US Midterm Elections Megathread III: Hitting The Wall

[Thermodolia]

I bet I could find a 'political analyst' to support essentilly any position.

They're heavily gerrymandered, you don't get such oddly shaped districts unless you're drawing them with an ulterior motive.

The districts in California are not oddly drawn.

Take a look at North Carolina, Michigan or Wisconsin at the state and federal level and you will see gerrymandering

Which is why we need to get rid of FPTP and switch to either MMP or proportional voting

[Telconi]

No it doesn't, it's horribly gerrymandered.

The 8th does not need to stretch that far, same with the 51st. And what the fuck is with the 21st and 23rd? And don't get me started on the 1st and 2nd taking up a majority of the north. You also have the entirety of Sacramento surrounded by the 3rd and 7th districts. And don't get me started on the insane packing of districts in the south in and around LA and the Bay Area. Also, why is Fresno in the 16th, it looks horribly misplaced.

Do you know how population density even works? I mean I can admit the 21st and 23rd look weird, but there is nothing particularly wrong with the 8th and 51st stretching far. That's just how little people live there. Like the entirety of Montana has only ONE district, despite its size, because barely anyone lives there.

Also, the reason districts are packed in the south, around LA, and the bay area is because there are a SHIT TON OF PEOPLE THERE. It's not that hard to grasp.

The commission even said they drew maps to keep "communities of interest" together. That's not just blindly fitting shapes to adjust population.

[San Lumen]

Do you know how population density even works? I mean I can admit the 21st and 23rd look weird, but there is nothing particularly wrong with the 8th and 51st stretching far. That's just how little people live there. Like the entirety of Montana has only ONE district, despite its size, because barely anyone lives there.

Also, the reason districts are packed in the south, around LA, and the bay area is because there are a SHIT TON OF PEOPLE THERE. It's not that hard to grasp.

The commission even said they drew maps to keep "communities of interest" together. That's not just blindly fitting shapes to adjust population.

Well it does make sense for Modoc and Lassen counties two very rural counties into a district with other similar ones and not lop them into a district that includes part of Sacramento

[Telconi]

The commission even said they drew maps to keep "communities of interest" together. That's not just blindly fitting shapes to adjust population.

Well it does make sense for Modoc and Lassen counties two very rural counties into a district with other similar ones and not lop them into a district that includes part of Sacramento

Lumen: "Gerrymandering is bad and should be stopped."

Also Lumen: "Gerrymandering makes sense"

[San Lumen]

Well it does make sense for Modoc and Lassen counties two very rural counties into a district with other similar ones and not lop them into a district that includes part of Sacramento

Lumen: "Gerrymandering is bad and should be stopped."

Also Lumen: "Gerrymandering makes sense"

For the upteenth time that’s not gerrymandering

[Freezic Vast]

Lumen: "Gerrymandering is bad and should be stopped."

Also Lumen: "Gerrymandering makes sense"

For the upteenth time that’s not gerrymandering

Yes it is.

[Telconi]

Lumen: "Gerrymandering is bad and should be stopped."

Also Lumen: "Gerrymandering makes sense"

For the upteenth time that’s not gerrymandering

ger·ry·man·der
/ˈjerēˌmandər/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: gerrymandering
manipulate the boundaries of (an electoral constituency) so as to favor one party or class.

"Rural" is a class of voter.

[San Lumen]

For the upteenth time that’s not gerrymandering

Yes it is.

It’s called population density. Something you seem to have trouble understanding

[Proctopeo]

I bet I could find a 'political analyst' to support essentilly any position.

They're heavily gerrymandered, you don't get such oddly shaped districts unless you're drawing them with an ulterior motive.

The districts in California are not oddly drawn.

Take a look at North Carolina, Michigan or Wisconsin at the state and federal level and you will see gerrymandering

NC's districts look barely worse than California's. Michigan's look about as bad in the same ways, and Wisconsin's are about as bad but in different ways.
I have a strong suspicion that your stalwart defense of California's districts is purely partisan.

[Freezic Vast]

Yes it is.

It’s called population density. Something you seem to have trouble understanding

Or maybe you're flat out wrong.

[Telconi]

Yes it is.

It’s called population density. Something you seem to have trouble understanding

So why not put a small chunk of Sacramento in?

[Cannot think of a name]

Ah Jesus fuck this fucking thing again.

