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Napkiraly wrote:

Post War America wrote:
I mean, rural voters do seem hellbent on making life impossible for anyone in a city.

The sentiment is mutual.

It's almost like the system is inherently broken and will likely implode soon enough.

San Lumen wrote:

Napkiraly wrote:That will win you the HoR but not the Senate and the Presidency would still be up in the air. Not to mention that rural communities are still part of the country and deserve to have their voices heard and needs looked after. Unless you truly just want the Democrats to be a party of urbanistas and damn everyone else.

In the long haul a party that is collapsing in urban areas will not win you the Senate or the presidency. its unsustainable. Not to mention demographics are not on their side either.

Yes I am well acquainted with your attitude of "Lets not produce good ideas and just hope that they die". It's very inspiring.

San Lumen wrote:

Blackledge wrote:That's a pretty heavy accusation to level against millions of people.

And I said it because it think its partly true. You dont have a candidate leading in every poll to just lose.

I mean. Yes. You totally can.

Post War America wrote:

Napkiraly wrote:The sentiment is mutual.

It's almost like the system is inherently broken and will likely implode soon enough.

Something has to give. The rural-urban divide will hit a breaking point eventually. What that will lead to I cannot say.

Thermodolia wrote:

Post War America wrote:
Iunno, have the Dems used an EO in recent memory to directly contradict the exact text of the constitution?

Yes. Obama and his EO allowing him to drone Americans without due process

You want all Muslims deported from the United States and then suddenly care about a radicalized Muslim who was an active threat to the country who you'd want killed anyways getting due process? Oh right, gotta stick it to Obama.

Post War America wrote:

Napkiraly wrote:The sentiment is mutual.

It's almost like the system is inherently broken and will likely implode soon enough.

The rural/urban divide exists only the minds of those that perpetuate it.

Y'all hate each other for the sake of it, and political parties have to act accordingly.

San Lumen wrote:

Post War America wrote:
I mean, rural voters do seem hellbent on making life impossible for anyone in a city.

It sure seems that way. Florida could have had a amazing governor but they voted for a racist with no real plan.

Is he a racist?

Liriena wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Apparently several of the democrats who won in red states campaigned on the idea that they would vote against Pelosi as speaker

Exactly.

Pelosi and Schumer win their individual elections with ease, but they are far from inspiring leaders and Pelosi's victory speech last night rubbed a lot of left-wing voters the wrong way.

God I hated that speech. She sounds like sandpaper

San Lumen wrote:

Post War America wrote:
I mean, rural voters do seem hellbent on making life impossible for anyone in a city.

It sure seems that way. Florida could have had a amazing governor but they voted for a racist with no real plan.

From what I was hearing the alternative was far too urban-centric.

Napkiraly wrote:

San Lumen wrote:In the long haul a party that is collapsing in urban areas will not win you the Senate or the presidency. its unsustainable. Not to mention demographics are not on their side either.

Yes I am well acquainted with your attitude of "Lets not produce good ideas and just hope that they die". It's very inspiring.

never said anything of the sort

Telconi wrote:

Liriena wrote:Pelosi is against it, apparently, so it ain't likely.

Then again, it looks like some Democratic voters are tired of Pelosi herself, so...

Not the eighty something percent of her district who voted for her evidently.

She follows the tip o'neill rule of taking care of your district. The rest of the country can hate you. You can still go home.

Thermodolia wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
Why? A suburban and urban coalition (which is what they're trying to build) would easily overwhelm any rural coalition.

Well that’s not working in Georgia, Florida, or Texas. So say good by to those states

Thing is tho, those states are becoming more Urban, not less as time goes on, they are also becoming younger and browner too. Given the GOP's standing policy is basically to shit on young, brown, and urban people it will not work out well for them in the long term.

Blackledge wrote:

San Lumen wrote:It sure seems that way. Florida could have had a amazing governor but they voted for a racist with no real plan.

Is he a racist?

he literally said the day after the primary for Florida not to monkey up the state. I am very disappointed in Florida and will not forgive them for a very long time.

Valrifell wrote:

Post War America wrote:
It's almost like the system is inherently broken and will likely implode soon enough.

The rural/urban divide exists only the minds of those that perpetuate it.

Y'all hate each other for the sake of it, and political parties have to act accordingly.

>Tfw dirty urbanist but still understand where rural folk come from

Then again perhaps it's because I live in a city surrounded by small towns and hamlets.

