US Midterm Elections Megathread III: Hitting The Wall

[Liriena]

IIRC, didn't Obama actually issue fewer executive orders than his predecessors?

Either way, though... fuck Obama. What else have you got to deflect with?

He did but he issued more controversial EOs. Line the one where he could drone Americans without due process

Man, we gave him too much of a free pass on that shit. :/

[Blackledge]

Beto losing. The Dems only picking up 20-something seats. The Republicans not losing more gubernatorial elections.

Am I the only one who fully expected O'Rourke to lose? I recall a lot of certainty in that outcome in this very thread.

I honestly did expect it, but I was still shocked.

[Valrifell]

Here's a thought, maybe Democrats should do a better job at attracting rural voters.

Why? A suburban and urban coalition (which is what they're trying to build) would easily overwhelm any rural coalition.

[Napkiraly]

He did but he issued more controversial EOs. Line the one where he could drone Americans without due process

Man, we gave him too much of a free pass on that shit. :/

Yes.

[Thermodolia]

*Grumbles about shitty election systems*

We should have an election system like Canada. They do something amazing they make sure everyone who wants to vote is able too. and all elections are overseen by a independent commission.

You mean keep the piece of shit that is FPTP? Fuck no.

I want my open party list proportional representation in the house and STV in the senate.

[Valrifell]

Am I the only one who fully expected O'Rourke to lose? I recall a lot of certainty in that outcome in this very thread.

I honestly did expect it, but I was still shocked.

I'm shocked he held on for as long as he did.

[San Lumen]

Here's a thought, maybe Democrats should do a better job at attracting rural voters.

By doing what? There were fantastic candidates and they still voted against them. I bet in some places Christ himself could be nominated as Democrat and he still wouldn't win

[Valrifell]

We should have an election system like Canada. They do something amazing they make sure everyone who wants to vote is able too. and all elections are overseen by a independent commission.

You mean keep the piece of shit that is FPTP? Fuck no.

I want my open party list proportional representation in the house and STV in the senate.

Yes.

[Liriena]

You mean keep the piece of shit that is FPTP? Fuck no.

I want my open party list proportional representation in the house and STV in the senate.

Yes.

Hell yeah

[Blackledge]

Here's a thought, maybe Democrats should do a better job at attracting rural voters.

There are some in the Democratic Party more obsessed with lampooning, disparaging or otherwise demeaning rural and/or white voters than paying attention to them. They seem to be the ones who interpret supporting non-white Americans with regards to legal, educational and employment issues as being some sort of carte blanche to talk about and blame white Americans in the same manner neo-Nazis do with Jews.

[Napkiraly]

Here's a thought, maybe Democrats should do a better job at attracting rural voters.

Why? A suburban and urban coalition (which is what they're trying to build) would easily overwhelm any rural coalition.

That will win you the HoR but not the Senate and the Presidency would still be up in the air. Not to mention that rural communities are still part of the country and deserve to have their voices heard and needs looked after. Unless you truly just want the Democrats to be a party of urbanistas and damn everyone else.

[Thermodolia]

Pelosi is against it, apparently, so it ain't likely.

Then again, it looks like some Democratic voters are tired of Pelosi herself, so...

Not the eighty something percent of her district who voted for her evidently.

Apparently several of the democrats who won in red states campaigned on the idea that they would vote against Pelosi as speaker

[Napkiraly]

Here's a thought, maybe Democrats should do a better job at attracting rural voters.

By doing what? There were fantastic candidates and they still voted against them. I bet in some places Christ himself could be nominated as Democrat and he still wouldn't win

Fantastic candidates overshadowed by the national party and the behavior of urban supporters.

[Blackledge]

Here's a thought, maybe Democrats should do a better job at attracting rural voters.

Why?

Why not? The Democrats can and should be able to represent their interests too.

[Valrifell]

Why? A suburban and urban coalition (which is what they're trying to build) would easily overwhelm any rural coalition.

That will win you the HoR but not the Senate and the Presidency would still be up in the air. Not to mention that rural communities are still part of the country and deserve to have their voices heard and needs looked after. Unless you truly just want the Democrats to be a party of urbanistas and damn everyone else.

