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Postby Astrolinium » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:37 pm

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I mean, sure, but we're well into the realm of academic looks into wild hypothetical situations here. And there is a possible path onto committees in this case: I could see it as part of a deal with Schumer, sort of "stealth-caucusing" with the Democrats to protect her reputation. Again, this is a total hypothetical that I find interesting solely because I don't know what Senate rules say would happen in such a situation.


There was a single Bull-Moose in the Senate before, he was rather lonely and bored, iirc.


Think of it as a thought experiment, then.
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Postby Valgora » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:45 pm

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Valgora wrote:I'm pretty sure it's a rule that all independents must caucus with either the Democrats and Republicans.

I'd a like to see a source for that. A practical rule, certainly, but an actual rule of the House or the Senate? I would be surprised.


I can't find a definite source.
I remember doing a mock Congress thing in AP Gov't and Politics in high school and we had to caucus as either the Democrats and Republicans and our teacher said that independents must do that.

I did find this:
"The largest caucuses are the party caucuses and conferences in the United States Congress, which are the partisan caucuses comprising all members of one house from one party (either the Democrats or the Republicans) in addition to any independent members who may caucus with either party."

It's probably more of an implicit rule rather than an explicit rule.
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Postby Astrolinium » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:47 pm

Valgora wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I'd a like to see a source for that. A practical rule, certainly, but an actual rule of the House or the Senate? I would be surprised.


I can't find a definite source.
I remember doing a mock Congress thing in AP Gov't and Politics in high school and we had to caucus as either the Democrats and Republicans and our teacher said that independents must do that.

I did find this:
"The largest caucuses are the party caucuses and conferences in the United States Congress, which are the partisan caucuses comprising all members of one house from one party (either the Democrats or the Republicans) in addition to any independent members who may caucus with either party."

It's probably more of an implicit rule rather than an explicit rule.


It's implicit, as far as I'm aware. It is theoretically possible, therefore, for neither caucus to hold an outright majority, and I'm unsure of what happens to the Senate in that case.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:54 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
Valgora wrote:
I can't find a definite source.
I remember doing a mock Congress thing in AP Gov't and Politics in high school and we had to caucus as either the Democrats and Republicans and our teacher said that independents must do that.

I did find this:
"The largest caucuses are the party caucuses and conferences in the United States Congress, which are the partisan caucuses comprising all members of one house from one party (either the Democrats or the Republicans) in addition to any independent members who may caucus with either party."

It's probably more of an implicit rule rather than an explicit rule.


It's implicit, as far as I'm aware. It is theoretically possible, therefore, for neither caucus to hold an outright majority, and I'm unsure of what happens to the Senate in that case.


For legislation they'd probably have to do it vote-by-vote, with the indie darling becoming the most popular person in Congress.

Setting up committees would, as far as I know, continue as normal. With no fun jobs likely going to our indie darling for the sake of keeping power. Alternatively, they get to sit in the most prestigious committee, whatever that is.
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I heard the GOP said the same phrase about voter suppression. :p
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Postby Idzequitch » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:25 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
Valgora wrote:
I can't find a definite source.
I remember doing a mock Congress thing in AP Gov't and Politics in high school and we had to caucus as either the Democrats and Republicans and our teacher said that independents must do that.

I did find this:
"The largest caucuses are the party caucuses and conferences in the United States Congress, which are the partisan caucuses comprising all members of one house from one party (either the Democrats or the Republicans) in addition to any independent members who may caucus with either party."

It's probably more of an implicit rule rather than an explicit rule.


It's implicit, as far as I'm aware. It is theoretically possible, therefore, for neither caucus to hold an outright majority, and I'm unsure of what happens to the Senate in that case.

Senate Majority Co-Leaders Schumer and McConnell? Now that would be an interesting experiment to watch.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:28 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
It's implicit, as far as I'm aware. It is theoretically possible, therefore, for neither caucus to hold an outright majority, and I'm unsure of what happens to the Senate in that case.

Senate Majority Co-Leaders Schumer and McConnell? Now that would be an interesting experiment to watch.


It would probably lead to something the American political system was designed to avoid: A Coalition Leadership.

It wouldn't be like what we see in Europe, but like what New York's Senate has right now.
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Postby Dahon » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:43 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
It's implicit, as far as I'm aware. It is theoretically possible, therefore, for neither caucus to hold an outright majority, and I'm unsure of what happens to the Senate in that case.

Senate Majority Co-Leaders Schumer and McConnell? Now that would be an interesting experiment to watch.


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Doing some tests for tomorrow and the numbers they used accidentally were left on. Embarassing, but hardly a FAKENEWS indictment of MSNBC,
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Postby Oldenfranck » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:26 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:

Doing some tests for tomorrow and the numbers they used accidentally were left on. Embarassing, but hardly a FAKENEWS indictment of MSNBC,


I know, I'm not a right wing nut-job. But please be true, please win Gillum.

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Postby Mystic Warriors » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:30 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:Doing some tests for tomorrow and the numbers they used accidentally were left on. Embarassing, but hardly a FAKENEWS indictment of MSNBC,


I know, I'm not a right wing nut-job. But please be true, please win Gillum.



Gillum needs to win, he would make a good president someday. GOP keeps the senate sadly.
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Postby Oldenfranck » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:31 pm

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I know, I'm not a right wing nut-job. But please be true, please win Gillum.



Gillum needs to win, he would make a good president someday. GOP keeps the senate sadly.


Hoping for Nelson to pull out as well, I hated Gillum at first for vanquishing Gwen Graham in the primary, but over the past few weeks, I have fallen in love with him as a candidate, he is so incredible.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:34 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Oldenfranck wrote:
I know, I'm not a right wing nut-job. But please be true, please win Gillum.



Gillum needs to win, he would make a good president someday. GOP keeps the senate sadly.

The Repubs keeping the Senate in the short term is a small price to pay if the Democrats end up with a majority of state government wins, like Florida.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:34 pm

Oldenfranck wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

Gillum needs to win, he would make a good president someday. GOP keeps the senate sadly.


Hoping for Nelson to pull out as well, I hated Gillum at first for vanquishing Gwen Graham in the primary, but over the past few weeks, I have fallen in love with him as a candidate, he is so incredible.



https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll ... -6518.html

Looking good. Hope it holds.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:35 pm

McSally still has the average lead in polls in Arizona, whilst I'm not super confident in it I kinda think the GOP is gonna hold Arizona.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:39 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:McSally still has the average lead in polls in Arizona, whilst I'm not super confident in it I kinda think the GOP is gonna hold Arizona.



Knock it off. She lost it for like a week, and the average is 0.2. You act like she always had it.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:41 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:McSally still has the average lead in polls in Arizona, whilst I'm not super confident in it I kinda think the GOP is gonna hold Arizona.



Knock it off. She lost it for like a week, and the average is 0.2. You act like she always had it.

Like how Democrats were accused of assuming Clinton always had it. Hmmmmmm...
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Postby Oldenfranck » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:51 pm

Yeah, the practice tabulation or whatever just pops up around 12:36 in the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=042yY_qYEDU

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