Trump threatens to Nullify the 14th Amendment

[Geneviev]

I feel like we've drifted from the actual thread topic somewhat.

Trump can't nullify the 14th Amendment, and he knows it. He just thinks lying will get him some votes.

He probably will. It's not lying. He knows that people want him to take away my citizenship and he will.

[Ifreann]

Trump can't nullify the 14th Amendment, and he knows it. He just thinks lying will get him some votes.

He probably will. It's not lying. He knows that people want him to take away my citizenship and he will.

He is lying. He can't do away with jus soli with an executive order, and nobody even told him he could.

[Geneviev]

He probably will. It's not lying. He knows that people want him to take away my citizenship and he will.

He is lying. He can't do away with jus soli with an executive order, and nobody even told him he could.

He will eventually give up on the executive order, but he'll find a way to do it differently.

[Ifreann]

He is lying. He can't do away with jus soli with an executive order, and nobody even told him he could.

He will eventually give up on the executive order, but he'll find a way to do it differently.

He'll try, I'm sure, but I doubt he'll do it.

[Thermodolia]

He is lying. He can't do away with jus soli with an executive order, and nobody even told him he could.

He will eventually give up on the executive order, but he'll find a way to do it differently.

He can’t. Trump is a bag of hot air 90% of the time. The wall is a definite example of this

[Frievolk]

He will eventually give up on the executive order, but he'll find a way to do it differently.

He can’t. Trump is a bag of hot air 90% of the time. The wall is a definite example of this

Yeah, but he'll try and try and try and be loud about his trying. He can't wear us out, but it won't make it any less annoying.

[Petrasylvania]

He can’t. Trump is a bag of hot air 90% of the time. The wall is a definite example of this

Yeah, but he'll try and try and try and be loud about his trying. He can't wear us out, but it won't make it any less annoying.

And like all other con artists, Donnie will have marks clinging to him out of sunk costs.

[Caindom]

If I'm born in California when my parents are here for work and they're not US citizens I'm an American and that shouldn't change.

It absolutely should. Abuse of the system.

There is another option- allow the baby to become a citizen. Nothing says the parents would be expected to stay. I wonder how many people would still cross a border illegally to give their child a "better life" if they're not allowed to stay with the child?

To be clear, I'm just playing devils advocate, though to be honest I agree that 1. Trump isn't going to be able to do this by executive order. 2. He knew that going in. 3. When he made the suggestion his hope was that it would be on the lips of the whole country, and finally 4. When all the dust settles, its no longer a subject that can be ignored and HAS to be addressed in the most politically way possible.

IF congress and the house don't fall into the line of the constituents of their districts they lose a seat, and lets face it, the democratic party has been a ton more damaging to their party and message as of late (IE since Trumps taken office) that they've really started eating itself from the inside, to the point now that the majority of middle of the road Americans See them as deconstructionists at this point. I think what you'll see is really a major blow to the democratic party this election season simply because they have NO message at the moment except trumps the devil and everything hes doing is bad for the country. Which would work if....

The unemployment rate wasn't so low. The economy wasn't so strong, that the Trade deals that were supposed to bankrupt the country hasn't, the deal with NATO that was supposed to isolate us from the world actually gave relief to the tax payer, etc, etc,etc. Now, you can tell me how this was all Obama's doing, but it doesn't change the reality. The economy, the private sector is booming under THIS president.

The problem with pointing out how one particular person is ruining the country really needs to pay better attention to politics in general. While you people go back and forth tearing each other down because of political party lines the reality is, those same people who you believe hate each other, sup together, drink together, protect each other and at the end of the day protect the lives they've built on your backs.

Most Trump supporters are NOT racists. Most democrats AREN'T Communists or Socialists. Most Americans could care less about what happens outside of their neighborhoods- But the news would tell you otherwise. I'm just here to tell you its by design.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

It absolutely should. Abuse of the system.

There is another option- allow the baby to become a citizen. Nothing says the parents would be expected to stay. I wonder how many people would still cross a border illegally to give their child a "better life" if they're not allowed to stay with the child?

To be clear, I'm just playing devils advocate, though to be honest I agree that 1. Trump isn't going to be able to do this by executive order. 2. He knew that going in. 3. When he made the suggestion his hope was that it would be on the lips of the whole country, and finally 4. When all the dust settles, its no longer a subject that can be ignored and HAS to be addressed in the most politically way possible.

IF congress and the house don't fall into the line of the constituents of their districts they lose a seat, and lets face it, the democratic party has been a ton more damaging to their party and message as of late (IE since Trumps taken office) that they've really started eating itself from the inside, to the point now that the majority of middle of the road Americans See them as deconstructionists at this point. I think what you'll see is really a major blow to the democratic party this election season simply because they have NO message at the moment except trumps the devil and everything hes doing is bad for the country. Which would work if....

