US Midterm Elections Megathread III: Hitting The Wall

[Valrifell]

Some of the worst in the nation.

The cradle of American liberty has gone the way of ol' Benedict Arnold...

Didn't you just have the discussion on why enforcing laws you find distasteful isn't oppressive?

[Post War America]

Some of the worst in the nation.

The cradle of American liberty has gone the way of ol' Benedict Arnold...

I mean, I was capable of legally owning a musket a goodly amount of powder, caps, and shot without a license for like two years. Didn't need to get one until I decided to get a bolt-action, and the process to get it was legitimately easier than getting a driver's license so I wouldn't call our laws all that restrictive.

[Loben]

The cradle of American liberty has gone the way of ol' Benedict Arnold...

I mean, I was capable of legally owning a musket a goodly amount of powder, caps, and shot without a license for like two years. Didn't need to get one until I decided to get a bolt-action, and the process to get it was legitimately easier than getting a driver's license so I wouldn't call our laws all that restrictive.

how about Semi autos?

[Post War America]

I mean, I was capable of legally owning a musket a goodly amount of powder, caps, and shot without a license for like two years. Didn't need to get one until I decided to get a bolt-action, and the process to get it was legitimately easier than getting a driver's license so I wouldn't call our laws all that restrictive.

how about Semi autos?

Iunno, was never really into them myself so I never really bothered learning the laws on them.

[Loben]

how about Semi autos?

Iunno, was never really into them myself so I never really bothered learning the laws on them.

i have an AR-15, an AK clone and my SKS is in Indiana.

[Luminesa]

I can assure you the driving in Baton Rouge is worse.

Uhhhhh well...you can ask Troy Aikman about his golden ca...erm...golden statue of Tom Brady on his front lawn. I say this and I like the Pats! XD

A golden statue is a bit extra dontcha think Troy?

I'm also amused by how quickly a search about Massachusetts related jokes stray into socialist propaganda.

The Massachusetts Governor is red in more ways than one perhaps. >.>

[Mystic Warriors]

Both Nelson and Scott have filed lawsuits, Trump is crying. Just let all the votes be counted, can the GOP stop trying to suppress votes for once? They act like the Democrats are making up fake ballots. Jeez.

[Genivaria]

Both Nelson and Scott have filed lawsuits, Trump is crying. Just let all the votes be counted, can the GOP stop trying to suppress votes for once? They act like the Democrats are making up fake ballots. Jeez.

That is literally what Trump and Pals are claiming, that there are illegals voting.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Both Nelson and Scott have filed lawsuits, Trump is crying. Just let all the votes be counted, can the GOP stop trying to suppress votes for once? They act like the Democrats are making up fake ballots. Jeez.

That is literally what Trump and Pals are claiming, that there are illegals voting.

Idk how true it is but I saw this link on the topic earlier.

[Corrian]

That is literally what Trump and Pals are claiming, that there are illegals voting.

Idk how true it is but I saw this link on the topic earlier.

Dailywire has a pretty big bias if I recall.

[Shofercia]

Friend: "there's alleged evidence of voter fraud in two states!"
Me: "let me guess, Florida and Arizona"
Him: "how'd you know?"
Me: "Florida's Florida, and Arizona's a race with stellar candidates and both parties playing dirty"

Seriously Florida. Just. Stop. Snipes fucked up in 2016, what the fuck is she still doing in office? And don't give me that bullshit about her doing it because she's a Democrat, Rick Scott should've taken steps to have her fired right after the 2016 bullshit.

Florida Sauce: https://www.yahoo.com/news/scott-prevai ... 57528.html

A Florida judge has ordered Broward County Board of Elections supervisor Brenda Snipes to turn over all records requested by Republican Senate candidate Rick Scott no later than 7 p.m. Friday. Scott filed suit against Broward County on Thursday, demanding that Snipes comply with public-records law by revealing the number of mail-in absentee ballots her office has received, as well as how many of those have been counted thus far.

Snipes, who has a history of running afoul of election law, has refused to disclose the number of mail-in absentee ballots her office has received, choosing instead to gradually report vote counts over the three days since the election. In that time, Scott’s initial lead over Democratic incumbent senator Bill Nelson has narrowed from more than 50,000 votes to just over 15,000. Snipes’s attorneys told the judge during Friday’s emergency court hearing that their client would gladly release all records once the counting process concluded, and argued that forcing her to do so immediately would interfere with her ability to finalize the count in a timely manner.

