US Midterm Elections Megathread III: Hitting The Wall

[Conserative Morality]

Then tell me what the solution is. Do like India did, perhaps?

Maintain the Senate as a smaller body of longer-serving staggered-term congresscritters apportioned to each state as a whole according to their relative populations, as opposed to the shorter-serving simultanously elected representatives who come from individual districts within states. Obviously the Senate will need to be expanded for this to occur, but considering that we're already one of the least-representative legislatures in the modern world, I won't shed too many tears.

Otherwise, we wouldn't have states with legal marijuana or the choice to be right-to-work.

The latter is minor, the former is of dubious legality even within our current system.

[Tarsonis]

Why should LA and NYC get to dictate nationwide policy?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Then tell me what the solution is. Do like India did, perhaps?

Maintain the Senate as a smaller body of longer-serving staggered-term congresscritters apportioned to each state as a whole according to their relative populations, as opposed to the shorter-serving simultanously elected representatives who come from individual districts within states. Obviously the Senate will need to be expanded for this to occur, but considering that we're already one of the least-representative legislatures in the modern world, I won't shed too many tears.

Otherwise, we wouldn't have states with legal marijuana or the choice to be right-to-work.

The latter is minor, the former is of dubious legality even within our current system.

So abolish the senate and just keep the house of representatives?

Cause that's essentially what the House of Representatives is.

[Len Hyet]

The latter is minor, the former is of dubious legality even within our current system.

I agree, the Federal Government should not have been granted the authority to exercise nation-wide drug policy.

[Conserative Morality]

Why should LA and NYC get to dictate nationwide policy?

They shouldn't. Good thing I am not recommending rule by city-state.

[Shrillland]

Then tell me what the solution is. Do like India did, perhaps?

Maintain the Senate as a smaller body of longer-serving staggered-term congresscritters apportioned to each state as a whole according to their relative populations, as opposed to the shorter-serving simultanously elected representatives who come from individual districts within states. Obviously the Senate will need to be expanded for this to occur, but considering that we're already one of the least-representative legislatures in the modern world, I won't shed too many tears.

Otherwise, we wouldn't have states with legal marijuana or the choice to be right-to-work.

The latter is minor, the former is of dubious legality even within our current system.

So yes, what India did with the Rajya Sabha. Its makeup is more or less what you're suggesting. Nonetheless, that runs contrary to one of the founding tenets of our country, that all of the states should be equal regardless of size.

[Conserative Morality]

Maintain the Senate as a smaller body of longer-serving staggered-term congresscritters apportioned to each state as a whole according to their relative populations, as opposed to the shorter-serving simultanously elected representatives who come from individual districts within states. Obviously the Senate will need to be expanded for this to occur, but considering that we're already one of the least-representative legislatures in the modern world, I won't shed too many tears.

The latter is minor, the former is of dubious legality even within our current system.

So abolish the senate and just keep the house of representatives?

Cause that's essentially what the House of Representatives is.

I explicitly laid out the difference in the line you underlined.

[Tarsonis]

Then tell me what the solution is. Do like India did, perhaps?

Maintain the Senate as a smaller body of longer-serving staggered-term congresscritters apportioned to each state as a whole according to their relative populations, as opposed to the shorter-serving simultanously elected representatives who come from individual districts within states. Obviously the Senate will need to be expanded for this to occur, but considering that we're already one of the least-representative legislatures in the modern world, I won't shed too many tears.

So LA and NYC get to dictate policy to the rest of the country.

Otherwise, we wouldn't have states with legal marijuana or the choice to be right-to-work.

The latter is minor, the former is of dubious legality even within our current system.

Side stepping the point. Cute

[Uiiop]

Why should LA and NYC get to dictate nationwide policy?

They shouldn't. Good thing I am not recommending rule by city-state.

LA and NYC, other places that agree with them, they're practically the same thing. /s

[Conserative Morality]

I agree, the Federal Government should not have been granted the authority to exercise nation-wide drug policy.

I disagree. FDA a best.

[Shrillland]

Maintain the Senate as a smaller body of longer-serving staggered-term congresscritters apportioned to each state as a whole according to their relative populations, as opposed to the shorter-serving simultanously elected representatives who come from individual districts within states. Obviously the Senate will need to be expanded for this to occur, but considering that we're already one of the least-representative legislatures in the modern world, I won't shed too many tears.

The latter is minor, the former is of dubious legality even within our current system.

So abolish the senate and just keep the house of representatives?

Cause that's essentially what the House of Representatives is.

Here's effectively what CM is proposing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajya_Sabha

[Senkaku]

Senate Races: 35

Democratic Votes: 46.6 million - 57.9% - 20.3 seats (irl 21 seats) (+2 ind. that vote Democratic)

Republican Votes: 33.9 million - 42.1% - 14.7 seats (irl 11 seats)

Clearly, Republicans have been cheated out of a few national senator seats.

release the tricameral legislature

Good, so I can count you as a supporter of Senate reform now?

