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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:49 pm

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Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
It certainly needs a bit of an update, because the US is basically the Windows 1.0 of democratic republics.


And in the update we start by making gerrymandering illegal and have all states draw legislative lines by independent commission like what Missouri, Utah, Michigan and Colorado voting to do via referendum. We can also abolish the electoral college.

It simply is not fair for a party to get the most votes for the legislature and not a majority like in Wisconsin this year were Democrats got 54 percent of the vote but not a majority

Um no. We need to change the voting system to either MMP or Party list proportional voting for the House and STV for the senate. The president should be elected by a two round system.

This would effectively break the two party system entirely
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:50 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
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And in the update we start by making gerrymandering illegal and have all states draw legislative lines by independent commission like what Missouri, Utah, Michigan and Colorado voting to do via referendum. We can also abolish the electoral college.

It simply is not fair for a party to get the most votes for the legislature and not a majority like in Wisconsin this year were Democrats got 54 percent of the vote but not a majority


By "update", I also mean destroying the duopoly that is the Democrat-Republican axis.

Jesus Christ, even I, an authoritarian, know better than to lock myself in an echo chamber full of yes-men.

Why is it that the two authoritarians want to make the US electorally better but the supposed anti-authoritarian doesn’t
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:02 pm

So when did the righties suddenly want favorite boogiewoman Nancy Pelosi gone?
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:04 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:So when did the righties suddenly want favorite boogiewoman Nancy Pelosi gone?

Who are you talking about?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:04 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
By "update", I also mean destroying the duopoly that is the Democrat-Republican axis.

Jesus Christ, even I, an authoritarian, know better than to lock myself in an echo chamber full of yes-men.

Why is it that the two authoritarians want to make the US electorally better but the supposed anti-authoritarian doesn’t


Go fucking figure.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:06 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:So when did the righties suddenly want favorite boogiewoman Nancy Pelosi gone?


June 2. 1987.
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Postby Ngelmish » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:37 pm

Corrian wrote:
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The majority do not want Pelosi gone. Plus we are not a democracy we are a Republic. In the words of Edmund Burke "A Representative owes you not only his industry but his judgment and sacrifices it if he puts your opinion over his own."

...She has a 28% approval rating. The vast majority want her gone.


Aside from the rather tedious fact that context matters, other people disliking Pelosi is literally the only specific thing I've ever seen you attribute to her that accounts for your dislike of her. Do you have other reasons? Do you suddenly not like Bernie Sanders? There are people who dislike him too

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Postby Senkaku » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:03 pm

Ngelmish wrote:
Corrian wrote:...She has a 28% approval rating. The vast majority want her gone.


Aside from the rather tedious fact that context matters, other people disliking Pelosi is literally the only specific thing I've ever seen you attribute to her that accounts for your dislike of her. Do you have other reasons? Do you suddenly not like Bernie Sanders? There are people who dislike him too

Can't a fella have some baseless rabid opposition to long-time incumbents these days, jeez

I mean she's been in office for a long time and she's not named Bernie Sanders, and Fox News dislikes her so clearly she's corrupt and she's gotta go! :p
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Postby Corrian » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:05 pm

Ngelmish wrote:
Corrian wrote:...She has a 28% approval rating. The vast majority want her gone.


Aside from the rather tedious fact that context matters, other people disliking Pelosi is literally the only specific thing I've ever seen you attribute to her that accounts for your dislike of her. Do you have other reasons? Do you suddenly not like Bernie Sanders? There are people who dislike him too

And the majority approve of him. There is a difference.

Senkaku wrote:I mean she's been in office for a long time and she's not named Bernie Sanders, and Fox News dislikes her so clearly she's corrupt and she's gotta go! :p

I really don't give a shit what Fox News thinks about her.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:36 pm

Telconi wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:So when did the righties suddenly want favorite boogiewoman Nancy Pelosi gone?


June 2. 1987.

But who will they tell faithful Republican is trying to destroy them if they don't vote?
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Postby Corrian » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:50 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Telconi wrote:
June 2. 1987.

But who will they tell faithful Republican is trying to destroy them if they don't vote?

