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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:02 am

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Petrasylvania wrote:No, the position is that in person voter fraud is rather insignificant in terms of affecting elections, if it happens at all there's not enough to swing an election, therefore the onerous requirements for voter ID in red states are shameless pretense for voter suppression. Nobody outside of your imagination declared voter fraud in general never happens. Just admit you've turned full Republican.


Imagine being so arrogant you think you can speak for literally every person and their positions on a topic on the entire planet lmao

Can't refute so you get personal. :^]
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Postby Agarntrop » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:05 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Imagine being so arrogant you think you can speak for literally every person and their positions on a topic on the entire planet lmao

Can't refute so you get personal. :^]

Yeah, why not try actually debating rather than throwing quite desperate criticisms WRA.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:06 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Imagine being so arrogant you think you can speak for literally every person and their positions on a topic on the entire planet lmao

Can't refute so you get personal. :^]


I don't need to refute that. You're claiming to speak for 7,666,992,000 people and are certain that you know the position of all of them on a single topic. Some things refute themselves lol
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:07 am

Here's a good way to curb absentee ballot voter fraud: No absentee voting, and make election day a federal holiday.
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Postby Agarntrop » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:08 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Can't refute so you get personal. :^]


I don't need to refute that. You're claiming to speak for 7,666,992,000 people and are certain that you know the position of all of them on a single topic. Some things refute themselves lol

Ummm... no he's not
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:08 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Can't refute so you get personal. :^]


I don't need to refute that. You're claiming to speak for 7,666,992,000 people and are certain that you know the position of all of them on a single topic. Some things refute themselves lol

Please, you were clearly mocking opponents of Voter ID with that crack. You can stop pretend you were being more general now, there's no shame. :^]
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:08 am

Tarsonis wrote:Here's a good way to curb absentee ballot voter fraud: No absentee voting, and make election day a federal holiday.

Why do you hate the military?
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:09 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I don't need to refute that. You're claiming to speak for 7,666,992,000 people and are certain that you know the position of all of them on a single topic. Some things refute themselves lol

Please, you were clearly mocking opponents of Voter ID with that crack. You can stop pretend you were being more general now, there's no shame. :^]


Well you have to forgive him a little. Opponents of Voter ID are so easily mocked, sometimes you do it without realizing it.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:10 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I don't need to refute that. You're claiming to speak for 7,666,992,000 people and are certain that you know the position of all of them on a single topic. Some things refute themselves lol

Please, you were clearly mocking opponents of Voter ID with that crack. You can stop pretend you were being more general now, there's no shame. :^]


Never change Gauth lol, this arrogance is top notch.

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I don't need to refute that. You're claiming to speak for 7,666,992,000 people and are certain that you know the position of all of them on a single topic. Some things refute themselves lol

Ummm... no he's not


Yes, yes he is. I advise actually reading before jumping in anon.
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Postby Agarntrop » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:10 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:Here's a good way to curb absentee ballot voter fraud: No absentee voting, and make election day a federal holiday.

Why do you hate the military?

It's not just the millitary that would be affected, also.
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Postby Agarntrop » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:11 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Please, you were clearly mocking opponents of Voter ID with that crack. You can stop pretend you were being more general now, there's no shame. :^]


Never change Gauth lol, this arrogance is top notch.

Agarntrop wrote:Ummm... no he's not


Yes, yes he is. I advise actually reading before jumping in anon.

I have and he's not, don't presume I'm supid mate.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:12 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:Here's a good way to curb absentee ballot voter fraud: No absentee voting, and make election day a federal holiday.

Why do you hate the military?


Cause we're assholes.
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Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:12 am

Agarntrop wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Why do you hate the military?

It's not just the millitary that would be affected, also.


YUP, get them minorities out of there too. Can't have them messing up the election.
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:14 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Why do you hate the military?


Cause we're assholes.

Admitting your problem is the first step to recovery. :^]
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If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Agarntrop » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:15 am

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Agarntrop wrote:It's not just the millitary that would be affected, also.


YUP, get them minorities out of there too. Can't have them messing up the election.

Why are you being racist now too?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:21 am

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Not particularly, and before you ask I'd have no problems if the Dems did the same to the GOP. A less powerful government is a good thing in our hyperpartisan shitfest.

But the optics of this look awful. It makes Republicans look like sore losers throwing a temper tantrum because they lost the election

People can do the right thing for the wrong reasons.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:22 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:But the optics of this look awful. It makes Republicans look like sore losers throwing a temper tantrum because they lost the election

People can do the right thing for the wrong reasons.

I'm sure you'd say it was the right thing if Democrats do it to an incoming Republican government.
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If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Agarntrop » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:22 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:But the optics of this look awful. It makes Republicans look like sore losers throwing a temper tantrum because they lost the election

People can do the right thing for the wrong reasons.

