Brazil Second Presidential N Paliament Elections 2018 Genral

[Pasong Tirad]

Violently anti-communist, "anti-establishment" but complicit with the capitalist class, militaristic, authoritarian, traditionalist, nationalist, chauvinistic, homophobic... but he's totally not fashy you guuuuuuuuuys! He's just really into crime fighting and shit. :^)

Literally Duterte 2: Bolsonaro Boogaloo.

[Senkaku]

Love how you immediately dropped the matter of history when the inconvenient truth your ilk did more to cause WW2 than to end it was pointed out, tho. Good to see you have some self-awareness at least.

Sorry, but I don't deal in ahistorical bullshit. Your beloved De Gaulle and Churchill sat on their asses appeasing Hitler while leftists fought Nazis in the streets of Germany and then fought them again all across Spain. :^)

I mean, this is just a dumb argument, neither of them were in positions to influence Anglo-French policy before the war started. And if we want to get really into the nitty-gritty, your beloved comrades fucking lost, in no small part because they were being supported by Stalinist Russia, which I think as regimes go is as close to a perfect moral vacuum as you can come.

Took FDR and solid, capitalist, democratic American can-do to fix Europe's mess (as usual).

[Vassenor]

And looks like the Military Police is already raiding colleges to remove "ideological content" and anti-fascist materials. (Link in Portuguese)

[Senkaku]

Not dumbasses like Von Papen who thought they could control Hitler? That's who I'd be blaming if anyone lol

By "authoritarian generals" do you mean "the American army"? Lol

I think he means de Gaulle and Roosevelt which were rather authoritarian in their measures (Roosevelt himself skipping over the senate and congress on multiple occasions and De Gaulle being an "apprentice dictator").

I mean, total war kinda calls for authoritarian measures.

I think he means de Gaulle and Roosevelt which were rather authoritarian in their measures (Roosevelt himself skipping over the senate and congress on multiple occasions and De Gaulle being an "apprentice dictator").

Also, y'know, the whole Japanese internment thing.

Yeah, that was a pretty catastrophically huge and shameful fuck-up. But at least we weren't gassing them or working them to death as our German and Russian friends might've done, so I think America still emerges slightly ahead in the moral calculus here.

[Aellex]

You mean the same De Gaulle and the same Churchill of the same 1930's France and Britain that constantly appeased Adolf Hitler in hopes of avoiding war?

While Leftists were in Spain fighting Nazis and Fascists all over the place?

That De Gaulle and that Churchill?

Lmao.

I mean, I wouldn't say that causing a civil war and then losing it is really "helping" anyone at all apart from, again, the actual fascist but friendly reminder that it's the vociferous LARP-ing of the """International Brigades""" and the Anars who just fucked around and looted shit until they got crushed by the Italians that essentially cock-blocked France from intervening there.

[Senkaku]

Violently anti-communist, "anti-establishment" but complicit with the capitalist class, militaristic, authoritarian, traditionalist, nationalist, chauvinistic, homophobic... but he's totally not fashy you guuuuuuuuuys! He's just really into crime fighting and shit. :^)

Literally Duterte 2: Bolsonaro Boogaloo.

Good comparison tbh


Cue our rightist friends responding "well Duterte's drug war has ONLY killed tens of thousands!!"

[Kaggeceria]

Churchill appeasing Hitler?

You've got your history all fucked up.

I was saying France and Britain were appeasing Hitler while leftists in Spain were fighting him and his friends, to clarify. :^)

No, you accused fucking Churchill specifically of appeasing Hitler.

That is so historically revisionist that I'm not even sure how to respond.

[Torrocca]

Sorry, but I don't deal in ahistorical bullshit. Your beloved De Gaulle and Churchill sat on their asses appeasing Hitler while leftists fought Nazis in the streets of Germany and then fought them again all across Spain. :^)

I mean, this is just a dumb argument, neither of them were in positions to influence Anglo-French policy before the war started.

Eh, fair. Should've kept it specified to Britain and France.

