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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:55 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Geneviev wrote:JK Rowling hates the Harry Potter franchise?

We all hate JK Rowling. The author is dead.


The author is dead, long live the author.
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Postby Geneviev » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:55 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Geneviev wrote:JK Rowling hates the Harry Potter franchise?

We all hate JK Rowling. The author is dead.

I don't understand, but it's witchcraft anyways. Why do people hate JK Rowling so much?
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Pasong Tirad wrote:We all hate JK Rowling. The author is dead.

I don't understand, but it's witchcraft anyways. Why do people hate JK Rowling so much?


She can't stop worldbuilding, much to the world's detriment.
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Postby Heloin » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:55 pm

I liked the Lego Harry Potter stuff. And the stuff at Universal looked cool when I was dragged there.

Don't know what any of the stuff is about though.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:56 pm

Yesterday an acquaintance of mine introduced me to a very err... interesting... Japanese food show. It reminded me of the previous TET conversation on "sexy food hill."

In every single episode (and believe it or not, there's 7 seasons of this, over 80 episodes) a Japanese businessman starts the episode by doing something random in a part of the city (say for example, he's negotiating a business deal or talking heart-to-heart with some youngsters in a karate gym).

Then he'll walk around and stand still... 3 cartoonish sounds are made to indicate that HE'S HUNGRY.

The previous "plot" will be abandoned and then he'll go to a restaurant (a real life restaurant that exists) where he will sit down and order all types of foods from the restaurant. For 20+ minutes nothing happens except him eating and ordering more food. He has the same pleased, interested, and satisfied expression on his face as he keeps ordering and eating.

My acquaintance (who has watched all 7 seasons of this) tells me that when he sits down at the restaurant there is a special up-beat music that starts playing about 10 minutes in to tell the audience that "we are 50% of the way done with the episode." You see? There is a System.

Then at about 15 minutes a new "plot development" will happen which will spur the businessman protagonist to eat even more aggressively. Sometimes its because someone next to him is eating more than him or he's noticed a "special deal" just now. At this point, this super upbeat jazz + cowboy music theme will play. And he will eat very very fast. After he's done, he'll order maybe 1-2 more things, he will be shown eating them, then he will leave after paying.

Then the credits will roll and we will see his boss/superior (every single episode), go in the same restaurant and order 1-3 more dishes, eating them as he chats with the waiters

...

Believe it or not, there's 7 seasons following this exact formula. It's not a documentary and I don't see it as plot driven so... what the hell is this? An immersive restaurant introduction show? But who wants to watch someone eat for 20 minutes????? And why the "three sounds indicating I'M HUNGRY signals"?

I was confused

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Postby The Free Joy State » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:56 pm

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Kannap wrote:Does anybody hate the Harry Potter franchise more than J.K. Rowling hates the Harry Potter franchise?

JK Rowling hates the Harry Potter franchise?

It seems that a lot of authors do grow to hate their own creation.

Agatha Christie could never stand Poirot, apparently. She always wanted to kill him off, but he was too popular.
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Postby Geneviev » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:57 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Geneviev wrote:I don't understand, but it's witchcraft anyways. Why do people hate JK Rowling so much?


She can't stop worldbuilding, much to the world's detriment.

That's... very disappointing.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:59 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:We all hate JK Rowling. The author is dead.

I don't understand, but it's witchcraft anyways. Why do people hate JK Rowling so much?


I dislike the way she handled the ending to the main HP series

and then there is the unecessary "ret-conning" of major facts

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Postby Geneviev » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:05 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Geneviev wrote:I don't understand, but it's witchcraft anyways. Why do people hate JK Rowling so much?


I dislike the way she handled the ending to the main HP series

and then there is the unecessary "ret-conning" of major facts

How did she ruin the series so much that people don't like her at all? It seems a bit exaggerated.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:12 pm

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Infected Mushroom wrote:
I dislike the way she handled the ending to the main HP series

and then there is the unecessary "ret-conning" of major facts

How did she ruin the series so much that people don't like her at all? It seems a bit exaggerated.


To be fair it is, but the screenplays she's authored aren't exactly good nor is the stageplay with her name on it.
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:13 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Yesterday an acquaintance of mine introduced me to a very err... interesting... Japanese food show. It reminded me of the previous TET conversation on "sexy food hill."

In every single episode (and believe it or not, there's 7 seasons of this, over 80 episodes) a Japanese businessman starts the episode by doing something random in a part of the city (say for example, he's negotiating a business deal or talking heart-to-heart with some youngsters in a karate gym).

Then he'll walk around and stand still... 3 cartoonish sounds are made to indicate that HE'S HUNGRY.

The previous "plot" will be abandoned and then he'll go to a restaurant (a real life restaurant that exists) where he will sit down and order all types of foods from the restaurant. For 20+ minutes nothing happens except him eating and ordering more food. He has the same pleased, interested, and satisfied expression on his face as he keeps ordering and eating.

