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Brazil Second Presidential N Paliament Elections 2018 Genral

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Brazil second round Presidential Elections Vote and Post

1 - We support Far Right Wing former army Captain Jair Bolsonaro and retired General Antonio Hamilton Mourão of the Far Right Wing Conservative Social Liberal Party of Brazil for President and Vice President of Brazil.
104
49%
2 - We support Fernando Haddad of the Far Leftist Workers Party of Brazil and Manuela D'avila of the Communist Party of Brazil, together we can win, for President and Vice President of Brazil.
73
34%
3 - We support neither candidates and we vote Blank Ballots, either candidates will be bad for Brazil and the Brazilian people.
37
17%
 
Total votes : 214

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:35 pm

NeuPolska wrote:
Torrocca wrote:You'd think someone who swore an oath to the United States constitution of all things would be aghast at the prospect of a Fascist being elected to office somewhere, but apparently not.

>Fascist

People love to throw that term around at anyone that disagrees with them. What I see here is a right winger who is willing to fix the problems Brazil has been facing for years now, and build Brazil into a functioning society.

The right wing is inherently better for the common man because things actually work under conservative policies. Anything run by the government, meaning everything under communism, is inefficient, prone to corruption (which is already crippling in Brazil), and provides services of much worse quality than what capitalism offers.

Weather or not he makes right on his promises remains to be seen
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Postby Liriena » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:36 pm

Thermodolia wrote:The right wing is inherently better for the common man because things actually work under conservative policies.

1929 and 2008 say hi, and they kindly ask that you stop parroting Dennis Prager's bullshit.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:37 pm

Liriena wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The right wing is inherently better for the common man because things actually work under conservative policies.

1929 and 2008 say hi, and they kindly ask that you stop parroting Dennis Prager's bullshit.

We should really get around to abolishing the Federal Reserve.
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Postby Rio Cana » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:38 pm

Pres. Maduro of Ven. congratulated the new Brazilian Pres. Bol. on his victory. Maduro also hoped that the diplomatic relations between both nations which Brazilian Pres. Temer broke off would be restored. They sent the new Brazilian Pres. a formal written communication on this matter.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:38 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Liriena wrote:1929 and 2008 say hi, and they kindly ask that you stop parroting Dennis Prager's bullshit.

We should really get around to abolishing the Federal Reserve.

Only if private property itself goes with it ;3
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Postby Liriena » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:39 pm

Rio Cana wrote:Pres. Maduro of Ven. congratulated the new Brazilian Pres. Bol. on his victory. Maduro also hoped that the diplomatic relations between both nations which Brazilian Pres. Temer broke off would be restored. They sent the new Brazilian Pres. a formal written communication on this matter.

Well, I hope Evo Morales tweets something dank.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:39 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Torrocca wrote:I'm certain you'll sleep well at night, though, knowing you. Anyone with an ounce of a look into the offsite locations you frequent knows full well you don't give a damn about liberty, anyway, you just give a damn about yourself. It's almost sickening, to be quite honest, that you combine such a blatant lack of principles with an utterly shitty facade of actually giving half a damn about any sort of liberty whatsoever. Parkus was right about you. You just give love to businessmen in hopes they'll notice you and bring you up to their elite status.

I suggest you to calm down and drink a cup of tea before taking baseless accusations that are borderline flaming


The funny thing is, is that these aren't baseless whatsoever. Nothing flaming about speaking the truth that you don't give a rat's ass about liberty though when the choice is between that and your personal gain. You've made that more than clear enough in your blatant support for some authoritarian cockweasel and his cronies in this election, though. Any look beyond Nationstates would just affirm the obvious truth of the matter. You're deliberately and more than willingly throwing women, the LGBTQ+, racial, ethnic, and religious minorities, and the impoverished right under the bus just for your own personal damn gain, because you have nothing in terms of actual principles, ideologically speaking. You just care about your own damn opportunity to be above everyone else and, in some cases, it's pretty clear you want specific groups to suffer for what they were born as. If you actually gave an inkling of a damn about liberty, you'd never have thrown support behind a bastard of a man who openly praises authoritarian regimes and wants to create one out of Brazil.
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Postby Uxupox » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:40 pm

Liriena wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:We should really get around to abolishing the Federal Reserve.

