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The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Shrive wrote:> she didn't say "all black people look alike", you haven't provided any context here
> "I'm glad the racist lost the election" lol no he didn't
> Hillary is not hanging out with KKK members, but Trump refused to denounce white supremacists/supremacy and actively took an endorsement from the KKK leader

I'm no fan of her policies (way too far right for me) but this is a stretch, even for trump supporters

When did he refuse to denounce white supremacy? When did he actively accept or acknowledge endorsement from the KKK leader?

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That's okay. The conservatives will dredge her back up in a hope to make her relevant again... for some reason. (Make Hillary Relevant Again?) Just wish people would stop talking about her. I get it, she lost. I honestly don't remember this much shit going on about Clinton after 2008 or Kerry after 2004.

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That's okay. The conservatives will dredge her back up in a hope to make her relevant again... for some reason. (Make Hillary Relevant Again?) Just wish people would stop talking about her. I get it, she lost. I honestly don't remember this much shit going on about Clinton after 2008 or Kerry after 2004.

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Postby The Great-German Empire » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:13 pm

Kowani wrote:"There are very fine people on both sides..."


So just because Trump insists that there are good people among right-winged protesters means that he's denying the existence and harmfulness of white supremacy?
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Postby Ammaroth » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:16 pm

The Great-German Empire wrote:So just because Trump insists that there are good people among right-winged protesters means that he's denying the existence and harmfulness of white supremacy?


They weren't just typical right-wing protesters though, they WERE white supremacists. White supremacists that killed someone remember. To say there are good people amongst that lot? Yeah you're pretty condoning their ideology right there. Like saying there were good Nazis.
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Postby Mexican Liberation » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:17 pm

The Great-German Empire wrote:
Kowani wrote:"There are very fine people on both sides..."


So just because Trump insists that there are good people among right-winged protesters means that he's denying the existence and harmfulness of white supremacy?


He once told his white-supremacist supporters to stop inciting violence, but it was heat of the moment when reporters kept goading him on it.

His administration recently released a statement condemning political violence, but prior to that, he had never mentioned anything at all about right-wing extremists, despite rising tensions and the growing number of threats.

Pretty sure we can chalk that up as silent compliance.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:18 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:When did he refuse to denounce white supremacy? When did he actively accept or acknowledge endorsement from the KKK leader?

"There are very fine people on both sides..."

By which he meant both sides of the charlotteville clash. A.k.a, there were fine people in the counter-protests and fine people in the rally. Not everyone in the rally was a Nazi, you know?
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Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:18 pm

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Kowani wrote:"There are very fine people on both sides..."


So just because Trump insists that there are good people among right-winged protesters means that he's denying the existence and harmfulness of white supremacy?

Considering that the people he was referring to were the asshats at the Charlottesville protests, calling them merely right-wing is a bit of a stretch. And no, that was saying that there were good people among white supremacists was, in fact validating them, especially since he didn't actually condemn them.
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Postby Fostoria » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:19 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:When did he refuse to denounce white supremacy? When did he actively accept or acknowledge endorsement from the KKK leader?

"There are very fine people on both sides..."


He was saying that there were both peaceful and violent protestors on both sides, which is true. This was because much of the media was making out all of the counter-protestors as peaceful heroes, which some of them weren't.
How this turned into "Trump fails to denounce white supremacy" I have no idea.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:20 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:"There are very fine people on both sides..."

By which he meant both sides of the charlotteville clash. A.k.a, there were fine people in the counter-protests and fine people in the rally. Not everyone in the rally was a Nazi, you know?

Fine people marching with Neo-Nazis are abetting those Neo-Nazis. Not exactly a position from which one can claim moral superiority.
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Postby Fostoria » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:22 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:By which he meant both sides of the charlotteville clash. A.k.a, there were fine people in the counter-protests and fine people in the rally. Not everyone in the rally was a Nazi, you know?

Fine people marching with Neo-Nazis are abetting those Neo-Nazis. Not exactly a position from which one can claim moral superiority.


You can use this as a claim against both sides in 99% of all violent protest incidents

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:22 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Great-German Empire wrote:
So just because Trump insists that there are good people among right-winged protesters means that he's denying the existence and harmfulness of white supremacy?

