US Midterm Elections Megathread III: Hitting The Wall

[Freezic Vast]

Do you not understand what I am saying, I answered it before, I'm not answering it again, your question is irrelevant and you have failed to answer my question.

No it’s not irrelevant. You simply don’t like you have less population and think the system ought to be rigged in your favor

Yes it is.

"Things I did not say outright"

And you continue to dodge my question, either answer it or we're done here.

[Valrifell]

In that case, who are those who you would say have an oppressive say, if anyone?

Our governmen..

I always took you for an anarchist, Comrade Tel.

[Major-Tom]

In that case, who are those who you would say have an oppressive say, if anyone?

Our governmen..

Democracy's purpose, or one of its' main purposes, is to prevent oppressive say. Regardless of who I think may have a borderline oppressive say, regardless of whether or not I think anyone does at this juncture, you'd have to admit that strengthening our democratic institutions and the like would reduce the possibility of an "oppressive say," right?

[San Lumen]

No it’s not irrelevant. You simply don’t like you have less population and think the system ought to be rigged in your favor

Yes it is.

"Things I did not say outright"

And you continue to dodge my question, either answer it or we're done here.

The map fairly represents the people

You might not have said it outright but it’s what your implying

[Freezic Vast]

Yes it is.

"Things I did not say outright"

And you continue to dodge my question, either answer it or we're done here.

The map fairly represents the people

No it doesn't, it's horribly gerrymandered.

The 8th does not need to stretch that far, same with the 51st. And what the fuck is with the 21st and 23rd? And don't get me started on the 1st and 2nd taking up a majority of the north. You also have the entirety of Sacramento surrounded by the 3rd and 7th districts. And don't get me started on the insane packing of districts in the south in and around LA and the Bay Area. Also, why is Fresno in the 16th, it looks horribly misplaced.

[Telconi]

Our governmen..

Yeah how dare anyone vote who disagrees with you

Do you just have that phrase copied to your clip oars so you can repeat it ad nauseum?

[San Lumen]

The map fairly represents the people

No it doesn't, it's horribly gerrymandered.

The 8th does not need to stretch that far, same with the 51st. And what the fuck is with the 21st and 23rd? And don't get me started on the 1st and 2nd taking up a majority of the north. You also have the entirety of Sacramento surrounded by the 3rd and 7th districts. And don't get me started on the insane packing of districts in the south in and around LA and the Bay Area. Also, why is Fresno in the 16th, it looks horribly misplaced.

As I already explained to you districts have to contiguous and compact and roughly equal in population.

North Carolina, Wisconsin and Michigan are gerrymandered not California. Republicans get less votes for the state legislature but a majority of seats

[Telconi]

Our governmen..

Democracy's purpose, or one of its' main purposes, is to prevent oppressive say. Regardless of who I think may have a borderline oppressive say, regardless of whether or not I think anyone does at this juncture, you'd have to admit that strengthening our democratic institutions and the like would reduce the possibility of an "oppressive say," right?

Certainly, which is the point.

[Freezic Vast]

No it doesn't, it's horribly gerrymandered.

The 8th does not need to stretch that far, same with the 51st. And what the fuck is with the 21st and 23rd? And don't get me started on the 1st and 2nd taking up a majority of the north. You also have the entirety of Sacramento surrounded by the 3rd and 7th districts. And don't get me started on the insane packing of districts in the south in and around LA and the Bay Area. Also, why is Fresno in the 16th, it looks horribly misplaced.

As I already explained to you districts have to contiguous and compact and roughly equal in population.

North Carolina, Wisconsin and Michigan are gerrymandered not California. Republicans get less votes for the state legislature but a majority of seats

Which is irrelevant.

Cali is gerrymandered.

[Valrifell]

As I already explained to you districts have to contiguous and compact and roughly equal in population.

North Carolina, Wisconsin and Michigan are gerrymandered not California. Republicans get less votes for the state legislature but a majority of seats

Which is irrelevant.

Cali is gerrymandered.

If you think this because LA and San Fran have a lot of districts, I'm sorry, but that's wrong.

[Kowani]

As I already explained to you districts have to contiguous and compact and roughly equal in population.

North Carolina, Wisconsin and Michigan are gerrymandered not California. Republicans get less votes for the state legislature but a majority of seats

Which is irrelevant.

Cali is gerrymandered.

It’s gerrymandering to make districts with similar populations?