Only if private property itself goes with it ;3


why? some people worked hard for their house. why should it belong to the state.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:40 pm

Liriena wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:We should really get around to abolishing the Federal Reserve.

Only if private public property itself goes with it ;3

Perfection!
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:41 pm

Liriena wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The right wing is inherently better for the common man because things actually work under conservative policies.

1929 and 2008 say hi, and they kindly ask that you stop parroting Dennis Prager's bullshit.

1929 was caused by the Fed (admitted by Bernanke) and 2008 was caused by the Fed and the CRA, maybe you should track the macroeconomic theatre of both periods before parroting unfounded claims.
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Postby Germanic Templars » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:43 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:I suggest you to calm down and drink a cup of tea before taking baseless accusations that are borderline flaming


The funny thing is, is that these aren't baseless whatsoever. Nothing flaming about speaking the truth that you don't give a rat's ass about liberty though when the choice is between that and your personal gain. You've made that more than clear enough in your blatant support for some authoritarian cockweasel and his cronies in this election, though. Any look beyond Nationstates would just affirm the obvious truth of the matter. You're deliberately and more than willingly throwing women, the LGBTQ+, racial, ethnic, and religious minorities, and the impoverished right under the bus just for your own personal damn gain, because you have nothing in terms of actual principles, ideologically speaking. You just care about your own damn opportunity to be above everyone else and, in some cases, it's pretty clear you want specific groups to suffer for what they were born as. If you actually gave an inkling of a damn about liberty, you'd never have thrown support behind a bastard of a man who openly praises authoritarian regimes and wants to create one out of Brazil.


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Postby Liriena » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:44 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Liriena wrote:Only if private property itself goes with it ;3


why? some people worked hard for their house. why should it belong to the state.

Private property =/= personal property

You can keep your house. You can even keep your toothbrush.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:45 pm

Germanic Templars wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The funny thing is, is that these aren't baseless whatsoever. Nothing flaming about speaking the truth that you don't give a rat's ass about liberty though when the choice is between that and your personal gain. You've made that more than clear enough in your blatant support for some authoritarian cockweasel and his cronies in this election, though. Any look beyond Nationstates would just affirm the obvious truth of the matter. You're deliberately and more than willingly throwing women, the LGBTQ+, racial, ethnic, and religious minorities, and the impoverished right under the bus just for your own personal damn gain, because you have nothing in terms of actual principles, ideologically speaking. You just care about your own damn opportunity to be above everyone else and, in some cases, it's pretty clear you want specific groups to suffer for what they were born as. If you actually gave an inkling of a damn about liberty, you'd never have thrown support behind a bastard of a man who openly praises authoritarian regimes and wants to create one out of Brazil.


#MBGA - Make Brazil Great Again!

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:46 pm

Torrocca wrote:The funny thing is, is that these aren't baseless whatsoever. Nothing flaming about speaking the truth that you don't give a rat's ass about liberty though when the choice is between that and your personal gain.

Liberty naturally stems from individualism though

Torrocca wrote:You've made that more than clear enough in your blatant pragmatic support for some authoritarian cockweasel

ftfy


Torrocca wrote:and his cronies in this election, though.

You wanted me to ditch a candidate with cronies in favor of a candidate with even more cronies, including an ex-president arrested due to corruption? Hmmmm


Torrocca wrote:You just care about your own damn opportunity to be above everyone else and, in some cases, it's pretty clear you want specific groups to suffer for what they were born as.

Some context would be vital for this doubtful claim

Torrocca wrote:If you actually gave an inkling of a damn about liberty, you'd never have thrown support behind a bastard of a man who openly praises authoritarian regimes and wants to create one out of Brazil.

I supported our newly founded libertarian party in these elections, while pushing for Bolsonaro pragmatically in the second round due to the lack of any other good choice. This has been explained for long enough but you apparently insist to call me an enemy of the liberty for supporting authoritarians...
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Postby Liriena » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:46 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Liriena wrote:1929 and 2008 say hi, and they kindly ask that you stop parroting Dennis Prager's bullshit.