My acquaintance (who has watched all 7 seasons of this) tells me that when he sits down at the restaurant there is a special up-beat music that starts playing about 10 minutes in to tell the audience that "we are 50% of the way done with the episode." You see? There is a System.

Then at about 15 minutes a new "plot development" will happen which will spur the businessman protagonist to eat even more aggressively. Sometimes its because someone next to him is eating more than him or he's noticed a "special deal" just now. At this point, this super upbeat jazz + cowboy music theme will play. And he will eat very very fast. After he's done, he'll order maybe 1-2 more things, he will be shown eating them, then he will leave after paying.

Then the credits will roll and we will see his boss/superior (every single episode), go in the same restaurant and order 1-3 more dishes, eating them as he chats with the waiters

...

Believe it or not, there's 7 seasons following this exact formula. It's not a documentary and I don't see it as plot driven so... what the hell is this? An immersive restaurant introduction show? But who wants to watch someone eat for 20 minutes????? And why the "three sounds indicating I'M HUNGRY signals"?

I was confused


Reminds me of a show my parents told me about that was on local TV in Kentucky in the 1980s. Two guys were sitting on their porch with some chicken wings. One of them explained that they were not going to do anything except sit there and eat chicken, and then they sat there and ate chicken.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:18 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:We all hate JK Rowling. The author is dead.

I don't understand, but it's witchcraft anyways. Why do people hate JK Rowling so much?

"Death of the Author" is the sentiment that whatever the author has written in the text - that's it. That's all there is. Any kind of worldbuilding outside of that does not exist and is not the ownership of the original author. Basically the opposite of authorial intent. What JK Rowling has done is taken all the gaps in our Harry Potter knowledge and fills them in with whatever is going to keep her relevant and keep her milking that billion-dollar cash cow. So, the original seven books (plus the three or so other books that expanded a bit on the HP Lore) and eight movies? Great. Very great. All that itty bitty trivia about this or that apparently being canon? Yeah fuck that.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:20 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Yesterday an acquaintance of mine introduced me to a very err... interesting... Japanese food show. It reminded me of the previous TET conversation on "sexy food hill."

In every single episode (and believe it or not, there's 7 seasons of this, over 80 episodes) a Japanese businessman starts the episode by doing something random in a part of the city (say for example, he's negotiating a business deal or talking heart-to-heart with some youngsters in a karate gym).

Then he'll walk around and stand still... 3 cartoonish sounds are made to indicate that HE'S HUNGRY.

The previous "plot" will be abandoned and then he'll go to a restaurant (a real life restaurant that exists) where he will sit down and order all types of foods from the restaurant. For 20+ minutes nothing happens except him eating and ordering more food. He has the same pleased, interested, and satisfied expression on his face as he keeps ordering and eating.

My acquaintance (who has watched all 7 seasons of this) tells me that when he sits down at the restaurant there is a special up-beat music that starts playing about 10 minutes in to tell the audience that "we are 50% of the way done with the episode." You see? There is a System.

Then at about 15 minutes a new "plot development" will happen which will spur the businessman protagonist to eat even more aggressively. Sometimes its because someone next to him is eating more than him or he's noticed a "special deal" just now. At this point, this super upbeat jazz + cowboy music theme will play. And he will eat very very fast. After he's done, he'll order maybe 1-2 more things, he will be shown eating them, then he will leave after paying.

Then the credits will roll and we will see his boss/superior (every single episode), go in the same restaurant and order 1-3 more dishes, eating them as he chats with the waiters

...

Believe it or not, there's 7 seasons following this exact formula. It's not a documentary and I don't see it as plot driven so... what the hell is this? An immersive restaurant introduction show? But who wants to watch someone eat for 20 minutes????? And why the "three sounds indicating I'M HUNGRY signals"?

I was confused


Reminds me of a show my parents told me about that was on local TV in Kentucky in the 1980s. Two guys were sitting on their porch with some chicken wings. One of them explained that they were not going to do anything except sit there and eat chicken, and then they sat there and ate chicken.

... And I thought the weirdest "how did this ever make it to air" show on local TV was a man in a car driving through the local city streets. Not talking about anything, just "turning onto X road now".

It's still on regularly for an hour at a time.

It worries me that people might watch.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:22 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
Reminds me of a show my parents told me about that was on local TV in Kentucky in the 1980s. Two guys were sitting on their porch with some chicken wings. One of them explained that they were not going to do anything except sit there and eat chicken, and then they sat there and ate chicken.

... And I thought the weirdest "how did this ever make it to air" show on local TV was a man in a car driving through the local city streets. Not talking about anything, just "turning onto X road now".

It's still on regularly for an hour at a time.

It worries me that people might watch.

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Postby The Free Joy State » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:25 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:... And I thought the weirdest "how did this ever make it to air" show on local TV was a man in a car driving through the local city streets. Not talking about anything, just "turning onto X road now".

It's still on regularly for an hour at a time.

It worries me that people might watch.

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Or -- in this case, sadly -- the UK...
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:26 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
Geneviev wrote:JK Rowling hates the Harry Potter franchise?

