Brazil Second Presidential N Paliament Elections 2018 Genral

[Liriena]

Violently anti-communist, "anti-establishment" but complicit with the capitalist class, militaristic, authoritarian, traditionalist, nationalist, chauvinistic, homophobic... but he's totally not fashy you guuuuuuuuuys! He's just really into crime fighting and shit. :^)

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Fascists are not conservative. Oftentimes they want to rebuild society from the ground up and make something new.

And they aren't authoritarian. They're full-on totalitarian. There is a difference.


The US lol Trump has yet to execute dissidents and minorities.

Authoritarianism is a form of government characterised by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Totalitarianism is just that dialled to 11. Authoritarianism and Totalitarianism are fruits of the same tree. Fascists are authoritarian, to an enormous degree.

Fascists harken back to a glorious past, despise feminism and want to see women being housewives. They literally want to return to a period when the country was great. If that is not conservative, I don't know what is. Yeah, sure, they want to build the country from the ground up, but only to achieve those socially conservative goals.

Trump is still confined by the bounds of the constitution. His government cannot be radical right-wing due to the checks and balances of the office.

1. Authoritarianism is submission to authority; Totalitarianism is when the state controls everything. These are not the same things.

2. Fascists romanticize the past as being glorious, they do not seek to recreate it. Fascism is also not inherently misogynist.

[Aellex]

Sounds to me like you just want a repeat of the rise of Nazi Germany. :^)

Funny, for a Frenchie, I never figured you to be so pro-Vichy.

Tor, five minute earlier : "I-I'm n-not saying h-he's H-Hitler!"
Tor, right now : "If you don't think that every militarist that gets in power is a dirty fascist it must means you secretely are a Nazi Vichyist!"

Lmao I can't even


Anyway, if you really wanna go full Godwin immediately and whine about the Nazis, I'm sorry to tell you that fam but Antifas and other Commies cunts are the ones that can be mostly credited with putting them into power while Authoritarians Generals are the ones who led the fight against the Fascists (the actual ones, not everyone right of Mao you happen to dislike) and re-established Democracy in Europe.

[Aellex]

Motherfucker is plagiarizing JFK lmao

I mean, he """just""" got stabby-stabbo instead of 360 no scope headshot but the resemblance doesn't end there indeed.

[Torrocca]

Sounds to me like you just want a repeat of the rise of Nazi Germany. :^)

Funny, for a Frenchie, I never figured you to be so pro-Vichy.

Tor, five minute earlier : "I-I'm n-not saying h-he's H-Hitler!"
Tor, right now : "If you don't think that every militarist that gets in power is a dirty fascist it must means you secretely are a Nazi Vichyist!"

Shockingly enough, those statements are neither contradictory nor mutually exclusive. You, right now, can be a Nazi-sympathizing Vichyist without Jair Bolsonaro being the literal Brazilian reincarnation of Adolf Hitler.

I know logic's a hard thing to comprehend, but please do try.

>TFW your proof is anecdotal evidence from a single Brazilian who calls themselves a Fascist

top fucking kek lmao

You literally just proved my point.

"top fucking kek lmao" indeed.

Yeah, shockingly, a single data point of anecdotal evidence isn't worthwhile evidence, lmao.

[Trumptonium1]

Sounds to me like you just want a repeat of the rise of Nazi Germany. :^)

Funny, for a Frenchie, I never figured you to be so pro-Vichy.

Tor, five minute earlier : "I-I'm n-not saying h-he's H-Hitler!"
Tor, right now : "If you don't think that every militarist that gets in power is a dirty fascist it must means you secretely are a Nazi Vichyist!"

Lmao I can't even


Anyway, if you really wanna go full Godwin immediately and whine about the Nazis, I'm sorry to tell you that fam but Antifas and other Commies cunts are the ones that can be mostly credited with putting them into power while Authoritarians Generals are the ones who led the fight against the Fascists (the actual ones, not everyone right of Mao you happen to dislike) and re-established Democracy in Europe.