You could draw a little circle over every republican voter and make them a district it wouldn’t matter they’d still lose. They’re not getting beat because of gerrymandering, they’re not getting beat because of the jungle primaries. Their getting beat because no party affiliation outnumbers them in this state, because their ideas don’t sell here. Come up with better, more convincing ideas.

[Telconi]

Ah Jesus fuck this fucking thing again.

You could draw a little circle over every republican voter and make them a district it wouldn’t matter they’d still lose. They’re not getting beat because of gerrymandering, they’re not getting beat because of the jungle primaries. Their getting beat because no party affiliation outnumbers them in this state, because their ideas don’t sell here. Come up with better, more convincing ideas.

No.

[San Lumen]

It’s called population density. Something you seem to have trouble understanding

Or maybe you're flat out wrong.

No I understand geography and population density. Los Angeles and the coast in general has more representation because there are more people simple as that

It’s the same reason Newsom is Governor of California and wolf is governor of Pennsylvania. They got the most votes

[Freezic Vast]

Or maybe you're flat out wrong.

No I understand geography and population density. Los Angeles and the coast in general has more representation because there are more people simple as that

It’s the same reason Newsom is Governor of California and wolf is governor of Pennsylvania. They got the most votes

And this is irrelevant.

[Tarsonis]

No I understand geography and population density. Los Angeles and the coast in general has more representation because there are more people simple as that

It’s the same reason Newsom is Governor of California and wolf is governor of Pennsylvania. They got the most votes

And this is irrelevant.

It really isn’t. The Federalism is about states v federal government, states themselves are majority rule. Dems won the governorships. Shit happens

[Telconi]

And this is irrelevant.

It really isn’t. The Federalism is about states v federal government, states themselves are majority rule. Dems won the governorships. Shit happens

And the fact that a state is majority rule doesn't mean that such a system isn't hot garbage.

[Tarsonis]

It really isn’t. The Federalism is about states v federal government, states themselves are majority rule. Dems won the governorships. Shit happens

And the fact that a state is majority rule doesn't mean that such a system isn't hot garbage.

Doesn’t mean that is is either. You’ve made it clear that your metric of what makes a system good or bad is if it delivers the results you want, and keeps your people in power.

So I’m not inclined to trust your view any more than the Democrats

[Telconi]

And the fact that a state is majority rule doesn't mean that such a system isn't hot garbage.

Doesn’t mean that is is either. You’ve made it clear that your metric of what makes a system good or bad is if it delivers the results you want, and keeps your people in power.

So I’m not inclined to trust your view any more than the Democrats

-shrug- doesn't everyone want a government which delivers the results it wants?

[San Lumen]

No I understand geography and population density. Los Angeles and the coast in general has more representation because there are more people simple as that

It’s the same reason Newsom is Governor of California and wolf is governor of Pennsylvania. They got the most votes

And this is irrelevant.

It’s not irrelevant. An election works on the principle of who gets the most votes

Regarding election districts population density and geography is not a difficult concept.

In New York the nyc metro has the most representation because it has the most people. The same goes for the California Coast. ITs a simple concept

[Freezic Vast]

And this is irrelevant.

It’s not irrelevant. An election works on the principle of who gets the most votes

Regarding election districts population density and geography is not a difficult concept.

In New York the nyc metro has the most representation because it has the most people. The same goes for the California Coast. ITs a simple concept

And you lecturing me about it doesn't help, nor makes it anymore relevant.

[San Lumen]

It’s not irrelevant. An election works on the principle of who gets the most votes

Regarding election districts population density and geography is not a difficult concept.

In New York the nyc metro has the most representation because it has the most people. The same goes for the California Coast. ITs a simple concept

And you lecturing me about it doesn't help, nor makes it anymore relevant.

How am I lecturing you? I explained to you how your wrong regarding how drawing election districts is as have others

[Freezic Vast]

And you lecturing me about it doesn't help, nor makes it anymore relevant.

How am I lecturing you? I explained to you how your wrong regarding how drawing election districts is as have others

And it's irrelevant.

[San Lumen]

How am I lecturing you? I explained to you how your wrong regarding how drawing election districts is as have others

And it's irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant?

[Ngelmish]

And it's irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant?

Because he doesn't care. The only political metric that interests him is whether or not his particular chosen outcomes are enacted -- methods are irrelevant.