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Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:54 pm**

Torrocca wrote:Hurrah. Fascism wins again.

Let's see how long it takes before Brazil's turned into a full-blown dictatorship.

>fascism

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:56 pm**

Aellex wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Hurrah. Fascism wins again.

Let's see how long it takes before Brazil's turned into a full-blown dictatorship.

>fascism

Fascism is anti-establishment, too, and not all forms of Fascism are inherently racist. :^)

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:56 pm**

Democratic backsliding really is all the rage these days lol

Under a normal administration a quick injection of CIA air-launched precision stealth freedom would probably be the logical course but this is Trump so I'm sure he'll instead make things worse

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:57 pm**

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Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:58 pm**

Confederation of the Equator wrote:There were way too many buzz words being thrown around during these elections, so much that I think the term "fascism" has been banalized. I'll give you all 3 months for you to realize it's going to stay the same. And no, there aren't going to be LGBT death squads.

I'll give you two months to the contrary, considering how much Bolsonaro loves to wank it to the idea of military juntas and far-right dictatorships, especially South American ones.

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:59 pm**

Confederation of the Equator wrote:There were way too many buzz words being thrown around during these elections, so much that I think the term "fascism" has been banalized. I'll give you all 3 months for you to realize it's going to stay the same. And no, there aren't going to be LGBT death squads.

Will he legalise furry hunting though?

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:00 pm**

Torrocca wrote:Fascism is anti-establishment, too, and not all forms of Fascism are inherently racist. :^)

Anything that the left dislike isn't Fascism, tho. He looks just like the usual militarist, nothing more and nothing less.

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:00 pm**

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Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:01 pm**

Aellex wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Fascism is anti-establishment, too, and not all forms of Fascism are inherently racist. :^)

Anything that the left dislike isn't Fascism, tho. He looks just like the usual militarist, nothing more and nothing less.

Then it's pretty clear you haven't given much good a look into the policies which he advocates for, which are pretty clearly far-right, anti-democratic, militarist, nationalist, and so on and so forth.

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:01 pm**

Jair Bolsonaro, muh man won the election.

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:02 pm**

Torrocca wrote:
Aellex wrote:
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>fascism

Fascism is anti-establishment, too, and not all forms of Fascism are inherently racist. :^)

Egalitarianism doesn't sound very fascist to me. And that quote sounds very egalitarian.
I'm definitely willing to give him a shot; media fearmongering is usually wrong.

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:03 pm**

Not bad considering the mess Brazil is in. Difficult situations necessitate difficult choices.

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:03 pm**

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:I really thought the world learnt a lesson the last time. We just never seem to get it into our thick skulls.

Learn what lesson? That nationalist, populist right-wing movements can be successful?

Oh yes, I'd say the world learned that lesson quite well.

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:04 pm**

Aellex wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Hurrah. Fascism wins again.

Let's see how long it takes before Brazil's turned into a full-blown dictatorship.

>fascism

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jair_Bolsonaro

Here's some other gems of his, since you seem to be on the willful ignorance train:

-"Pinochet should have killed more people."
-"The only mistake of the dictatorship was torturing and not killing."
-"I'm in favor of the military regime."
-"There is no doubt. I would launch a coup on the same day. [Congress] doesn't work and I'm sure that at least 90% of the population would applaud. Congress nowadays does nothing; it votes only for what the president wants. If he's who rules, who decides and who gloats above the Congress, then let the coup be launched, let it be a dictatorship."
-"If one's son begins acting kind of gay, then when he is spanked he'll change his behavior."
-"I would be incapable of loving a gay son. I wouldn't be a hypocrite. I prefer that he die in an accident than show up with some guy with a moustache."
-"I will not fight against it nor discriminate, but if I see two men kissing on the street, I'll beat them up."
-"It's my advice and I do it: I evade all the taxes I can."
-"Since we are a Christian country, God above all. This history of a secular state doesn't exist, no. The state is Christian and the minority that is against it can leave. Let's make a country for majority! The minority must bow to the majority. Law must exist to defend the majority! The minority suits itself [to the law] or just disappears."
-"We're going to shoot all the PT supporters in Acre."
-"These red outlaws will be banished from our homeland. It will be a cleanup the likes of which has never been seen in Brazilian history."

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:04 pm**

Proctopeo wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Fascism is anti-establishment, too, and not all forms of Fascism are inherently racist. :^)

Egalitarianism doesn't sound very fascist to me. And that quote sounds very egalitarian.
I'm definitely willing to give him a shot; media fearmongering is usually wrong.

Considering all the blatant sexism and homophobia, I'd say that's little more than a sweetly-whispered lie of his to garner additional support. :^)

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:04 pm**

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:I really thought the world learnt a lesson the last time. We just never seem to get it into our thick skulls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ToEvz-7trY

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... s-to-fight

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:05 pm**

Torrocca wrote:Then it's pretty clear you haven't given much good a look into the policies which he advocates for, which are pretty clearly far-right, anti-democratic, militarist, nationalist, and so on and so forth.

Nah, I quite clearly said that he was a militarist and it's obvious that he's a nationalist (which I find quite weird you think is a bad thing, somehow) but a fascist him that doesn't make.
Again, for all the tweets and shit, he ain't fucking Hitler, stop joshing mate.

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:05 pm**

Confederation of the Equator wrote:There were way too many buzz words being thrown around during these elections, so much that I think the term "fascism" has been banalized. I'll give you all 3 months for you to realize it's going to stay the same. And no, there aren't going to be LGBT death squads.