And if we want to get really into the nitty-gritty, your beloved comrades fucking lost, in no small part because they were being supported by Stalinist Russia, which I think as regimes go is as close to a perfect moral vacuum as you can come.

I-It's the effort that counts ;~;

But, yeah, I fucking hate that Stalin's regime was the one to get involved in the Republic.

[Senkaku]

You mean the same De Gaulle and the same Churchill of the same 1930's France and Britain that constantly appeased Adolf Hitler in hopes of avoiding war?

While Leftists were in Spain fighting Nazis and Fascists all over the place?

That De Gaulle and that Churchill?

Lmao.

I mean, I wouldn't say that causing a civil war and then losing it is really "helping" anyone at all apart from, again, the actual fascist but friendly reminder that it's the vociferous LARP-ing of the """International Brigades""" and the Anars who just fucked around and looted shit until they got crushed by the Italians that essentially cock-blocked France from intervening there.

Is this the pre-WW2 thread? no?

oh I must've gotten confused

[Rio Cana]

With 99% of the votes counted, Bol. got 55.2% of the vote. Had. got 44.8%.

A local radio station had some news on this. They had part of Bol. victory speech. And he does sound like a normal politician. Wanting to get Brazil closer to the first class nations of the world. To work for all Brazilians and such. Nothing he said sounded subversive. Time will tell.

[Torrocca]

And looks like the Military Police is already raiding colleges to remove "ideological content" and anti-fascist materials. (Link in Portuguese)

That was fucking quick lmao.

They didn't even wait for Bolsonaro to actually get voted in to start that shit up.

[Uxupox]

And looks like the Military Police is already raiding colleges to remove "ideological content" and anti-fascist materials. (Link in Portuguese)

That was fucking quick lmao.

They didn't even wait for Bolsonaro to actually get voted in to start that shit up.

That actually happened 3 days before the election interestingly enough.

[Pasong Tirad]

Literally Duterte 2: Bolsonaro Boogaloo.

Good comparison tbh


Cue our rightist friends responding "well Duterte's drug war has ONLY killed tens of thousands!!"

State's "official count" pegs the number at around 5,000 killed in "legitimate police action." More believable non-state sanctioned counts pegs the number at upwards of 24,000, with the possibility of reaching upwards of 35,000 by mid 2019. Duterte and Bolsonaro really really just look like carbon copies of each other, except one of them got an upgrade because it looks like his killings are going to be supported not just by the police but by the military as well.

[Aellex]

Just a reminder that I called you a Vichyist Nazi because, as you've demonstrated in this very thread, you're certainly in favor of institutions like the Freikorps coming about to aid in the rise of Fascism because of the existence of "dirty commies". :^)

Ah, so you're just incapable to read then, that's somewhat better.
What I actually said is that antifas and other commies have been the one who've actually managed to put Fascists into power when the Freikorps' greatest achievement in that cause is just raiding some offices and killing an handful of people; hence why even them ironically have a better track record at preserving democracy.
It was no support of the latter, merely a tongue in cheek remark at how efficient the former are at accomplishing the exact opposite of their goal.

[San Lumen]

With Bolsonaro’s victory it is time to say farewell to democracy in Brazil and even more sadly the Amazon rainforest. This will be a day remembered for generations to come. That’s if there even is a world for our children to inherit.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

1. Authoritarianism is submission to authority; Totalitarianism is when the state controls everything. These are not the same things.

2. Fascists romanticize the past as being glorious, they do not seek to recreate it. Fascism is also not inherently misogynist.

1. Don't you need to submit to the authority of the state to let the state control everything? Authoritarianism is a prerequisite to totalitarianism.

2. Shame that all fascist movements to this day have been misogynistic.

Authoritarianism and Totalitarianism compliment each other perfectly, but neither is necessary for the other to be attained. Totalitarianism demands obedience, whereas Authoritarianism doesn't have to. Get it?

All of them have been misogynistic? I find that hard to believe. The Fascists I've conversed with seem to suggest that while they prefer gender roles they do not necessarily wish to enforce them. Admittedly you could say that's still fairly misogynistic, but I've never met a Fascists who thought women should be submissive to men or be treated as objects/broodmares.