The next Democrat in line of course.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:07 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Telconi wrote:
June 2. 1987.

But who will they tell faithful Republican is trying to destroy them if they don't vote?


Ideally nobody, but more likely whoever is.
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Postby Oldenfranck » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:10 pm

Schumer just rewarded Manchin with the title of ranking member of the senate energy committee lol, congrats on your grand victories Mr. Manchin!

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:16 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
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What do you mean by "better"?

I don't think she's exactly done a garbage job as Speaker, it's not really her job to get members elected so much as it is to ensure the Democratic agenda is enacted wherever possible. Getting the ACA passed is p good, I think.

Ah yess that watered down piece of shit. What a great achievement


Getting any kind of healthcare plan out there was an achievement, tbh. That's doing what several presidents before have attempted but none could follow through on.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:20 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Ah yess that watered down piece of shit. What a great achievement


Getting any kind of healthcare plan out there was an achievement, tbh. That's doing what several presidents before have attempted but none could follow through on.


Would have been better off if they'd smothered that bill in its crib after it was so heavily compromised...
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
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And in the update we start by making gerrymandering illegal and have all states draw legislative lines by independent commission like what Missouri, Utah, Michigan and Colorado voting to do via referendum. We can also abolish the electoral college.

It simply is not fair for a party to get the most votes for the legislature and not a majority like in Wisconsin this year were Democrats got 54 percent of the vote but not a majority

Um no. We need to change the voting system to either MMP or Party list proportional voting for the House and STV for the senate. The president should be elected by a two round system.


I much prefer the "we should reform the US electoral system" Therm over the "we should revive MacArthur from the dead and declare him the American Caesar" Therm.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:24 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Um no. We need to change the voting system to either MMP or Party list proportional voting for the House and STV for the senate. The president should be elected by a two round system.


I much prefer the "we should reform the US electoral system" Therm over the "we should revive MacArthur from the dead and declare him the American Caesar" Therm.


Well, we have to live with both, I guess.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:26 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Um no. We need to change the voting system to either MMP or Party list proportional voting for the House and STV for the senate. The president should be elected by a two round system.


I much prefer the "we should reform the US electoral system" Therm over the "we should revive MacArthur from the dead and declare him the American Caesar" Therm.


Eh, I'd much rather befriend the "Huey Long should've been President" Therm.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:28 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Um no. We need to change the voting system to either MMP or Party list proportional voting for the House and STV for the senate. The president should be elected by a two round system.


I much prefer the "we should reform the US electoral system" Therm over the "we should revive MacArthur from the dead and declare him the American Caesar" Therm.


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Postby Corrian » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:14 pm

Oldenfranck wrote:Schumer just rewarded Manchin with the title of ranking member of the senate energy committee lol, congrats on your grand victories Mr. Manchin!

Gross.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:15 pm

Corrian wrote:
Oldenfranck wrote:Schumer just rewarded Manchin with the title of ranking member of the senate energy committee lol, congrats on your grand victories Mr. Manchin!

Gross.

Rewarding a Blue Dog all but guaranteed to stab the party in the back on a moment's notice.
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"For the GOP crying that this is a 'threat' - I don't have power to subpoena anybody," she tweeted later Friday. "Congress as a body, GOP included, has the power. No indiv. member can issue a subpoena unless they are a Chair (which, as a freshman, I can assure you I will not be). Also must be under purview."



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Postby Telconi » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:19 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Corrian wrote:Gross.

Rewarding a Blue Dog all but guaranteed to stab the party in the back on a moment's notice.


Not everyone can meet your standards of ideological excellency Gauth.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:12 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Corrian wrote:Gross.

Rewarding a Blue Dog all but guaranteed to stab the party in the back on a moment's notice.


I think we're making too much out of that, he's just going to be a ranking member with no real authority.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:41 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I much prefer the "we should reform the US electoral system" Therm over the "we should revive MacArthur from the dead and declare him the American Caesar" Therm.


Eh, I'd much rather befriend the "Huey Long should've been President" Therm.

There’s some many flavors of Therm.
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