It seems that a lot of authors do grow to hate their own creation.

Agatha Christie could never stand Poirot, apparently. She always wanted to kill him off, but he was too popular.


I can see getting tired of everyone wanting you to keep writing for the same series.

My dad is a writer, and he's never had anything anywhere near Harry Potter levels of popularity, but he still got a little annoyed when he was doing crowd-funded online serials and a lot of his fans turned out to only be interested in one particular series. If he tried to write other stuff he got way less money, and fans would ask him when he was going to write more of their favorite series.
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Postby Geneviev » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:26 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Geneviev wrote:I don't understand, but it's witchcraft anyways. Why do people hate JK Rowling so much?

"Death of the Author" is the sentiment that whatever the author has written in the text - that's it. That's all there is. Any kind of worldbuilding outside of that does not exist and is not the ownership of the original author. Basically the opposite of authorial intent. What JK Rowling has done is taken all the gaps in our Harry Potter knowledge and fills them in with whatever is going to keep her relevant and keep her milking that billion-dollar cash cow. So, the original seven books (plus the three or so other books that expanded a bit on the HP Lore) and eight movies? Great. Very great. All that itty bitty trivia about this or that apparently being canon? Yeah fuck that.

Wait, there's more than seven books? :blink:

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Reminds me of a show my parents told me about that was on local TV in Kentucky in the 1980s. Two guys were sitting on their porch with some chicken wings. One of them explained that they were not going to do anything except sit there and eat chicken, and then they sat there and ate chicken.

... And I thought the weirdest "how did this ever make it to air" show on local TV was a man in a car driving through the local city streets. Not talking about anything, just "turning onto X road now".

It's still on regularly for an hour at a time.

It worries me that people might watch.

That sounds incredibly boring, I would almost watch it. It's better than what Germany has. :lol2:
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Postby Kannap » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:30 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Kannap wrote:Does anybody hate the Harry Potter franchise more than J.K. Rowling hates the Harry Potter franchise?

JK Rowling hates the Harry Potter franchise?


With the sheer amount of retcons and adding literal shit as canon, it's like she's trying to beat it to death and intentionally get on everybody's bad side.
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:31 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:"Death of the Author" is the sentiment that whatever the author has written in the text - that's it. That's all there is. Any kind of worldbuilding outside of that does not exist and is not the ownership of the original author. Basically the opposite of authorial intent. What JK Rowling has done is taken all the gaps in our Harry Potter knowledge and fills them in with whatever is going to keep her relevant and keep her milking that billion-dollar cash cow. So, the original seven books (plus the three or so other books that expanded a bit on the HP Lore) and eight movies? Great. Very great. All that itty bitty trivia about this or that apparently being canon? Yeah fuck that.

Wait, there's more than seven books? :blink:


I stopped paying attention after the original 7 books. I enjoyed reading those when they came out, and I saw the first couple of movies, but I don't need to obsess over everything that comes out just because it is Harry Potter-related.
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Postby Kannap » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:32 pm

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Kannap wrote:Does anybody hate the Harry Potter franchise more than J.K. Rowling hates the Harry Potter franchise?

Her saying that wizards used to, uh, defecate themselves, is the most baffling thing ever done on the face of our planet.


It only gets better when you realize the vanishing spell is a difficult enough level that wizards don't learn it until their fourth year of school. So who's cleaning their messes for them for the first 13 years of their lives?
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:33 pm

Kannap wrote:
Geneviev wrote:JK Rowling hates the Harry Potter franchise?


With the sheer amount of retcons and adding literal shit as canon, it's like she's trying to beat it to death and intentionally get on everybody's bad side.


It sometimes seems like fame has gone to her head and she's gotten too self-important. Which is too bad.
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Postby Kannap » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:33 pm

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Abserdia wrote:Her saying that wizards used to, uh, defecate themselves, is the most baffling thing ever done on the face of our planet.


Wait, why the fuck would she say that?


Because before plumbing existed, people just shat themselves and magically willed it to disappear.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:34 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Wait, there's more than seven books? :blink:


I stopped paying attention after the original 7 books. I enjoyed reading those when they came out, and I saw the first couple of movies, but I don't need to obsess over everything that comes out just because it is Harry Potter-related.

The ones I'm talking about are the original Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, Quidditch Through the Ages, and the Tales of Beedle the Bard. There's another, I think, but those 3 are all that I actually read.
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:35 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
I stopped paying attention after the original 7 books. I enjoyed reading those when they came out, and I saw the first couple of movies, but I don't need to obsess over everything that comes out just because it is Harry Potter-related.

The ones I'm talking about are the original Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, Quidditch Through the Ages, and the Tales of Beedle the Bard. There's another, I think, but those 3 are all that I actually read.


I've never had any desire to read those.
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Postby Geneviev » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:36 pm

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Wait, why the fuck would she say that?


Because before plumbing existed, people just shat themselves and magically willed it to disappear.

Did she really say that?
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