this sets "A DaNgErOuS PrEcEdEnT" doesn't realize that the White House doesn't need to hold press conferences, doesn't need to give anyone press access, so it isn't an infringement of anything.

It doesn't help that Acosta is just an absolute cunt to begin with, he couldn't have made it any easier to get his ass kicked out.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:23 am**

Xadufell wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Judge Sides With CNN, White House Must Restore Acosta Press Pass

Oops.

Everyone making a big deal about how this sets "A DaNgErOuS PrEcEdEnT" doesn't realize that the White House doesn't need to hold press conferences, doesn't need to give anyone press access, so it isn't an infringement of anything.

It doesn't help that Acosta is just an absolute cunt to begin with, he couldn't have made it any easier to get his ass kicked out.

Yeah we should do things like the Kremlin and only give press access to those we like or who only say nice things about us.

Have you heard of something called the First Amendment?

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:23 am**

Xadufell wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Judge Sides With CNN, White House Must Restore Acosta Press Pass

Oops.

Everyone making a big deal about how this sets "A DaNgErOuS PrEcEdEnT" doesn't realize that the White House doesn't need to hold press conferences, doesn't need to give anyone press access, so it isn't an infringement of anything.

It doesn't help that Acosta is just an absolute cunt to begin with, he couldn't have made it any easier to get his ass kicked out.

The government is required to give some sort of access to the press, via the first amendment.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:24 am**

San Lumen wrote:
Xadufell wrote:
Everyone making a big deal about how this sets "A DaNgErOuS PrEcEdEnT" doesn't realize that the White House doesn't need to hold press conferences, doesn't need to give anyone press access, so it isn't an infringement of anything.

It doesn't help that Acosta is just an absolute cunt to begin with, he couldn't have made it any easier to get his ass kicked out.

Yeah we should do things like the Kremlin and only give press access to those we like or who only say nice things about us.

He could do that, it doesn't prevent the news outlets from reporting their news. This doesn't violate freedom of speech.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:26 am**

Xadufell wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Judge Sides With CNN, White House Must Restore Acosta Press Pass

Oops.

Everyone making a big deal about how this sets "A DaNgErOuS PrEcEdEnT" doesn't realize that the White House doesn't need to hold press conferences, doesn't need to give anyone press access, so it isn't an infringement of anything.

It doesn't help that Acosta is just an absolute cunt to begin with, he couldn't have made it any easier to get his ass kicked out.

Hmmmm, yes. Writing every other word of a sentence in capitals is a good point.

But, you know. The White House does hold press conferences. And the White House does give press access. Why would you pretend that things are the way they aren’t? It is a dangerous precedent, since it’s basically the president kicking out people who ask questions he doesn’t like.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:27 am**

Binary Rhodesia wrote:
Xadufell wrote:
Everyone making a big deal about how this sets "A DaNgErOuS PrEcEdEnT" doesn't realize that the White House doesn't need to hold press conferences, doesn't need to give anyone press access, so it isn't an infringement of anything.

It doesn't help that Acosta is just an absolute cunt to begin with, he couldn't have made it any easier to get his ass kicked out.

The government is required to give some sort of access to the press, via the first amendment.

Where is this stated?

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:27 am**

Xadufell wrote:
San Lumen wrote: Yeah we should do things like the Kremlin and only give press access to those we like or who only say nice things about us.

He could do that, it doesn't prevent the news outlets from reporting their news. This doesn't violate freedom of speech.

So, the argument is: as long as a news outlet has microsoft word, a laptop and an internet connection their rights aren’t violated?

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:28 am**

Xadufell wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Judge Sides With CNN, White House Must Restore Acosta Press Pass

Oops.

Everyone making a big deal about how this sets "A DaNgErOuS PrEcEdEnT" doesn't realize that the White House doesn't need to hold press conferences, doesn't need to give anyone press access, so it isn't an infringement of anything.

It doesn't help that Acosta is just an absolute cunt to begin with, he couldn't have made it any easier to get his ass kicked out.