Yes but in this case they're doing the wrong thing for the wrong reasons.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:29 am

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San Lumen wrote:Utter nonsense


It's also not totally incorrect. You'd have to be blind to not see the hostility and conflicting ideas between folks like Ocasio-Cortez and establishment types like Pelosi.

They must really want to kill the progressive wing of the party when they've chosen progressives like Katherine Clark of Massachusetts or Hakeem Jeffries of New York to serve in leadership. Hakeems Jeffries will be the chair of the Democratic caucus come January.
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:30 am

Tarsonis wrote:Here's a good way to curb absentee ballot voter fraud: No absentee voting, and make election day a federal holiday.

Honestly, I think things would go a lot better for everyone if there was a bipartisan group drawing up districts, election day became a holiday, and we had automatic voter registration. I don't see why that isn't a bipartisan issue.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:31 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Extradition is a thing dude


Ok and what if the rural county doesnt recognize the alleged crime as one and refuse to hand them over?

First off you do know that extradition doesn’t mean that you need to recognize the alleged crime.

Second state police are a thing

Thermodolia wrote:Actually you can. Look at weed for example.

In Atlanta and a few other cities in Georgia it’s been decriminalized. Yet it’s not in the rest of the state.


But can that law be enforced if weed is illegal in Georgia?

Technically no weed laws can be enforced because federal trumps state laws.

In Georgia the counties and large cities have home rule. Which means that they can pass laws that contrindicate state law to an extent. Such as marijuana enforcement.

In Atlanta the APD will not arrest you for possession however the state police theoretically could. I say theoretically because the state police aren’t involved in actual enforcement and are just highway patrol.

Even so that's no the same as different areas of the state having completely different sets of laws.

It’s exactly the same. The city of Atlanta has different drug laws than the county of Gwinnett. That’s different sets of laws.

Another example is the sales taxes. Which can differ from county to county based on SPLOST taxes or MARTA taxes. Or how about this, only five metro Atlanta counties can join MARTA. The rest of the counties in Georgia can’t.

For example same sex marriage an adoption only being legal in big cites and not suburban or rural counties.

That’s not possible in the first place though.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:32 am

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:Here's a good way to curb absentee ballot voter fraud: No absentee voting, and make election day a federal holiday.

Honestly, I think things would go a lot better for everyone if there was a bipartisan group drawing up districts, election day became a holiday, and we had automatic voter registration. I don't see why that isn't a bipartisan issue.


I agree completely the problem is Republicans know that if districts are fairly drawn and everyone is allowed to vote they wont win. They see free and fair elections as an annoyance and when they lose they try to curb the power of the incoming executive such as what is being attempted in Wisconsin and Michigan.

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:32 am

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:Here's a good way to curb absentee ballot voter fraud: No absentee voting, and make election day a federal holiday.

Honestly, I think things would go a lot better for everyone if there was a bipartisan group drawing up districts, election day became a holiday, and we had automatic voter registration. I don't see why that isn't a bipartisan issue.

Things would be better if we didn’t have Districts in the first place
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:33 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Ok and what if the rural county doesnt recognize the alleged crime as one and refuse to hand them over?

First off you do know that extradition doesn’t mean that you need to recognize the alleged crime.

Second state police are a thing


But can that law be enforced if weed is illegal in Georgia?

Technically no weed laws can be enforced because federal trumps state laws.

In Georgia the counties and large cities have home rule. Which means that they can pass laws that contrindicate state law to an extent. Such as marijuana enforcement.

In Atlanta the APD will not arrest you for possession however the state police theoretically could. I say theoretically because the state police aren’t involved in actual enforcement and are just highway patrol.

Even so that's no the same as different areas of the state having completely different sets of laws.

It’s exactly the same. The city of Atlanta has different drug laws than the county of Gwinnett. That’s different sets of laws.

Another example is the sales taxes. Which can differ from county to county based on SPLOST taxes or MARTA taxes. Or how about this, only five metro Atlanta counties can join MARTA. The rest of the counties in Georgia can’t.

For example same sex marriage an adoption only being legal in big cites and not suburban or rural counties.

That’s not possible in the first place though.


The last point could be if you if had this insane idea some are proposing of separate governments for urban and rural or having things like marriage be up to the county.

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:34 am

San Lumen wrote:
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It's also not totally incorrect. You'd have to be blind to not see the hostility and conflicting ideas between folks like Ocasio-Cortez and establishment types like Pelosi.

They must really want to kill the progressive wing of the party when they've chosen progressives like Katherine Clark of Massachusetts or Hakeem Jeffries of New York to serve in leadership. Hakeems Jeffries will be the chair of the Democratic caucus come January.

Because a corporate lawyer is sooo progressive. Give me a damn break
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