This is the funniest part -- modern liberals would call the views of mainstream conservatives of 1930s-1980s like Churchill and de Gaulle as "fascist" if they would be around today. Why did WW2 even happen according to liberals? Must have been a dinner disagreement gone wrong...

[Senkaku]

I'm sorry to tell you that fam but Antifas and other Commies cunts are the ones that can be mostly credited with putting them into power

Not dumbasses like Von Papen who thought they could control Hitler? That's who I'd be blaming if anyone lol

while Authoritarians Generals are the ones who led the fight against the Fascists (the actual ones, not everyone right of Mao you happen to dislike) and re-established Democracy in Europe.

By "authoritarian generals" do you mean "the American army"? Lol

[Senkaku]

Motherfucker is plagiarizing JFK lmao

I mean, he """just""" got stabby-stabbo instead of 360 no scope headshot but the resemblance doesn't end there indeed.

He lived tho (and since we're talking about Hitler parallels... )

[Torrocca]

Tor, five minute earlier : "I-I'm n-not saying h-he's H-Hitler!"
Tor, right now : "If you don't think that every militarist that gets in power is a dirty fascist it must means you secretely are a Nazi Vichyist!"

Lmao I can't even


Anyway, if you really wanna go full Godwin immediately and whine about the Nazis, I'm sorry to tell you that fam but Antifas and other Commies cunts are the ones that can be mostly credited with putting them into power while Authoritarians Generals are the ones who led the fight against the Fascists (the actual ones, not everyone right of Mao you happen to dislike) and re-established Democracy in Europe.

This is the funniest part -- modern liberals would call the views of mainstream conservatives of 1930s-1980s like Churchill and de Gaulle as "fascist" if they would be around today. Why did WW2 even happen according to liberals? Must have been a dinner disagreement gone wrong...

You mean the same De Gaulle and the same Churchill of the same 1930's France and Britain that constantly appeased Adolf Hitler in hopes of avoiding war?

While Leftists were in Spain fighting Nazis and Fascists all over the place?

That De Gaulle and that Churchill?

Lmao.

[Aellex]

Shockingly enough, those statements are neither contradictory nor mutually exclusive. You, right now, can be a Nazi-sympathizing Vichyist without Jair Bolsonaro being the literal Brazilian reincarnation of Adolf Hitler.

I know logic's a hard thing to comprehend, but please do try.

I mean, for me to comprehend logic, you would need to show the slightest inkling of it.
Sadly for you, calling the other side a "Fascist Vichyist Nazi" because he doesn't think that the guy who just got elected is a "Fascist Vichyist Nazi" isn't logic, it's just a quite pathetic cop-out.

Love how you immediately dropped the matter of history when the inconvenient truth your ilk did more to cause WW2 than to end it was pointed out, tho. Good to see you have some self-awareness at least.

[Liriena]

Motherfucker is plagiarizing JFK lmao

I mean, he """just""" got stabby-stabbo instead of 360 no scope headshot but the resemblance doesn't end there indeed.

"Stabby-stabbo" is an absolutely adorable phrase and I'm stealing it.

Anyway, I now uphold Hoxha-Posadism with Peronist characteristics. Nuclear war and bunkers for everyone... but all of it nationally produced.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... s-to-fight

he's >>literally hitler<< because he wants to jail corrupt leftist politicians and violent leftist mobs?

aight, sounds legit then. someone better be on the lookout for any import requests of gases at this point.

Well, last time it landed us with the most destructive war in human history. Name me a radical right-wing populist, nationalist government that does not have the blood of dissidents and minorities on its hands.

singapore, south korea, interwar poland, interwar czechoslovakia, interwar finland, interwar yugoslavia (for the most part), salazar portugal (colonies excluded), apartheid south africa (for the most part)

He didn't make that nuance, though. He said he would jail his Red enemies. You are adding nuance it afterwards for him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spectrum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwangju_Uprising
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Cze ... k_Republic (wasn't a nationalist, right-wing radical government)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... er-war_era (idem)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugova_massacre

Salazar's Portugal: you cannot exclude the colonies. Those were under Portuguese rule, and their lives matter too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... uth_Africa

Also, are you using Apartheid South Africa as an example of how well a nationalist state worked? Really? Apart from Poland, a simple google search wielded me simple rebuttals to your points.