Snipes’s lack of transparency regarding the vote count has led a number of prominent Republicans, including Senator Marco Rubio of Florida and President Trump, to suggest that Democrats are resorting to fraud to overturn Scott’s victory. Critics of the Broward vote-count operation have cited Snipes’s record of engaging in dubious, and occasionally illegal, conduct at her job. A judge ruled in 2016 that Snipes violated Florida election law by prematurely destroying mail-in ballots that would have otherwise been examined as part of a lawsuit against her office. Snipes was again found guilty of violating election law in February, when a Florida judge found that she prematurely opened a number of mail-in absentee ballots. Scott indicated Thursday that he was calling for an investigation into the Broward County Board of Elections, but the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told National Review on Friday that the governor has not formally ordered an investigation.

Arizona sauce: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/po ... 942637002/

President Donald Trump and Republicans in Arizona and nationally are stoking claims of deliberate election fraud in the state's U.S. Senate race as Martha McSally and Kyrsten Sinema await results of a vote that could swing in either's favor. The tight race has left Republicans in jeopardy of losing a Senate seat in the state for the first time in 30 years. Though McSally held a lead in early vote totals, the tally flipped in Sinema's favor Thursday night. Updated early results Friday morning kept Sinema with a 9,000-plus advantage, but an estimated 400,000 ballots remained to be counted. "Just out — in Arizona, SIGNATURES DON'T MATCH," Trump posted on Twitter Friday afternoon. "Electoral corruption — Call for a new Election? We must protect our Democracy!"

Earlier, Trump told reporters it was "interesting" that the extended vote-counting "always seems to go the way of the Democrats. Now, in Arizona, all of a sudden, out of the wilderness, they find a lot of votes," Trump said. "And she's — the other candidate — is just winning by a hair." McSally, Sinema and their allies poured tens of millions of dollars into advertising to help lock down the seat. While Republicans maintained control of the Senate in this week's midterm elections, any seat picked up by a Democrat would eat into their narrow margin. On Friday morning, the Arizona Republican Party accused Maricopa County Recorder Adrian Fontes of "premeditated destruction of evidence" after "voting irregularities" in the election.

Local Republicans have brought a legal case against Fontes and other county recorders over the verification of signatures on some early ballots. Fontes has argued that verifying the signatures ensures all legitimate votes are counted. Republicans say the practice is inconsistent because other county recorders don't attempt to verify ballots with mismatched signatures beyond Election Day. The sides have a hearing in court at 2 p.m. Friday...

[Shofercia]

Both Nelson and Scott have filed lawsuits, Trump is crying. Just let all the votes be counted, can the GOP stop trying to suppress votes for once? They act like the Democrats are making up fake ballots. Jeez.

That is literally what Trump and Pals are claiming, that there are illegals voting.

At this point, when it comes to Florida, I wouldn't be surprised. How many elections has Florida fucked up in the 21st century alone? Gore v Bush anyone?

[Telconi]

The cradle of American liberty has gone the way of ol' Benedict Arnold...

Didn't you just have the discussion on why enforcing laws you find distasteful isn't oppressive?

It was less a discussion and more people expressing disagreeable opinions which I promptly disagreed with.

[Seangoli]

Both Nelson and Scott have filed lawsuits, Trump is crying. Just let all the votes be counted, can the GOP stop trying to suppress votes for once? They act like the Democrats are making up fake ballots. Jeez.

There is an air of legitimate criticism here through their bullshit. The provisional ballots found in a closet are, unfortunately, tainted with proper chain of custody. Whoever left those in the closet has a hell of a lot of explaining to do. There is also an air of incompetence surrounding Broward County with elections. They consistently seem to have no fucking clue what is going on during any given elections. They constantly have problems with everything they do, and it is well above and beyond what is acceptable.

None of this means that the ballots shouldn't be counted or that there is some malicious intent here; what it means is that there should be scrutiny placed on the ballots and, more importantly, on the elections officials in the county and some very, very serious questions raised as to what they are doing. Particularly to whoever was in charge of the polling station where the provisional ballots were stored in a closet and left.

That said, Rick Scott's suit today wasn't about not counting the votes, but instead about Snipes not providing various information on voting records required by law. Which she didn't, and now she must. Whether maliciously or by ineptitude, she has fucked up a lot in her tenure and honestly does no favors for anyone by being there.

That said, I highly doubt the courts will toss out the provisional ballots on file. And contrary to what Trump has said, new ballots weren't "found". Provisional ballots are not counted towards the final election tally until they can be verified. In Florida, Mail-in ballots without an exact match on signatures become provisional, and are not counted towards the tally immediately, and instead allowing those whom cast these provisional ballots five days to confirm their ballot and signature. And none of this can happen before election day, mind you. They, by law, cannot start counting mail-in ballots as they get them and must wait until election day to even open them. And if there are issues with the ballots, they become provisional. And any provisional ballot that is cast on election day isn't verified immediately either (As then it wouldn't be a fucking provisional ballot), and instead takes a couple days to verify whether the person whom cast the vote legally could or not.