It's extremely naive that you think both parties would and even should try to represent everyone. They each have their own coalitions and are going to stick with that.

[Napkiraly]

Not the eighty something percent of her district who voted for her evidently.

Apparently several of the democrats who won in red states campaigned on the idea that they would vote against Pelosi as speaker

Valid. Would probably have voted for someone just for that.

[Thermodolia]

Don’t you mean your interests?

everyone who I wanted to win won. I did vote my interests. Plus Dan Donavan who represented Staten Island in Congress was defeated by Max Rose. I must say I didn't expect that at all. I thought the Island was a lost cause. It seems I was wrong.

No I’m saying that the people in the rural areas are voting for their interests, those interests however just happen to not line up with what you want

[Post War America]

Why? A suburban and urban coalition (which is what they're trying to build) would easily overwhelm any rural coalition.

That will win you the HoR but not the Senate and the Presidency would still be up in the air. Not to mention that rural communities are still part of the country and deserve to have their voices heard and needs looked after. Unless you truly just want the Democrats to be a party of urbanistas and damn everyone else.

I mean, rural voters do seem hellbent on making life impossible for anyone in a city.

[Liriena]

Not the eighty something percent of her district who voted for her evidently.

Apparently several of the democrats who won in red states campaigned on the idea that they would vote against Pelosi as speaker

Exactly.

Pelosi and Schumer win their individual elections with ease, but they are far from inspiring leaders and Pelosi's victory speech last night rubbed a lot of left-wing voters the wrong way.

[Napkiraly]

That will win you the HoR but not the Senate and the Presidency would still be up in the air. Not to mention that rural communities are still part of the country and deserve to have their voices heard and needs looked after. Unless you truly just want the Democrats to be a party of urbanistas and damn everyone else.

It's extremely naive that you think both parties would and even should try to represent everyone. They each have their own coalitions and are going to stick with that.

I didn't say they should represent everyone lmao. They don't even represent all urban and suburban voters.

[San Lumen]

Why? A suburban and urban coalition (which is what they're trying to build) would easily overwhelm any rural coalition.

That will win you the HoR but not the Senate and the Presidency would still be up in the air. Not to mention that rural communities are still part of the country and deserve to have their voices heard and needs looked after. Unless you truly just want the Democrats to be a party of urbanistas and damn everyone else.

In the long haul a party that is collapsing in urban areas will not win you the Senate or the presidency. its unsustainable. Not to mention demographics are not on their side either.

[Napkiraly]

That will win you the HoR but not the Senate and the Presidency would still be up in the air. Not to mention that rural communities are still part of the country and deserve to have their voices heard and needs looked after. Unless you truly just want the Democrats to be a party of urbanistas and damn everyone else.

I mean, rural voters do seem hellbent on making life impossible for anyone in a city.

The sentiment is mutual.

[Blackledge]

That will win you the HoR but not the Senate and the Presidency would still be up in the air. Not to mention that rural communities are still part of the country and deserve to have their voices heard and needs looked after. Unless you truly just want the Democrats to be a party of urbanistas and damn everyone else.

It's extremely naive that you think both parties would and even should try to represent everyone. They each have their own coalitions and are going to stick with that.

Obama took 45% of the rural vote nationwide in 2008. It's not naive.

[Thermodolia]

Here's a thought, maybe Democrats should do a better job at attracting rural voters.

Why? A suburban and urban coalition (which is what they're trying to build) would easily overwhelm any rural coalition.

Well that’s not working in Georgia, Florida, or Texas. So say good by to those states

[San Lumen]

That will win you the HoR but not the Senate and the Presidency would still be up in the air. Not to mention that rural communities are still part of the country and deserve to have their voices heard and needs looked after. Unless you truly just want the Democrats to be a party of urbanistas and damn everyone else.

I mean, rural voters do seem hellbent on making life impossible for anyone in a city.

It sure seems that way. Florida could have had a amazing governor but they voted for a racist with no real plan.