[Liriena]

I mean, he """just""" got stabby-stabbo instead of 360 no scope headshot but the resemblance doesn't end there indeed.

He lived tho (and since we're talking about Hitler parallels... )

The one good thing Hitler did...

[Uxupox]

I'm sorry to tell you that fam but Antifas and other Commies cunts are the ones that can be mostly credited with putting them into power

Not dumbasses like Von Papen who thought they could control Hitler? That's who I'd be blaming if anyone lol

while Authoritarians Generals are the ones who led the fight against the Fascists (the actual ones, not everyone right of Mao you happen to dislike) and re-established Democracy in Europe.

By "authoritarian generals" do you mean "the American army"? Lol

I think he means de Gaulle and Roosevelt which were rather authoritarian in their measures (Roosevelt himself skipping over the senate and congress on multiple occasions and De Gaulle being an "apprentice dictator").

[Shrillland]

Over 31,000,000 abstentions....those could've turned the tide, and they show how abstention can be a bad thing in a situation like this.

[Kaggeceria]

Fascists are not conservative. Oftentimes they want to rebuild society from the ground up and make something new.

And they aren't authoritarian. They're full-on totalitarian. There is a difference.


The US lol Trump has yet to execute dissidents and minorities.

Authoritarianism is a form of government characterised by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Totalitarianism is just that dialled to 11. Authoritarianism and Totalitarianism are fruits of the same tree. Fascists are authoritarian, to an enormous degree.

Fascist want control over all aspects of civilian life. Its a totalitarian ideology. Mussolini admitted as much himself in the Doctrine of Fascism.

Fascists harken back to a glorious past, despise feminism and want to see women being housewives. They literally want to return to a period when the country was great. If that is not conservative, I don't know what is. Yeah, sure, they want to build the country from the ground up, but only to achieve those socially conservative goals.

In some areas they are conservative. In others they are not. The Nazis, for example, despised Christianity and wanted to completely remove Christian influence from German society.

That sort of conflicts with conservative orthodoxy, as you might imagine.

Trump is still confined by the bounds of the constitution. His government cannot be radical right-wing due to the checks and balances of the office.

Oh yes... because laws have totally stopped fascists in the past...

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Authoritarianism is a form of government characterised by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Totalitarianism is just that dialled to 11. Authoritarianism and Totalitarianism are fruits of the same tree. Fascists are authoritarian, to an enormous degree.

Fascists harken back to a glorious past, despise feminism and want to see women being housewives. They literally want to return to a period when the country was great. If that is not conservative, I don't know what is. Yeah, sure, they want to build the country from the ground up, but only to achieve those socially conservative goals.

Trump is still confined by the bounds of the constitution. His government cannot be radical right-wing due to the checks and balances of the office.

1. Authoritarianism is submission to authority; Totalitarianism is when the state controls everything. These are not the same things.

2. Fascists romanticize the past as being glorious, they do not seek to recreate it. Fascism is also not inherently misogynist.

1. Don't you need to submit to the authority of the state to let the state control everything? Authoritarianism is a prerequisite to totalitarianism.

2. Shame that all fascist movements to this day have been misogynistic.

[Liriena]

Not dumbasses like Von Papen who thought they could control Hitler? That's who I'd be blaming if anyone lol

By "authoritarian generals" do you mean "the American army"? Lol

I think he means de Gaulle and Roosevelt which were rather authoritarian in their measures (Roosevelt himself skipping over the senate and congress on multiple occasions and De Gaulle being an "apprentice dictator").

Also, y'know, the whole Japanese internment thing.

[Torrocca]

Shockingly enough, those statements are neither contradictory nor mutually exclusive. You, right now, can be a Nazi-sympathizing Vichyist without Jair Bolsonaro being the literal Brazilian reincarnation of Adolf Hitler.