The unemployment rate wasn't so low. The economy wasn't so strong, that the Trade deals that were supposed to bankrupt the country hasn't, the deal with NATO that was supposed to isolate us from the world actually gave relief to the tax payer, etc, etc,etc. Now, you can tell me how this was all Obama's doing, but it doesn't change the reality. The economy, the private sector is booming under THIS president.

The problem with pointing out how one particular person is ruining the country really needs to pay better attention to politics in general. While you people go back and forth tearing each other down because of political party lines the reality is, those same people who you believe hate each other, sup together, drink together, protect each other and at the end of the day protect the lives they've built on your backs.

Most Trump supporters are NOT racists. Most democrats AREN'T Communists or Socialists. Most Americans could care less about what happens outside of their neighborhoods- But the news would tell you otherwise. I'm just here to tell you its by design.

You can’t send a child parents back without the child, that would be a violation of the right to private life.

[Trumptonium1]

There is another option- allow the baby to become a citizen. Nothing says the parents would be expected to stay. I wonder how many people would still cross a border illegally to give their child a "better life" if they're not allowed to stay with the child?

To be clear, I'm just playing devils advocate, though to be honest I agree that 1. Trump isn't going to be able to do this by executive order. 2. He knew that going in. 3. When he made the suggestion his hope was that it would be on the lips of the whole country, and finally 4. When all the dust settles, its no longer a subject that can be ignored and HAS to be addressed in the most politically way possible.

IF congress and the house don't fall into the line of the constituents of their districts they lose a seat, and lets face it, the democratic party has been a ton more damaging to their party and message as of late (IE since Trumps taken office) that they've really started eating itself from the inside, to the point now that the majority of middle of the road Americans See them as deconstructionists at this point. I think what you'll see is really a major blow to the democratic party this election season simply because they have NO message at the moment except trumps the devil and everything hes doing is bad for the country. Which would work if....

The unemployment rate wasn't so low. The economy wasn't so strong, that the Trade deals that were supposed to bankrupt the country hasn't, the deal with NATO that was supposed to isolate us from the world actually gave relief to the tax payer, etc, etc,etc. Now, you can tell me how this was all Obama's doing, but it doesn't change the reality. The economy, the private sector is booming under THIS president.

The problem with pointing out how one particular person is ruining the country really needs to pay better attention to politics in general. While you people go back and forth tearing each other down because of political party lines the reality is, those same people who you believe hate each other, sup together, drink together, protect each other and at the end of the day protect the lives they've built on your backs.

Most Trump supporters are NOT racists. Most democrats AREN'T Communists or Socialists. Most Americans could care less about what happens outside of their neighborhoods- But the news would tell you otherwise. I'm just here to tell you its by design.

You can’t send a child parents back without the child, that would be a violation of the right to private life.

Exactly. Send them all back.

[Petrasylvania]

You can’t send a child parents back without the child, that would be a violation of the right to private life.

Exactly. Send them all back.

You're Pole, and given the post-Brexit East Eurohate in the UK it would have been ironic if you were sent back using the same logic you're applying to the caravan don't you think?

[Trumptonium1]

Exactly. Send them all back.

You're Pole, and given the post-Brexit East Eurohate in the UK it would have been ironic if you were sent back using the same logic you're applying to the caravan don't you think?

> not illegal
> came before fatherland entered EU
> british citizen
> in the RAF uas

nope

your poor attempt of gotcha has been noted

[Internationalist Bastard]

You're Pole, and given the post-Brexit East Eurohate in the UK it would have been ironic if you were sent back using the same logic you're applying to the caravan don't you think?

> not illegal
> came before fatherland entered EU
> british citizen
> in the RAF uas

nope

I too am legal, an American citizen, and served in the military
And yet I’ve been told I need to be deported for being born inconvently

[Marginal Territory]

This isn't the first time he's tried to go outside of the constitution and hoped that enough people within the government will back him to steer us off the course of being a de facto constitutional republic to being a de jure constitutional republic with de facto strongman rule. Remember how shit went down with his Muslim ban?

[Southern States 2]

He can't take it away with an executive order, it's part of the constitution

[The Black Forrest]

He probably will. It's not lying. He knows that people want him to take away my citizenship and he will.

He is lying. He can't do away with jus soli with an executive order, and nobody even told him he could.

Exactly. This is all a show for his base.

[Trumptonium1]

> not illegal
> came before fatherland entered EU
> british citizen
> in the RAF uas

nope

I too am legal, an American citizen, and served in the military
And yet I’ve been told I need to be deported for being born inconvently

i'm not sure if you're insinuating i am personally answerable for the wide range of views of people on the right, or if you deliberately are misconstruing what I said, but if you read what I said (or what anybody else said) nobody mentioned deporting american citizens.

illegals yes. if they have a child, i'd say let the child make a decision to stay or go together. if there's a judicial issue, then the court can rule on it again without ginsburg this time.

[San Lumen]

You're Pole, and given the post-Brexit East Eurohate in the UK it would have been ironic if you were sent back using the same logic you're applying to the caravan don't you think?