This is where all these "new" ballots are coming from. They aren't appearing magically out of thin air. They are provisional ballots that are being verified, or need further verification, that by their nature could not have been included in the election day tally. The nimrods who think that these are necessarily magically appearing out of thin air have no clue how reality works.

[Corrian]

Oh joy, these close races are going to be an annoyance for a while aren't they?

[Seangoli]

That is literally what Trump and Pals are claiming, that there are illegals voting.

At this point, when it comes to Florida, I wouldn't be surprised. How many elections has Florida fucked up in the 21st century alone? Gore v Bush anyone?

Honestly, Florida is just a giant pile of pure incompetence with its elections. It is consistently awful to the point where it isn't even worth making fun of anymore. If there was ever a reason for nationalized election standards, Florida would be it.

[Seangoli]

Oh joy, these close races are going to be an annoyance for a while aren't they?

If, by the end of it all, Florida gets within .5%, there is an automatic electronic recall mandated by law. If it gets to .25%, there is a mandatory hand recount.

It's looking like we will at least get to the electronic recall part at this rate.

[Bienenhalde]

Fam people make fun of my state all the time. Sometimes in joking, sometimes in not. I make all sorts of jokes about my state, because I love my state. You never joke about Massachusetts? There’s probably tea you still need to fish out from the bottom of the harbor, after all.

Well yeah, there's a fuckload to joke about. Our weather's shit, we can't drive for shit, our proclivity for Dunkin Donuts is borderline psychotic, our taxes are pretty damn high, but we are not an repressive theocracy... unless one were to consider worship of the New England Patriots an actual religion.

Well Massachussetts used to be a Puritan theocracy, but that was over 200 years ago.

[Corrian]

At this point, when it comes to Florida, I wouldn't be surprised. How many elections has Florida fucked up in the 21st century alone? Gore v Bush anyone?

Honestly, Florida is just a giant pile of pure incompetence with its elections. It is consistently awful to the point where it isn't even worth making fun of anymore. If there was ever a reason for nationalized election standards, Florida would be it.

It's always close. It's ridiculous. I dream of the day Florida is decisive once.

Oh joy, these close races are going to be an annoyance for a while aren't they?

If, by the end of it all, Florida gets within .5%, there is an automatic electronic recall mandated by law. If it gets to .25%, there is a mandatory hand recount.

It's looking like we will at least get to the electronic recall part at this rate.

It's already that in the Senate race. The margin is 0.2%

[Seangoli]

It's always close. It's ridiculous. I dream of the day Florida is decisive once.

Florida's problems have nothing to do with being a true swing state. Florida's problems has to do with they can't run their elections properly. From terrible concepts for ballot design, to poorly implemented mail-in ballots, to just general dumbassery when it comes to polling places. I would chalk it up to election tampering if it weren't both politically parties doing it roughly 100% of the time, every election, with no real consistency behind it.

Florida just sucks at running elections across the board, and this is amplified because they are a swing state. In a State like Wyoming, where you can expect 95% of the population to vote Republican, this incompetence would go unnoticed. But because Florida is a state that actually matters, the incompetence comes from and center almost every damn time.

[Shofercia]

At this point, when it comes to Florida, I wouldn't be surprised. How many elections has Florida fucked up in the 21st century alone? Gore v Bush anyone?

Honestly, Florida is just a giant pile of pure incompetence with its elections. It is consistently awful to the point where it isn't even worth making fun of anymore. If there was ever a reason for nationalized election standards, Florida would be it.

Essentially it's like the Cleveland Browns, a Factory of Sadness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdZHqHzmna0

And blaming it on partisanship is like blaming Cleveland's losses on the offensive or defensive coordinator - they both suck.

[Kowani]

Isn’t it interesting, how Trump wants to stop counting in Florida, where the Republican is winning, and recount in Arizona, where the Republican is losing? Hmm...

[Valrifell]

Honestly, Florida is just a giant pile of pure incompetence with its elections. It is consistently awful to the point where it isn't even worth making fun of anymore. If there was ever a reason for nationalized election standards, Florida would be it.

Essentially it's like the Cleveland Browns, a Factory of Sadness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdZHqHzmna0

And blaming it on partisanship is like blaming Cleveland's losses on the offensive or defensive coordinator - they both suck.

We need to institute a federal election oversight committee staffed with only people i agree with to fix Florida's many messes.

[Mystic Warriors]

Friend: "there's alleged evidence of voter fraud in two states!"
Me: "let me guess, Florida and Arizona"
Him: "how'd you know?"
Me: "Florida's Florida, and Arizona's a race with stellar candidates and both parties playing dirty"

Seriously Florida. Just. Stop. Snipes fucked up in 2016, what the fuck is she still doing in office? And don't give me that bullshit about her doing it because she's a Democrat, Rick Scott should've taken steps to have her fired right after the 2016 bullshit.