[Frievolk]

Which is irrelevant.

Cali is gerrymandered.

It’s gerrymandering to make districts with similar populations?

It is if it means the side I don't like wins

[Freezic Vast]

Which is irrelevant.

Cali is gerrymandered.

If you think this because LA and San Fran have a lot of districts, I'm sorry, but that's wrong.

Oh no it's not just that I also hate the way how some of the districts are drawn, like the 8th, 51st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 7th, 21st, 22nd, 23rd, 16th, 25th, 24th, 20th, 42nd, and others as well. literally the one district I like is the 36th.

[Telconi]

Which is irrelevant.

Cali is gerrymandered.

It’s gerrymandering to make districts with similar populations?

It is if you shape them to encourage a pareticular result.

[Telconi]

Our governmen..

I always took you for an anarchist, Comrade Tel.

"Government should not mistreat it's people" is not the same as "government should not exist"

[San Lumen]

If you think this because LA and San Fran have a lot of districts, I'm sorry, but that's wrong.

Oh no it's not just that I also hate the way how some of the districts are drawn, like the 8th, 51st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 7th, 21st, 22nd, 23rd, 16th, 25th, 24th, 20th, 42nd, and others as well. literally the one district I like is the 36th.

That is not gerrymandered. They are drawn that way to ensure equal population which is required

North Carolina, Wisconsin and Michigan are gerrymandered. Democrats got more votes for the legislature but not a majority. How is that in any way fair?

[Freezic Vast]

Oh no it's not just that I also hate the way how some of the districts are drawn, like the 8th, 51st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 7th, 21st, 22nd, 23rd, 16th, 25th, 24th, 20th, 42nd, and others as well. literally the one district I like is the 36th.

That is not gerrymandered. They are drawn that way to ensure equal population which is required

North Carolina, Wisconsin and Michigan are gerrymandered.

It does not need to be drawn in such a fashion to ensure equal population. Does 51st really need to stretch from the coast to the border with Arizona? Does the 8th need to stretch that far north?

Okay? This is irrelevant.

[Valrifell]

I always took you for an anarchist, Comrade Tel.

"Government should not mistreat it's people" is not the same as "government should not exist"

Or is it?

[San Lumen]

That is not gerrymandered. They are drawn that way to ensure equal population which is required

North Carolina, Wisconsin and Michigan are gerrymandered.

It does not need to be drawn in such a fashion to ensure equal population. Does 51st really need to stretch from the coast to the border with Arizona? Does the 8th need to stretch that far north?

Okay? This is irrelevant.

To create equal population yes

[Freezic Vast]

It does not need to be drawn in such a fashion to ensure equal population. Does 51st really need to stretch from the coast to the border with Arizona? Does the 8th need to stretch that far north?

Okay? This is irrelevant.

To create equal population yes

No, it doesn't, it just shows that it is gerrymandered.

[Valrifell]

Drawing districts is actually really hard. Just because abdistrict is ugly does not necessarily mean it's gerrymandered, there's a pretty neat web game that illustrates this point.

[Corrian]

Kind of sad how many people are starting to dislike democracy lately, seemingly because people they disagree with have a say. And just in general.

[San Lumen]

To create equal population yes

No, it doesn't, it just shows that it is gerrymandered.

It is not. The population density of the interior is much less than on the coast. To have equal population some districts have to be larger

[Frievolk]

To create equal population yes

No, it doesn't, it just shows that it is gerrymandered.

I don't think you understand what Gerrymandering is.

[Corrian]

The map fairly represents the people

No it doesn't, it's horribly gerrymandered.

The 8th does not need to stretch that far, same with the 51st. And what the fuck is with the 21st and 23rd? And don't get me started on the 1st and 2nd taking up a majority of the north. You also have the entirety of Sacramento surrounded by the 3rd and 7th districts. And don't get me started on the insane packing of districts in the south in and around LA and the Bay Area. Also, why is Fresno in the 16th, it looks horribly misplaced.

Do you know how population density even works? I mean I can admit the 21st and 23rd look weird, but there is nothing particularly wrong with the 8th and 51st stretching far. That's just how little people live there. Like the entirety of Montana has only ONE district, despite its size, because barely anyone lives there.

Also, the reason districts are packed in the south, around LA, and the bay area is because there are a SHIT TON OF PEOPLE THERE. It's not that hard to grasp.