This. We can be vigilant about our gains and progress made over the past decades without resorting to "sky is falling" rhetoric. As for me, based from what I can gather, I'd rather that Haddad win. I can't blame the Brazilians if they thought that Bolsonaro is a surer bet in effecting positive change (doubt it).

Haddad however, seems more content with resorting to buzzwords and ideological cliches, thinking that it is enough for voters to vote for him. There's the perception that as far as his party is concerned, what he says and the facts on the ground do not match.

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:06 pm**

Confederation of the Equator wrote:There were way too many buzz words being thrown around during these elections, so much that I think the term "fascism" has been banalized. I'll give you all 3 months for you to realize it's going to stay the same. And no, there aren't going to be LGBT death squads.

The man has literally talked about mass purges of his political opponents and their supporters lol, I think some concern is fucking warranted at this point

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:06 pm**

Senkaku wrote:
Aellex wrote:

>fascism

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jair_Bolsonaro

Here's some other gems of his, since you seem to be on the willful ignorance train:

-"Pinochet should have killed more people."
-"The only mistake of the dictatorship was torturing and not killing."
-"I'm in favor of the military regime."
-"There is no doubt. I would launch a coup on the same day. [Congress] doesn't work and I'm sure that at least 90% of the population would applaud. Congress nowadays does nothing; it votes only for what the president wants. If he's who rules, who decides and who gloats above the Congress, then let the coup be launched, let it be a dictatorship."
-"If one's son begins acting kind of gay, then when he is spanked he'll change his behavior."
-"I would be incapable of loving a gay son. I wouldn't be a hypocrite. I prefer that he die in an accident than show up with some guy with a moustache."
-"I will not fight against it nor discriminate, but if I see two men kissing on the street, I'll beat them up."
-"It's my advice and I do it: I evade all the taxes I can."
-"Since we are a Christian country, God above all. This history of a secular state doesn't exist, no. The state is Christian and the minority that is against it can leave. Let's make a country for majority! The minority must bow to the majority. Law must exist to defend the majority! The minority suits itself [to the law] or just disappears."
-"We're going to shoot all the PT supporters in Acre."
-"These red outlaws will be banished from our homeland. It will be a cleanup the likes of which has never been seen in Brazilian history."

Conservative authoritarianism is not fascism.

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:06 pm**

Torrocca wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Egalitarianism doesn't sound very fascist to me. And that quote sounds very egalitarian.
I'm definitely willing to give him a shot; media fearmongering is usually wrong.

Considering all the blatant sexism and homophobia, I'd say that's little more than a sweetly-whispered lie of his to garner additional support. :^)

Citação necessária, por favor.

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:07 pm**

Aellex wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Then it's pretty clear you haven't given much good a look into the policies which he advocates for, which are pretty clearly far-right, anti-democratic, militarist, nationalist, and so on and so forth.

Nah, I quite clearly said that he was a militarist and it's obvious that he's a nationalist (which I find quite weird you think is a bad thing, somehow) but a fascist him that doesn't make.
Again, for all the tweets and shit, he ain't fucking Hitler, stop joshing mate.

I never said he was fucking Hitler, thank you very much.

The Hitlerishness of a person or lack thereof, however, still doesn't preclude somebody from being a fucking Fascist, which Bolsonaro clearly is.

Hell, even just six days ago (from GCCS's link) he literally said he's ready to begin a full-on political purge. He's a Fascist and he's a fucking threat to democracy.

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:08 pm**

Proctopeo wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Considering all the blatant sexism and homophobia, I'd say that's little more than a sweetly-whispered lie of his to garner additional support. :^)

Citação necessária, por favor.

Plenty of sources within there to verify this. :^)

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:09 pm**

Western-Ukraine wrote:Not bad considering the mess Brazil is in. Difficult situations necessitate difficult choices.

Yeah, no. I accept that hard times require difficult choices. However, if that is your reasoning, then this is a disgrace. Imagine, you come to the conclusion that things need to get worse before they get better, and instead for voting for a party that would distribute those burdens at least somewhat equally, you go with the party that places those burdens on already vulnerable minorities. Yeah, that is exceptionally brave of the Brazilian electorate, to accept that things must get harder, and to place that burden on those who cannot defend themselves.

Kaggeceria wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:I really thought the world learnt a lesson the last time. We just never seem to get it into our thick skulls.

Learn what lesson? That nationalist, populist right-wing movements can be successful?

Oh yes, I'd say the world learned that lesson quite well.

The lesson that voting for a nationalist, populist right-wing candidate is probably a bad idea.

Posted: **Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:09 pm**

Proctopeo wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Fascism is anti-establishment, too, and not all forms of Fascism are inherently racist. :^)

Egalitarianism doesn't sound very fascist to me. And that quote sounds very egalitarian.
I'm definitely willing to give him a shot; media fearmongering is usually wrong.

It's not "media fearmongering" to report the literal words that come out of someone's mouth.

Aellex wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Then it's pretty clear you haven't given much good a look into the policies which he advocates for, which are pretty clearly far-right, anti-democratic, militarist, nationalist, and so on and so forth.

Nah, I quite clearly said that he was a militarist and it's obvious that he's a nationalist (which I find quite weird you think is a bad thing, somehow) but a fascist him that doesn't make.
Again, for all the tweets and shit, he ain't fucking Hitler, stop joshing mate.

So either you're completely unfamiliar with his record and positions, or you just don't believe he's going to do anything he says- if it's the former, read up, and if it's the latter, why would you support him (besides that he ticks off liberals or whatever)?

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