Florida Sauce: https://www.yahoo.com/news/scott-prevai ... 57528.html

A Florida judge has ordered Broward County Board of Elections supervisor Brenda Snipes to turn over all records requested by Republican Senate candidate Rick Scott no later than 7 p.m. Friday. Scott filed suit against Broward County on Thursday, demanding that Snipes comply with public-records law by revealing the number of mail-in absentee ballots her office has received, as well as how many of those have been counted thus far.

Snipes, who has a history of running afoul of election law, has refused to disclose the number of mail-in absentee ballots her office has received, choosing instead to gradually report vote counts over the three days since the election. In that time, Scott’s initial lead over Democratic incumbent senator Bill Nelson has narrowed from more than 50,000 votes to just over 15,000. Snipes’s attorneys told the judge during Friday’s emergency court hearing that their client would gladly release all records once the counting process concluded, and argued that forcing her to do so immediately would interfere with her ability to finalize the count in a timely manner.

Snipes’s lack of transparency regarding the vote count has led a number of prominent Republicans, including Senator Marco Rubio of Florida and President Trump, to suggest that Democrats are resorting to fraud to overturn Scott’s victory. Critics of the Broward vote-count operation have cited Snipes’s record of engaging in dubious, and occasionally illegal, conduct at her job. A judge ruled in 2016 that Snipes violated Florida election law by prematurely destroying mail-in ballots that would have otherwise been examined as part of a lawsuit against her office. Snipes was again found guilty of violating election law in February, when a Florida judge found that she prematurely opened a number of mail-in absentee ballots. Scott indicated Thursday that he was calling for an investigation into the Broward County Board of Elections, but the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told National Review on Friday that the governor has not formally ordered an investigation.

Arizona sauce: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/po ... 942637002/

President Donald Trump and Republicans in Arizona and nationally are stoking claims of deliberate election fraud in the state's U.S. Senate race as Martha McSally and Kyrsten Sinema await results of a vote that could swing in either's favor. The tight race has left Republicans in jeopardy of losing a Senate seat in the state for the first time in 30 years. Though McSally held a lead in early vote totals, the tally flipped in Sinema's favor Thursday night. Updated early results Friday morning kept Sinema with a 9,000-plus advantage, but an estimated 400,000 ballots remained to be counted. "Just out — in Arizona, SIGNATURES DON'T MATCH," Trump posted on Twitter Friday afternoon. "Electoral corruption — Call for a new Election? We must protect our Democracy!"

Earlier, Trump told reporters it was "interesting" that the extended vote-counting "always seems to go the way of the Democrats. Now, in Arizona, all of a sudden, out of the wilderness, they find a lot of votes," Trump said. "And she's — the other candidate — is just winning by a hair." McSally, Sinema and their allies poured tens of millions of dollars into advertising to help lock down the seat. While Republicans maintained control of the Senate in this week's midterm elections, any seat picked up by a Democrat would eat into their narrow margin. On Friday morning, the Arizona Republican Party accused Maricopa County Recorder Adrian Fontes of "premeditated destruction of evidence" after "voting irregularities" in the election.

Local Republicans have brought a legal case against Fontes and other county recorders over the verification of signatures on some early ballots. Fontes has argued that verifying the signatures ensures all legitimate votes are counted. Republicans say the practice is inconsistent because other county recorders don't attempt to verify ballots with mismatched signatures beyond Election Day. The sides have a hearing in court at 2 p.m. Friday...

Those votes weren't found out of the wilderness, they were always there. The GOP is just playing games. What about Georgia were the GOP threw away thousands of votes? This reeks of rampant voter fraud. The UN needs to come in and protect our elections from the GOP.

[Telconi]

Friend: "there's alleged evidence of voter fraud in two states!"
Me: "let me guess, Florida and Arizona"
Him: "how'd you know?"
Me: "Florida's Florida, and Arizona's a race with stellar candidates and both parties playing dirty"

Seriously Florida. Just. Stop. Snipes fucked up in 2016, what the fuck is she still doing in office? And don't give me that bullshit about her doing it because she's a Democrat, Rick Scott should've taken steps to have her fired right after the 2016 bullshit.

Florida Sauce: https://www.yahoo.com/news/scott-prevai ... 57528.html



Arizona sauce: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/po ... 942637002/

Those votes weren't found out of the wilderness, they were always there. The GOP is just playing games. What about Georgia were the GOP threw away thousands of votes? This reeks of rampant voter fraud. The UN needs to come in and protect our elections from the GOP.

Why don't you like blue helmets?