San Lumen wrote:

Napkiraly wrote:That will win you the HoR but not the Senate and the Presidency would still be up in the air. Not to mention that rural communities are still part of the country and deserve to have their voices heard and needs looked after. Unless you truly just want the Democrats to be a party of urbanistas and damn everyone else.

In the long haul a party that is collapsing in urban areas will not win you the Senate or the presidency. its unsustainable. Not to mention demographics are not on their side either.

You keep saying that demographics are not on the republicans side yet republicans continue to make inroads with Hispanics in states like Texas and Arizona

San Lumen wrote:

Blackledge wrote:Is he a racist?

he literally said the day after the primary for Florida not to monkey up the state. I am very disappointed in Florida and will not forgive them for a very long time.

I doubt the average Floridian cares much for your opinion.

Post War America wrote:

San Lumen wrote:he literally said the day after the primary for Florida not to monkey up the state. I am very disappointed in Florida and will not forgive them for a very long time.

I doubt the average Floridian cares much for your opinion.

Nor do I care what they think of me.

San Lumen wrote:

Blackledge wrote:Is he a racist?

he literally said the day after the primary for Florida not to monkey up the state. I am very disappointed in Florida and will not forgive them for a very long time.

Did he say or do anything else?

Because I've seen teachers tell children to stop "monkeying around" and it didn't strike me as racist.

Napkiraly wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
The rural/urban divide exists only the minds of those that perpetuate it.

Y'all hate each other for the sake of it, and political parties have to act accordingly.

>Tfw dirty urbanist but still understand where rural folk come from

Then again perhaps it's because I live in a city surrounded by small towns and hamlets.

I live in poor small town USA.

My miserable experiences are better than your second-hand knowledge.

Thermodolia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:In the long haul a party that is collapsing in urban areas will not win you the Senate or the presidency. its unsustainable. Not to mention demographics are not on their side either.

You keep saying that demographics are not on the republicans side yet republicans continue to make inroads with Hispanics in states like Texas and Arizona

Meanwhile Republicans were decimated in Harris and Dallas counties. I guarantee Texas will be a competitive state by 2024.

Thermodolia wrote:

San Lumen wrote:In the long haul a party that is collapsing in urban areas will not win you the Senate or the presidency. its unsustainable. Not to mention demographics are not on their side either.

You keep saying that demographics are not on the republicans side yet republicans continue to make inroads with Hispanics in states like Texas and Arizona

It's a weird world we live in. I saw Hispanics who said they were voting Republican because the Democrats are the "black people" party. And some replaced "black" with another word.

Napkiraly wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
Why? A suburban and urban coalition (which is what they're trying to build) would easily overwhelm any rural coalition.

That will win you the HoR but not the Senate and the Presidency would still be up in the air. Not to mention that rural communities are still part of the country and deserve to have their voices heard and needs looked after. Unless you truly just want the Democrats to be a party of urbanistas and damn everyone else.

We should not think about elections in terms of urban vs. rural areas, we should think about it in terms of one person, one vote. The geographic demographics should not be viewed as blocs, as if city voters are one bloc with a collective will and rural voters are another bloc with their own collective will. There are Democrats out in the fields of Kansas and there are Republicans in San Francisco. When it comes down to it, every voter is an individual. If on an election day, everyone in New York City were magically dispersed throughout the rural areas of America and 8 million people from the rural areas were magically transported to New York City, it would be the same people casting the same votes.

Petrasylvania wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Yes. Obama and his EO allowing him to drone Americans without due process

You want all Muslims deported from the United States and then suddenly care about a radicalized Muslim who was an active threat to the country who you'd want killed anyways getting due process? Oh right, gotta stick it to Obama.

I’m not saying I disagree with the order just that it contradicts the constitution.

I supported Obama but that doesn’t mean I can’t say he had faults. You’re literally what’s wrong with the democrats right now

Valrifell wrote:

Napkiraly wrote:>Tfw dirty urbanist but still understand where rural folk come from

Then again perhaps it's because I live in a city surrounded by small towns and hamlets.

I live in poor small town USA.

My miserable experiences are better than your second-hand knowledge.

Likewise you don't understand the mentality of a lot of city folk and how it continuously leads to fuck ups and the purposeful disregard for the lives of people living outside of the city.

Suburbs are the worst though, seriously fuck the burbs so goddamn much.

Apparently Gillum and Nelson are rescinding their concessions as their margins keeps getting narrower. Recounts are becoming likely.