I know logic's a hard thing to comprehend, but please do try.

I mean, for me to comprehend logic, you would need to show the slightest inkling of it.
Sadly for you, calling the other side a "Fascist Vichyist Nazi" because he doesn't think that the guy who just got elected is a "Fascist Vichyist Nazi" isn't logic, it's just a quite pathetic cop-out.

Just a reminder that I called you a Vichyist Nazi because, as you've demonstrated in this very thread, you're certainly in favor of institutions like the Freikorps coming about to aid in the rise of Fascism because of the existence of "dirty commies". :^)

Love how you immediately dropped the matter of history when the inconvenient truth your ilk did more to cause WW2 than to end it was pointed out, tho. Good to see you have some self-awareness at least.

Sorry, but I don't deal in ahistorical bullshit. Your beloved De Gaulle and Churchill sat on their asses appeasing Hitler while leftists fought Nazis in the streets of Germany and then fought them again all across Spain. :^)

[Uxupox]

This is the funniest part -- modern liberals would call the views of mainstream conservatives of 1930s-1980s like Churchill and de Gaulle as "fascist" if they would be around today. Why did WW2 even happen according to liberals? Must have been a dinner disagreement gone wrong...

You mean the same De Gaulle and the same Churchill of the same 1930's France and Britain that constantly appeased Adolf Hitler in hopes of avoiding war?

While Leftists were in Spain fighting Nazis and Fascists all over the place?

That De Gaulle and that Churchill?

Lmao.

What? De Gaulle and Churchill were not leading their respective governments. Heck Churchill was a proponent against any sort of appeasement with the Germans and De Gaulle during the 30's was just a lowly staff officer.

[Kaggeceria]

This is the funniest part -- modern liberals would call the views of mainstream conservatives of 1930s-1980s like Churchill and de Gaulle as "fascist" if they would be around today. Why did WW2 even happen according to liberals? Must have been a dinner disagreement gone wrong...

You mean the same De Gaulle and the same Churchill of the same 1930's France and Britain that constantly appeased Adolf Hitler in hopes of avoiding war?

While Leftists were in Spain fighting Nazis and Fascists all over the place?

That De Gaulle and that Churchill?

Lmao.

Churchill appeasing Hitler?

You've got your history all fucked up.

[Senkaku]

He didn't make that nuance, though. He said he would jail his Red enemies. You are adding nuance it afterwards for him.

I believe he also said he'd shoot PT supporters! Seems like a really fun dude lol

He lived tho (and since we're talking about Hitler parallels... )

The one good thing Hitler did...

...live?

Liri ultra-deep-cover cryptofashy confirmed

the inconvenient truth your ilk did more to cause WW2 than to end it

I mean, if you want to generally talk about leftists ending the war, rather than specifically restoring democracy, then I think the Red Army would like to have a word.

[Uxupox]

I think he means de Gaulle and Roosevelt which were rather authoritarian in their measures (Roosevelt himself skipping over the senate and congress on multiple occasions and De Gaulle being an "apprentice dictator").

Also, y'know, the whole Japanese internment thing.

that too.

[Liriena]

Over 31,000,000 abstentions....those could've turned the tide, and they show how abstention can be a bad thing in a situation like this.

I can't hate those who abstained, or even the genuine moderates who felt Bolsonaro's shittiness as a human being was more tolerable than political corruption... but I definitely do hope both groups won't get complacent and just let the fucker get away with everything.

[Torrocca]

You mean the same De Gaulle and the same Churchill of the same 1930's France and Britain that constantly appeased Adolf Hitler in hopes of avoiding war?

While Leftists were in Spain fighting Nazis and Fascists all over the place?

That De Gaulle and that Churchill?

Lmao.

Churchill appeasing Hitler?

You've got your history all fucked up.

I was saying France and Britain were appeasing Hitler while leftists in Spain were fighting him and his friends, to clarify. :^)