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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:09 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Cuomo. Can’t he just fade away into the distance?

why should he fade away

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What's wrong with Cuomo?

He’s a bland corporate suit who needs to retire
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Postby Blackledge » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:09 am

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Blackledge wrote:Did he say or do anything else?

Because I've seen teachers tell children to stop "monkeying around" and it didn't strike me as racist.


He is alleged to have moderated a hate group. He says he didn't know he was added to the group or made a moderator.

https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politi ... ook-group/

Telling children to not monkey around versus a black man will monkey things up? Referencing any of the other primate species is a bad idea when talking about somebody who is black.....

They were black kids and parents were there.

I'm not ignorant of the racial connotations, but it definitely strikes me as a situation where someone chooses to be offended rather than inferring the common meaning of such phrases. It reminds me of Stephen Crowder losing a debate on socialism and choosing to instead focus on his opponent's use of the word "autistic" instead.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:09 am

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Liriena wrote:Apparently Gillum and Nelson are rescinding their concessions as their margins keeps getting narrower. Recounts are becoming likely.

You can do that?

I mean, a concession speech is not really a formal, legally-binding document, is it?
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:09 am

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Liriena wrote:Because he has it in his head that he's gonna be president someday... for some obscure reason.


If donnie can do it, anybody can.

*smacks TBF* No bad. That’s no reason to run
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:09 am

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Valrifell wrote:
Is that allowed?


It's not like a concession is legally binding. Gore did it.


Fair enough.
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Postby Blackledge » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:09 am

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Blackledge wrote:On the topic of left-right unity, would it be impossible to build a party out of the moderates of both sides and saw off the fringes? Or is that heresy?

Realistically speaking, a party of the "moderates" would be mostly comprised of unpopular establishment Democrats and a small handful of "never Trump" Republicans with no real power, and it would most likely lose everywhere. Neoliberalism isn't popular with the Democratic base or even most independents, nor is "never Trump" conservatism particularly popular among Republican voters.

At this rate, I wonder how long we have until the seemingly inevitable civil war.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:10 am

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Thermodolia wrote:You can do that?

I mean, a concession speech is not really a formal, legally-binding document, is it?

Idk
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Postby Liriena » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:10 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Liriena wrote:Because he has it in his head that he's gonna be president someday... for some obscure reason.


If donnie can do it, anybody can.

Eric Andre - Danny DeVito 2020
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:10 am

Blackledge wrote:
Liriena wrote:Realistically speaking, a party of the "moderates" would be mostly comprised of unpopular establishment Democrats and a small handful of "never Trump" Republicans with no real power, and it would most likely lose everywhere. Neoliberalism isn't popular with the Democratic base or even most independents, nor is "never Trump" conservatism particularly popular among Republican voters.

At this rate, I wonder how long we have until the seemingly inevitable civil war.

Military coup is more likely

Now if you will excuse me for one moment
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:11 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:why should he fade away

Thermodolia wrote:He’s a bland corporate suit who needs to retire


*shrugs* People still like him it seems. Still? Not understanding why he has to go away.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:11 am

Liriena wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
If donnie can do it, anybody can.

Eric Andre - Danny DeVito 2020


Finally a ticket I can support.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:11 am

San Lumen wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Y'know, there was no blue wave or red wave, both sides lost and gained ground in certain areas, and they all seem largely content with their results.

Now it's gonna be a beautiful two years of both parties securing and entrenching themselves in their respective areas and politically deadlock themselves to a halt.

(Also, Pelosi as the Speaker is just ammunition for the Republican machine, especially if she dares bring up Trump's tax returns and subsequently fail to detect anything of worth)

yeah how dare we know if Trump has Russian connections. But i bet many in rural areas could care less. Trump could openly admit treason and and they wouldn't care.


There is always the possibility that Trump is indeed clean as a whistle, yet plays along the "shady" lines just to have a giggle and a knee slapper.

That said, start whatever investigatons ya want, but the Mueller probe still has found virtually fuck all about Trump himself colluding with the Russians, just a buncha fraudsters.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:11 am

Blackledge wrote:
Liriena wrote:Realistically speaking, a party of the "moderates" would be mostly comprised of unpopular establishment Democrats and a small handful of "never Trump" Republicans with no real power, and it would most likely lose everywhere. Neoliberalism isn't popular with the Democratic base or even most independents, nor is "never Trump" conservatism particularly popular among Republican voters.

At this rate, I wonder how long we have until the seemingly inevitable civil war.