Even FOXNews realized letting Donnie get away with this would give a green light to future Democratic Presidents to shut them out of the press room completely. Think about it. FOXNews thought it was bad as well.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:29 am**

Petrasylvania wrote:Judge Sides With CNN, White House Must Restore Acosta Press Pass

Oops.

And this has what to do with midterm related stuff? We have the MAGAthread for a reason.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:30 am**

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Xadufell wrote:
Everyone making a big deal about how this sets "A DaNgErOuS PrEcEdEnT" doesn't realize that the White House doesn't need to hold press conferences, doesn't need to give anyone press access, so it isn't an infringement of anything.

It doesn't help that Acosta is just an absolute cunt to begin with, he couldn't have made it any easier to get his ass kicked out.

Hmmmm, yes. Writing every other word of a sentence in capitals is a good point.

But, you know. The White House does hold press conferences. And the White House does give press access. Why would you pretend that things are the way they aren’t? It is a dangerous precedent, since it’s basically the president kicking out people who ask questions he doesn’t like.

Good for you.

The White House is not required to hold Press Conferences, the White House is not required to let anyone from the press to have briefings.

I didn't say that the White House WASN'T holding press conferences, you egg, I said that they don't NEED to.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:32 am**

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Xadufell wrote:
He could do that, it doesn't prevent the news outlets from reporting their news. This doesn't violate freedom of speech.

So, the argument is: as long as a news outlet has microsoft word, a laptop and an internet connection their rights aren’t violated?

Are they allowed to publish articles? Are they allowed to report news? Yes?

Then their free speech is not infringed upon.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:34 am**

Xadufell wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Hmmmm, yes. Writing every other word of a sentence in capitals is a good point.

But, you know. The White House does hold press conferences. And the White House does give press access. Why would you pretend that things are the way they aren’t? It is a dangerous precedent, since it’s basically the president kicking out people who ask questions he doesn’t like.

Good for you.

The White House is not required to hold Press Conferences, the White House is not required to let anyone from the press to have briefings.

I didn't say that the White House WASN'T holding press conferences, you egg, I said that they don't NEED to.

Yeah, I got that. They don’t NEED to. Yet, they are. As long as they are holding them, they should treat all news outlets equally.

Is this your response to all violations of the constitution? ‘Well, the municipality didn’t NEED to build a park, so you can’t protest there’

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:34 am**

Xadufell wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:So, the argument is: as long as a news outlet has microsoft word, a laptop and an internet connection their rights aren’t violated?

Are they allowed to publish articles? Are they allowed to report news? Yes?

Then their free speech is not infringed upon.

If a Democratic President barred FOXNews from the press room guaranteed you'd be singing a different song.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:35 am**

Xadufell wrote:
Binary Rhodesia wrote:The government is required to give some sort of access to the press, via the first amendment.

Where is this stated?

Because freedom of the press is a fundamental personal right, the Government can't restrict access to itself by the press without due cause. The current press conference system is an extension of this idea to make it easier and safer for reporters and government officials to share vital information.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:35 am**

Xadufell wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:So, the argument is: as long as a news outlet has microsoft word, a laptop and an internet connection their rights aren’t violated?

Are they allowed to publish articles? Are they allowed to report news? Yes?

Then their free speech is not infringed upon.

Even if other news outlets are allowed access to much more information?

You misunderstand free speech. Free speech isn’t a right to the bare minimum. It is a right to a maximum, at least as much as other similar news outlets are allowed to have.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:40 am**

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Xadufell wrote:
Good for you.

The White House is not required to hold Press Conferences, the White House is not required to let anyone from the press to have briefings.

I didn't say that the White House WASN'T holding press conferences, you egg, I said that they don't NEED to.

Yeah, I got that. They don’t NEED to. Yet, they are. As long as they are holding them, they should treat all news outlets equally.

Is this your response to all violations of the constitution? ‘Well, the municipality didn’t NEED to build a park, so you can’t protest there’

No, let me reiterate this once again: THE WHITE HOUSE DOES NOT NEED TO AND IS NOT REQUIRED TO HOLD PRESS CONFERENCES, IT IS NOT A RIGHT, COMING TO A WHITE HOUSE PRESS CONFERENCE IS A PRIVILEGE.

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