1929 was caused by the Fed (admitted by Bernanke) and 2008 was caused by the Fed and the CRA, maybe you should track the macroeconomic theatre of both periods before parroting unfounded claims.

The Fed and the CRA single-handedly destroyed the world economy twice? Them and nobody else? No other factors? No structural issues?

Damn, you make capitalism sound fragile as fuck.
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I am:
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Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:46 pm

Liriena wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
why? some people worked hard for their house. why should it belong to the state.

Private property =/= personal property

You can keep your house. You can even keep your toothbrush.

However, I did not build my house. Aren't the workers entitled to my house, as the product of their labor?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:47 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Only if private public property itself goes with it ;3

Perfection!

I do not look forward to toll booths on every street. Not at all. :/
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:47 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:I supported our newly founded libertarian party in these elections, while pushing for Bolsonaro pragmatically in the second round due to the lack of any other good choice. This has been explained for long enough but you apparently insist to call me an enemy of the liberty for supporting authoritarians...


Gee, maybe it has to do with the fucking fact that supporting authoritarianism is intrinsically anti-liberty?
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Postby Uxupox » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:48 pm

Liriena wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
why? some people worked hard for their house. why should it belong to the state.

Private property =/= personal property

You can keep your house. You can even keep your toothbrush.


my personal property is my private property.
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Postby Germanic Templars » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:49 pm

Liriena wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Perfection!

I do not look forward to toll booths on every street. Not at all. :/


Would be cool to see Dominoes pave that hole in my street though that the city hasn't gotten to in the last 2 years or so. :/

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Postby Liriena » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:49 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Private property =/= personal property

You can keep your house. You can even keep your toothbrush.

However, I did not build my house. Aren't the workers entitled to my house, as the product of their labor?

I'd make houses the exception because, y'know, people need a roof. So long as the workers have homes of their own, it's all good.

I do kinda like the idea of democratizing the Hamptoms, Beverly Hills and Midtown Manhattan tho. A nice bit of reverse gentrification. ;3
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I am:
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An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Virgolia » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:50 pm

Liriena wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:1929 was caused by the Fed (admitted by Bernanke) and 2008 was caused by the Fed and the CRA, maybe you should track the macroeconomic theatre of both periods before parroting unfounded claims.

The Fed and the CRA single-handedly destroyed the world economy twice? Them and nobody else? No other factors? No structural issues?

Damn, you make capitalism sound fragile as fuck.

Capitalism is far from perfect,but it's the best system we currently know.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:51 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Liriena wrote:Private property =/= personal property

You can keep your house. You can even keep your toothbrush.


my personal property is my private property.

Private property usually includes personal property, yeah, but the private property of the means of production does not fall under private property and it goes to the chopping block. Unless... I dunno... you have, like, a cute little gun shop or bakery where you are the only one working, I guess?
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I am:
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An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Liriena » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:52 pm

Virgolia wrote:
Liriena wrote:The Fed and the CRA single-handedly destroyed the world economy twice? Them and nobody else? No other factors? No structural issues?

Damn, you make capitalism sound fragile as fuck.

Capitalism is far from perfect,but it's the best system we currently know.

Doesn't mean we can't think of better alternatives, and try to implement them. As you said, it's far from perfect, so why should we settle forever?
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Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Ex-Nation

Postby Great Minarchistan » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:52 pm

Liriena wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:1929 was caused by the Fed (admitted by Bernanke) and 2008 was caused by the Fed and the CRA, maybe you should track the macroeconomic theatre of both periods before parroting unfounded claims.

The Fed and the CRA single-handedly destroyed the world economy twice? Them and nobody else? No other factors? No structural issues?

Damn, you make capitalism sound fragile as fuck.

"Destroying" is a severe overrating of the events (not so much for the G.D. though) but yes, credit cycles are arguably the most destructive weapon of an economy -- especially if you look at brazil, ironically. On structural terms, endogenous and long-run growth has been going pretty much around the same for the last centuries.
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