Considering that the people he was referring to were the asshats at the Charlottesville protests, calling them merely right-wing is a bit of a stretch. And no, that was saying that there were good people among white supremacists was, in fact validating them, especially since he didn't actually condemn them.

Not every Unite The Right rally-goer was a white supremacist. He said there was hate and violence of both sides. Namely, hate and violence from the far left and far right and very good people on the moderate sides. I'd call that a condemnation. He then, a couple days later, explicitly condemned white supremacy.
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Postby South Acren » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:23 pm

Lol. I hope someone archived her saying that. That would be hilarious.
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Postby Fostoria » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:24 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kowani wrote:Considering that the people he was referring to were the asshats at the Charlottesville protests, calling them merely right-wing is a bit of a stretch. And no, that was saying that there were good people among white supremacists was, in fact validating them, especially since he didn't actually condemn them.

Not every Unite The Right rally-goer was a white supremacist. He said there was hate and violence of both sides. Namely, hate and violence from the far left and far right and very good people on the moderate sides. I'd call that a condemnation. He then, a couple days later, explicitly condemned white supremacy.


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Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:25 pm

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Kowani wrote:Fine people marching with Neo-Nazis are abetting those Neo-Nazis. Not exactly a position from which one can claim moral superiority.


You can use this as a claim against both sides in 99% of all violent protest incidents

Nice whataboutism.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:25 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:By which he meant both sides of the charlotteville clash. A.k.a, there were fine people in the counter-protests and fine people in the rally. Not everyone in the rally was a Nazi, you know?

Fine people marching with Neo-Nazis are abetting those Neo-Nazis. Not exactly a position from which one can claim moral superiority.

Some of the counter-protesters were communists, does that make all counter-protesters abettors of communists? No, it doesn't. Guilt by association is the biggest blight on politics right now, by a long shot.
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Postby Vaquas » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:28 pm

Kowani wrote:
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You can use this as a claim against both sides in 99% of all violent protest incidents

Nice whataboutism.


He's not saying, "everyone else at rallies is a radical as well" he's saying "the claim is ridiculous and could be made by anyone whenever violence breaks out", which is true.
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Postby The Great-German Empire » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:31 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:By which he meant both sides of the charlotteville clash. A.k.a, there were fine people in the counter-protests and fine people in the rally. Not everyone in the rally was a Nazi, you know?

Fine people marching with Neo-Nazis are abetting those Neo-Nazis. Not exactly a position from which one can claim moral superiority.


This is a "which side are you on" fallacy. I don't care is Nazis are marching; I care if they're killing. That's when I consider the ones responsible to have crossed the line.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:33 pm

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Kowani wrote:Fine people marching with Neo-Nazis are abetting those Neo-Nazis. Not exactly a position from which one can claim moral superiority.

Some of the counter-protesters were communists, does that make all counter-protesters abettors of communists? No, it doesn't. Guilt by association is the biggest blight on politics right now, by a long shot.

And how many of those communists went advertising their communism beforehand?
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:35 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Some of the counter-protesters were communists, does that make all counter-protesters abettors of communists? No, it doesn't. Guilt by association is the biggest blight on politics right now, by a long shot.

And how many of those communists went advertising their communism beforehand?

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Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:35 pm

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Kowani wrote:Fine people marching with Neo-Nazis are abetting those Neo-Nazis. Not exactly a position from which one can claim moral superiority.


This is a "which side are you on" fallacy. I don't care is Nazis are marching; I care if they're killing. That's when I consider the ones responsible to have crossed the line.

I mean, I care more about the killing ones. However, I care about validation for the marching ones. It makes them feel like they have more support, and you tie them into your movement, creating yet another base of supporters which you're still accountable to. And trust me, if we complain enough about lobbying when Big Oil does it, imagine the Aryan Brotherhood.
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Postby Eastern Don Mard » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:40 pm

Hillary Clinton is a joke honestly. The amount of bad stuff she's done overrides anything good she's done. She says she cares about her people but really doesn't lmao.
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Please don't use the term microaggression as some kind of a scathing criticism. The mere word suggests that it doesn't really matter, and it may or may not have been intentional.

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