What reform's needed? Seriously, are we going to cast aside the very concept of federalism and become a unitary state?

Why should LA and NYC get to dictate nationwide policy?

This tired old meme again?

[Conserative Morality]

So yes, what India did with the Rajya Sabha. Its makeup is more or less what you're suggesting. Nonetheless, that runs contrary to one of the founding tenets of our country, that all of the states should be equal regardless of size.

Times have changed. One of the founding tenets of our country was also "Poor people shouldn't vote" and "Slavery is okay".

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So abolish the senate and just keep the house of representatives?

Cause that's essentially what the House of Representatives is.

I explicitly laid out the difference in the line you underlined.

So a modified house of representatives.

There is exactly no difference between the house of representatives, which is partitioned among the states according to their relative populations, and a senate the likes you propose: partitioned between the states according to their relative populations.

[Len Hyet]

I agree, the Federal Government should not have been granted the authority to exercise nation-wide drug policy.

I disagree. FDA a best.

The FDA is a slow inefficient bloated probably corrupt governmental bureaucracy. But I repeat myself.

[Reikoku]

Why should LA and NYC get to dictate nationwide policy?

They shouldn't. Good thing I am not recommending rule by city-state.

Though NYC becoming the new Athens would be cool.

[Senkaku]

Maintain the Senate as a smaller body of longer-serving staggered-term congresscritters apportioned to each state as a whole according to their relative populations, as opposed to the shorter-serving simultanously elected representatives who come from individual districts within states. Obviously the Senate will need to be expanded for this to occur, but considering that we're already one of the least-representative legislatures in the modern world, I won't shed too many tears.

So LA and NYC get to dictate policy to the rest of the country.

I believe CM is suggesting that the American people be adequately and accurately represented. If LA and NYC held a majority of the American people, then I suppose your silly fearmongering might have some sort of basis, but they don't.

[Conserative Morality]

So a modified house of representatives.

There is exactly no difference between the house of representatives, which is partitioned among the states according to their relative populations, and a senate the likes you propose: partitioned between the states according to their relative populations.

There is exactly no difference between the house of representatives, which is elected by the voting population directly, and a senate the likes that is proposed: elected by the voting population directly.

t. an opponent of the 17th amendment

See? I can ignore literally everything else to make retarded comparisons as well.

[Shrillland]

So yes, what India did with the Rajya Sabha. Its makeup is more or less what you're suggesting. Nonetheless, that runs contrary to one of the founding tenets of our country, that all of the states should be equal regardless of size.

Times have changed. One of the founding tenets of our country was also "Poor people shouldn't vote" and "Slavery is okay".

I agree that times have changed, I just don't agree that they've changed so fundamentally that we should steadily begin dismantling the institution of the states as intended.

[Senkaku]

I explicitly laid out the difference in the line you underlined.

So a modified house of representatives.

There is exactly no difference between the house of representatives, which is partitioned among the states according to their relative populations, and a senate the likes you propose: partitioned between the states according to their relative populations.

Not really true, single-member districts operating with FPTP produce a rather different result than STV or any number of other possible ideas.

[Senkaku]

Maintain the Senate as a smaller body of longer-serving staggered-term congresscritters apportioned to each state as a whole according to their relative populations, as opposed to the shorter-serving simultanously elected representatives who come from individual districts within states. Obviously the Senate will need to be expanded for this to occur, but considering that we're already one of the least-representative legislatures in the modern world, I won't shed too many tears.

The latter is minor, the former is of dubious legality even within our current system.

So yes, what India did with the Rajya Sabha. Its makeup is more or less what you're suggesting. Nonetheless, that runs contrary to one of the founding tenets of our country, that all of the states should be equal regardless of size.

TRICAMERAL GANG

[Senkaku]

They shouldn't. Good thing I am not recommending rule by city-state.

Though NYC becoming the new Athens would be cool.

nyc can't even keep the fucking subway running, I'm pretty sure it can't subjugate America

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Sinema has taken the lead in Arizona.

[Shrillland]

So yes, what India did with the Rajya Sabha. Its makeup is more or less what you're suggesting. Nonetheless, that runs contrary to one of the founding tenets of our country, that all of the states should be equal regardless of size.

TRICAMERAL GANG

Why tricameral? What would the third house's use be?

[Tarsonis]

Why should LA and NYC get to dictate nationwide policy?

They shouldn't. Good thing I am not recommending rule by city-state.

You really are. CA and NY are two of three most populace states of the union and the politics are pretty much dominated by their major cities. Many people Buffalo and rural favor cutting NYC out if Nay stars because they dominate the state politics. What you propose is exactly that. The populous states will dominate politics while the less populous states will be dictated to, even though cultures and needs are different.