> not illegal
> came before fatherland entered EU
> british citizen
> in the RAF uas

nope

your poor attempt of gotcha has been noted

A friend of mine was born here after his parents immigrated from Haiti. They were legal residents at the time he was born. Should he not be a citizen according to you?

I gather you think we should also deport Dreamers back to countries they have never known? They don't speak the language and dont know any of the customs.

[San Lumen]

I too am legal, an American citizen, and served in the military
And yet I’ve been told I need to be deported for being born inconvently

i'm not sure if you're insinuating i am personally answerable for the wide range of views of people on the right, or if you deliberately are misconstruing what I said, but if you read what I said (or what anybody else said) nobody mentioned deporting american citizens.

illegals yes. if they have a child, i'd say let the child make a decision to stay or go together. if there's a judicial issue, then the court can rule on it again without ginsburg this time.

A child cannot make a decision to stay behind.

[Trumptonium1]

> not illegal
> came before fatherland entered EU
> british citizen
> in the RAF uas

nope

your poor attempt of gotcha has been noted

A friend of mine was born here after his parents immigrated from Haiti. They were legal residents at the time he was born. Should he not be a citizen according to you?

he should not be a citizen but there's no reason to question their legality of remaining in the country or conflate it with deportation. legal =/= illegal

he should be able to apply for citizenship along with his parents yah

I gather you think we should also deport Dreamers back to countries they have never known? They don't speak the language and dont know any of the customs.

yeah

deportation is not a big deal, over 30 million people were deported around europe between 1945 to 1948.

[San Lumen]

A friend of mine was born here after his parents immigrated from Haiti. They were legal residents at the time he was born. Should he not be a citizen according to you?

he should not be a citizen but there's no reason to question their legality of remaining in the country or conflate it with deportation. legal =/= illegal

he should be able to apply for citizenship along with his parents yah

I gather you think we should also deport Dreamers back to countries they have never known? They don't speak the language and dont know any of the customs.

yeah

deportation is not a big deal, over 30 million people were deported around europe between 1945 to 1948.

Why should he have to apply when he was born here?

And your talking about deporting people back to countries they have never known. They dont speak the language, have no family connections, no job prospects, and know nothing about the culture. That is simply cruel.

[The Black Forrest]

Why does this continue? It's not going to happen and people's "views" on who should remain are irrelevant as this is an election stunt.

[Trumptonium1]

he should not be a citizen but there's no reason to question their legality of remaining in the country or conflate it with deportation. legal =/= illegal

he should be able to apply for citizenship along with his parents yah



yeah

deportation is not a big deal, over 30 million people were deported around europe between 1945 to 1948.

Why should he have to apply when he was born here?

because there's no way to guarantee he's an assimilated person without having him apply.

And your talking about deporting people back to countries they have never known. They dont speak the language,

lol yeah all those mythical illegal immigrants from central america with english as their native language

have no family connections,

..so? do they have any in the US? presumably they didn't spring out of a dead family tree...

no job prospects

most of the sender countries have free public education.

know nothing about the culture.

those vietnamese immigrants you love to quote in buffalo - how many of them knew and were confident swimming in american culture? or is that different for some reason?

4 million germans were deported from the volga region in russia to west germany - do you think any of them knew about german culture? and well lookie here, they performed well once they went to germany.

That is simply cruel.

only if your general life threshold for pain is a papercut

[San Lumen]

Why should he have to apply when he was born here?

because there's no way to guarantee he's an assimilated person without having him apply.

And your talking about deporting people back to countries they have never known. They dont speak the language,

lol yeah all those mythical illegal immigrants from central america with english as their native language

have no family connections,

..so? do they have any in the US? presumably they didn't spring out of a dead family tree...

no job prospects

most of the sender countries have free public education.

know nothing about the culture.

those vietnamese immigrants you love to quote in buffalo - how many of them knew and were confident swimming in american culture? or is that different for some reason?

4 million germans were deported from the volga region in russia to west germany - do you think any of them knew about german culture? and well lookie here, they performed well once they went to germany.

That is simply cruel.

only if your general life threshold for pain is a papercut

He has lived in the US his entire life. That's not assimilated enough for you?

There are not Vietnamese they are from Burma. Big difference

No matter how you try and spin it, its not moral to deport someone to a country they have never known.

[Trumptonium1]

He has lived in the US his entire life. That's not assimilated enough for you?

so you think that all those belgian islamic terrorists who were born there were assimilated simply by virtue of having been born there?

nice

to put an analogy on your expectations - it's like having a fitness test where the threshold for passing is walking up a flight of stairs.

There are not Vietnamese they are from Burma. Big difference

little difference to the actual point made, good deflection. if you want to be pedantic it's Myanmar by the way.

No matter how you try and spin it, its not moral to deport someone to a country they have never known.

how immoral do you think the US is for mandating the deportation of 2.5 million Japanese people from Manchuria and Korea to Japan, many of whom were born there since being conquered 30 years before WW2 began? do you think you live in the devil's country for all the crimes against morality is has committed?