by Darussalam » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:22 pm
by Liriena » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:57 pm
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by Liriena » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:00 pm
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by Philjia » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:01 pm
by Liriena » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:05 pm
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by Darussalam » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:06 pm
Liriena wrote:Excuse me, OP, but are you trying to "subtly" peddle "race realism" or some shit? Because unless you are gonna specify a bit more, your bloggy as fuck opening post reeks of dog-whistling.
by Liriena » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:09 pm
Darussalam wrote:I'm not dog-whistling, why would you dog-whistle science?
To be more precise, many seem to be convinced that evolution stops at the neck. From the neck upwards, humans stay the same, endowed with equal dignity by the Creator. This is soft-core creationism in the same way that Intelligent Design is also soft-core creationism. It is simply impossible, according to the mainstream leftist trend, that visible traits imply certain behavioral tendencies. Women, for example, have completely the exact same brain, the exact same inborn preferences and traits, as men do. The median black person is as smart and advantaged at birth as the median white person. Everyone is born with equal ability to succeed. There couldn't be possibly such thing as population clusters with varying average cognitive ability. Women want to be engineers and computer scientists as much as men do.
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by Bombadil » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:12 pm
by Philjia » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:14 pm
Darussalam wrote:Liriena wrote:Excuse me, OP, but are you trying to "subtly" peddle "race realism" or some shit? Because unless you are gonna specify a bit more, your bloggy as fuck opening post reeks of dog-whistling.
I'm not dog-whistling, why would you dog-whistle science? Also I don't explicitly elaborate on racism because the topic covers more than races: genetic variation between the sexes, socioeconomic classes, etc. are also subject to denialism as well.
by Liriena » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:15 pm
Bombadil wrote:Maybe some people think that but I think the actual position is that regardless of differences it shouldn't be used to single out or discriminate against a perceived set of people. There should be equality of opportunity. In addition, any average is not a statement on the individual. Finally in all the examples you cite there are far greater similarities than difference, perhaps we should accept the fact we're all basically the same and should be treated as such.
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by Genivaria » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:22 pm
Liriena wrote:Bombadil wrote:Maybe some people think that but I think the actual position is that regardless of differences it shouldn't be used to single out or discriminate against a perceived set of people. There should be equality of opportunity. In addition, any average is not a statement on the individual. Finally in all the examples you cite there are far greater similarities than difference, perhaps we should accept the fact we're all basically the same and should be treated as such.
Also, a lot of the alleged differences are observed through the lenses of socially and historically constructed categories that leave a lot to be desired in terms of scientific standards.
by The Liberated Territories » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:22 pm
by Darussalam » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:26 pm
Philjia wrote:Variation between race and class is so minute as to be infinitesimal. There's a bit more variation between the sexes, but all things considered it's not that much. The environment you grow up in is the factor most likely to determine how you turn out, plus the effects of any random or inherited severe physical or mental abnormalities.
Liriena wrote:Bombadil wrote:Maybe some people think that but I think the actual position is that regardless of differences it shouldn't be used to single out or discriminate against a perceived set of people. There should be equality of opportunity. In addition, any average is not a statement on the individual. Finally in all the examples you cite there are far greater similarities than difference, perhaps we should accept the fact we're all basically the same and should be treated as such.
Also, a lot of the alleged differences are observed through the lenses of socially and historically constructed categories that leave a lot to be desired in terms of scientific standards.
by East Gondwana » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:26 pm
by Genivaria » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:27 pm
East Gondwana wrote:Funny how OP is basically just peddling the usual racist pseudoscience, while conveniently failing to provide any scientific evidence to back up the claims.
And here I was thinking this would be a much needed critique on the left's unwarranted suspicion and even rejection of GMOs.
by Darussalam » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:31 pm
East Gondwana wrote:Funny how OP is basically just peddling the usual racist pseudoscience, while conveniently failing to provide any scientific evidence to back up the claims.
And here I was thinking this would be a much needed critique on the left's unwarranted suspicion and even rejection of GMOs.
by Liriena » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:31 pm
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by Liriena » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:33 pm
Liriena wrote:Darussalam wrote:So you don't believe traits and behaviors could be innate or inherited?
Not in the terms you clearly wish to express it. Your "scientific racism" isn't very subtle, specially after you unironically cited the bell curve.
The idea that there are significant traits and behaviors that are part of some sort of "racial biological essence", which you are blatantly pushing, is nothing more than an ad hoc attempt to cram the square peg of arcane racial categories into the round hole of contemporary genetics.
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by Liriena » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:34 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:You are entirely correct Dar. The fact is, the races aren't equal. To believe they are engages in a form of Rousseauvian "blank-state creationism."
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by The Liberated Territories » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:35 pm
by Auzkhia » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:37 pm
Genivaria wrote:East Gondwana wrote:Funny how OP is basically just peddling the usual racist pseudoscience, while conveniently failing to provide any scientific evidence to back up the claims.
And here I was thinking this would be a much needed critique on the left's unwarranted suspicion and even rejection of GMOs.
That (and speaking as a Leftist here) is one of those things that the Left really needs to shut up about, along with the hysteria over Nuclear Energy.
Nuclear Power is safe.
by Darussalam » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:37 pm
Liriena wrote:Darussalam wrote:So you don't believe traits and behaviors could be innate or inherited?
Not in the terms you clearly wish to express it. Your "scientific racism" isn't very subtle, specially after you unironically cited the bell curve.
The idea that there are significant traits and behaviors that are part of some sort of "racial biological essence", which you are blatantly pushing, is nothing more than an ad hoc attempt to cram the square peg of arcane racial categories into the round hole of contemporary genetics.
by Darussalam » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:42 pm
Liriena wrote:Liriena wrote:Not in the terms you clearly wish to express it. Your "scientific racism" isn't very subtle, specially after you unironically cited the bell curve.
The idea that there are significant traits and behaviors that are part of some sort of "racial biological essence", which you are blatantly pushing, is nothing more than an ad hoc attempt to cram the square peg of arcane racial categories into the round hole of contemporary genetics.
Also, friendly reminder to everyone else in the thread that the bell curve is a pile of bullshit, and here's why: http://www.mdcbowen.org/p2/rm/debunk/dBell.htm
by East Gondwana » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:47 pm
Darussalam wrote:East Gondwana wrote:Funny how OP is basically just peddling the usual racist pseudoscience, while conveniently failing to provide any scientific evidence to back up the claims.
And here I was thinking this would be a much needed critique on the left's unwarranted suspicion and even rejection of GMOs.
The OP is meant as a general critique - the criticism is wide-ranged so I omitted quoting literature (of which there are many abound) that supported my claims until the debate is focused on certain aspects. I also don't provide sources because I naively thought NSGers are quite well-read in scientific literature to at least have knowledge of them. In that respect I am quite disappointed.
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