You literally just proved my point.

"top fucking kek lmao" indeed.

Yeah, shockingly, a single data point of anecdotal evidence isn't worthwhile evidence, lmao.

But your totally unbiased opinion is? Gonna be honest: I've never met someone so arrogant that they think they know an ideology better than it's own practitioners. The Fascists I've met and conversed with would honestly shock you, I think. Of course you don't strike me as the type to have a mature conversation with people you disagree with anyway considering how you like to throw out smug smilies and "lmaos" everywhere as if you're a talking encyclopedia with all the answers and everyone who disagrees is a moron who doesn't know bupkis.

[Freezic Vast]

With Bolsonaro’s victory it is time to say farewell to democracy in Brazil and even more sadly the Amazon rainforest. This will be a day remembered for generations to come. That’s if there even is a world for our children to inherit.

But the people voted for it, they rejected the corrupt communist supporting PT for a reason. Sound familiar.

[Torrocca]

Just a reminder that I called you a Vichyist Nazi because, as you've demonstrated in this very thread, you're certainly in favor of institutions like the Freikorps coming about to aid in the rise of Fascism because of the existence of "dirty commies". :^)

Ah, so you're just incapable to read then, that's somewhat better.
What I actually said is that antifas and other commies have been the one who've actually managed to put Fascists into power when the Freikorps' greatest achievement in that cause is just raiding some offices and killing an handful of people; hence why even them ironically have a better track record at preserving democracy.
It was no support of the latter, merely a tongue in cheek remark at how efficient the former are at accomplishing the exact opposite of their goal.

Suuureeeee. :^)

And acting like it's the fault of the Communists that the Fascists got into power is so ludicrously ahistorical that it's not even funny anymore tbqh.

[Hammer Britannia]

Everyone I disagree with is Hitler: The Thread

[Torrocca]

Yeah, shockingly, a single data point of anecdotal evidence isn't worthwhile evidence, lmao.

But your totally unbiased opinion is? Gonna be honest: I've never met someone so arrogant that they think they know an ideology better than it's own practitioners. The Fascists I've met and conversed with would honestly shock you, I think. Of course you don't strike me as the type to have a mature conversation with people you disagree with anyway considering how you like to throw out smug smilies and "lmaos" everywhere as if you're a talking encyclopedia with all the answers and everyone who disagrees is a moron who doesn't know bupkis.

I'll trust the academic sources on the matter over the words of a two-bit nobody who you're citing as your evidence, thank you very much.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Everyone I disagree with is Hitler: The Thread

Anything short of Hitler is agreeable: Also the Thread

[Rio Cana]

With Bolsonaro’s victory it is time to say farewell to democracy in Brazil and even more sadly the Amazon rainforest. This will be a day remembered for generations to come. That’s if there even is a world for our children to inherit.

If climate warming happens 100% then most of the Amazon will be part of the Atlantic ocean. See map -
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-JoK59iL0dQ/maxresdefault.jpg

[Shrillland]

With Bolsonaro’s victory it is time to say farewell to democracy in Brazil and even more sadly the Amazon rainforest. This will be a day remembered for generations to come. That’s if there even is a world for our children to inherit.

AH, well. Democracy's died in Latin America before, it always bounces back. Besides, the Social Liberals are second behind the PT in the Chamber and tied for 10th place in the Senate, so he'll still need a hefty coalition to get things done.

[San Lumen]

With Bolsonaro’s victory it is time to say farewell to democracy in Brazil and even more sadly the Amazon rainforest. This will be a day remembered for generations to come. That’s if there even is a world for our children to inherit.

But the people voted for it, they rejected the corrupt communist supporting PT for a reason. Sound familiar.

Yeah who cares about trees and birds and if our children have a world to inherit! Only muh money and my comforts matter. Screw the earth. We need that land for farming

[Pasong Tirad]

Everyone I disagree with is Hitler: The Thread

Being a millimeter to the left of Hitler is not bad: The Thread