There's isn't gonna be a civil war, but the parties definitely are moving further and further away from the neolib/neocon consensus, which makes perfect sense, given that said consensus failed.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:12 am

Liriena wrote:
Blackledge wrote:At this rate, I wonder how long we have until the seemingly inevitable civil war.

There's isn't gonna be a civil war

I would never say that it isn't going to happen.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:12 am

Valrifell wrote:
Liriena wrote:Eric Andre - Danny DeVito 2020


Finally a ticket I can support.

Danny DeVito would be an incredible President of the Senate and you know it.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:12 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Blackledge wrote:At this rate, I wonder how long we have until the seemingly inevitable civil war.

Military coup is more likely

Now if you will excuse me for one moment


Enough with your coup nonsense. The military isnt going to do that. They take an oath to uphold the constitution.

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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:13 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Blackledge wrote:At this rate, I wonder how long we have until the seemingly inevitable civil war.

Military coup is more likely

Now if you will excuse me for one moment

Military coup would not necessarily prohibit there being a civil war. Depending on the context, it could very well lead to it.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:13 am

Liriena wrote:
Blackledge wrote:On the topic of left-right unity, would it be impossible to build a party out of the moderates of both sides and saw off the fringes? Or is that heresy?

Realistically speaking, a party of the "moderates" would be mostly comprised of unpopular establishment Democrats and a small handful of "never Trump" Republicans with no real power, and it would most likely lose everywhere. Neoliberalism isn't popular with the Democratic base or even most independents, nor is "never Trump" conservatism particularly popular among Republican voters.


But Trump betrayed practically every principle of conservatism and the Republican party! Oh well, I suppose people are too stupid to know a good idea when they see it!

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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:14 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Military coup is more likely

Now if you will excuse me for one moment


Enough with your coup nonsense. The military isnt going to do that. They take an oath to uphold the constitution.

Tbf if the government is found to be tyrannical they have the obligation to overthrow it. Enemies both foreign and domestic.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:14 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Blackledge wrote:At this rate, I wonder how long we have until the seemingly inevitable civil war.

Military coup is more likely

Now if you will excuse me for one moment


A military coup?

I'd much rather prefer a coup backed by immense popularity and the premise of National Renewal, k thx

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Postby Blackledge » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:15 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Blackledge wrote:At this rate, I wonder how long we have until the seemingly inevitable civil war.

Military coup is more likely

Now if you will excuse me for one moment

Who in the military? For what side?
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:15 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Military coup is more likely

Now if you will excuse me for one moment


Enough with your coup nonsense. The military isnt going to do that. They take an oath to uphold the constitution.

Oh like the constitution means anything anymore. Both parties have trampled it too death. Besides all you have to do is to get a few judges on your side and BLAM everything is legal
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:15 am

Blackledge wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
He is alleged to have moderated a hate group. He says he didn't know he was added to the group or made a moderator.

https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politi ... ook-group/

Telling children to not monkey around versus a black man will monkey things up? Referencing any of the other primate species is a bad idea when talking about somebody who is black.....

They were black kids and parents were there.

I'm not ignorant of the racial connotations, but it definitely strikes me as a situation where someone chooses to be offended rather than inferring the common meaning of such phrases. It reminds me of Stephen Crowder losing a debate on socialism and choosing to instead focus on his opponent's use of the word "autistic" instead.


Hmmmm? Not enough time has passed for ape references to be a thing of the past. Even in your classroom example. There is a difference between telling all kids to not monkey around and telling the black kid to not monkey around.

This was a political election. Words matter. Words are easily taken out of context.

If the facebook participation is true, it doesn't help his claims of innocence.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:16 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Liriena wrote:Realistically speaking, a party of the "moderates" would be mostly comprised of unpopular establishment Democrats and a small handful of "never Trump" Republicans with no real power, and it would most likely lose everywhere. Neoliberalism isn't popular with the Democratic base or even most independents, nor is "never Trump" conservatism particularly popular among Republican voters.


But Trump betrayed practically every principle of conservatism and the Republican party! Oh well, I suppose people are too stupid to know a good idea when they see it!

The Republican Party's only real, consistent principles are white Christian identity politics and corporate zealotry. We know from polls that Republican voters will do a complete flip on certain issues depending on where their leadership stands on them, whereas Democratic voters generally don't.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:16 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Military coup is more likely

Now if you will excuse me for one moment


A military coup?

I'd much rather prefer a coup backed by immense popularity and the premise of National Renewal, k thx

I mean it could be backed by the will of the people and all. And it can also be National renewal
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